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Ark silva
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.12.02 21:19:00 -
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Ark Silva
Well, I have a few plans on what to do with my points, but I would like opinions about other important skills I should train asap! Thank you!
(I am currently training all armor compensations to 5, so I might use points for those or just use my points for much longer skills)
I am using points for these skills at 100% certainty!
Combat Drone Operation to 5 Drone Durability to 5 Drone Interfacing to 5 Drone Navigation to 5 Drone Sharpshooting to 5
Gallente Cruiser to 5 Gallente Industrial to 5
The rest is up in the air and I am not sure what I want/should do. I am kinda thinking of maybe taking Advanced Spaceship Command to 5, but I don't know. I also would not mind having Marauders at 5, but I do not know if I would enjoy that ship more than my Navy Domi doing level 4s. The Domi is SO SLOW!. Anyway, thank you for any response/opinions!
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jerichot
Cutish Brunts
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Posted - 2010.12.02 21:52:00 -
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What are you doing mostly : PVP or PVE
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Ark silva
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.12.02 22:22:00 -
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PvE Only atm, but I eventually want to join a corp and do more in 0.0/WH space, but that is not a main priority right now.
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Tandin
The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ark silva
PvE Only atm, but I eventually want to join a corp and do more in 0.0/WH space, but that is not a main priority right now.
When is your next remap and how do you plan to adjust. If it's soon, focus the points on skills that are NOT your new primary/secondary (i.e. if you remap to int/mem, do perc/will) If you don't have one coming up soon, I'd fill out int/mem support skills since you're currently perc/will spec'd. This is INSTEAD of gallente cruiser 5/industrial 5.
The reason is simple: You'll end up spending more time training up those skills later than you would if you focused your training on the spaceship skills and insta-boost the int/mem skills.
It's a short term gratification vs long term benefit thing and could save several days/weeks on your overall training.
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Sergiiy Kortos
J5 Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:21:00 -
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Hey Ark,
Congrats on perfect learning :)
if i were you i'd get drone interfacing to V, leadership skills to V and navigation to V.
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FemmeBot Alpha
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:52:00 -
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Wow...can you really get all those skills to V AND Marauders too? I have somewhere between 2.1-2.3 mil learning SPs and I can't even get Marauders to V with one click so i can't imagine getting 7 more lvl Vs with the balance. Maybe I need to double check my math.
Anyway, my advice has a different slant....well two slants.
1. Decide what you really want for your toon. What's your 3-month goal? It sounds like your goal might be to burn through Lvl 4s more quickly since that's pretty much every PvEer's goal. You're helping that with your drones skills surely, so perhaps taking Caldari BS to V so you could fly a Rattlesnake is in order. Otherwise, focus on any skill that gives DPS and Tank, then decide what your secondary focus is.
The other slant is just the opposite really. Now is a good time to build a whole new skillset with one click, something you may not have wanted to invest time on previously..... like exploration or datacore invention.
In the end, I suggest you don't look at it as "what skills do I want" but "what goals do I want to fulfill" then pick the skills accordingly. It's a fine line of thinking that makes all the difference.
Don't know if that helps or not, but it's not a repeat of previous suggestions.
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Ark silva
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.12.03 02:39:00 -
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Thanks for all the awesome replies. First, I think we all get a free remap on the 14th don't we? I might have read it incorrectly though? If we do get one, I was thinking of maybe going to a more evenly distributed stat allocation. I planned on training more ships, but then I decided on other stuff first, so that kinda slowed down my training I think. I am training all the armor compensations to level 5 right now which is NOT perception so that annoyed me for sure. I think since I still have so much to train that just going evenly distribute the stats (minus charisma which I will lower as much as I can)
TO Sergiiy Kortos: if you read this again, why should I train Leadership skills? I did not expect to see this, so I am curious why you think I should? Thank you for your post! I hope to hear more from you! I will definitely train drone interfacing to V and my navigation was already V, did you mean another skill? Or did you mean the actual navigation skill tree and get most of those to V.
Actually, I am not sure how much all the skills I wanted actually cost, so I don't know if I could do all those + Marauders 5 (most likely not lol)
I have thought many times about getting a Rattlesnake, but it would take forever to get all the appropriate missile skills to go with it wouldn't it? Also, aren't you supposed to shield tank a rattle? Doesn't it give shield bonus? So I would also have to train up all the shields to be optimal?
I really like the idea of exploration so that will be an option! I will do as you suggested and try to think very hard about what goals I want to accomplish! That is very good advice1 Thank you!
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.03 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ark silva Ark Silva
Well, I have a few plans on what to do with my points, but I would like opinions about other important skills I should train asap! Thank you!
(I am currently training all armor compensations to 5, so I might use points for those or just use my points for much longer skills)
I am using points for these skills at 100% certainty!
Combat Drone Operation to 5 Drone Durability to 5 Drone Interfacing to 5 Drone Navigation to 5 Drone Sharpshooting to 5
Gallente Cruiser to 5 Gallente Industrial to 5
The rest is up in the air and I am not sure what I want/should do. I am kinda thinking of maybe taking Advanced Spaceship Command to 5, but I don't know. I also would not mind having Marauders at 5, but I do not know if I would enjoy that ship more than my Navy Domi doing level 4s. The Domi is SO SLOW!. Anyway, thank you for any response/opinions!
Looks like you might be a bit too optimistic with regard to getting all those skills to lv 5, even with your 5.3 mil redistributable SP.
Anyway, consider spending them on things you'll likely never remap towards; which, for most people, means something with Charisma in it. :) For instance, I'll use part of my SP towards Leadership V (Charisma + Willpower) and Warfare Link Specialist IV (Charisma + Willpower), so I can fly a Command Ship. And Mining Foreman V and Mining Director V (Charisma + Willpower), for the Orca. I'd be otherwise training those skills at a dismal 2017 sp/h!
Applying my SP batch towards these kind of skills, I'll save weeks training time! And that is how you really recoup the 72 sp/h loss. --
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Ark silva
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.12.03 03:05:00 -
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Ohh, I see, thanks! That is why he probably said to train leadership skills. They are charisma skills, so that makes sense.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.03 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ark silva Thanks for all the awesome replies. First, I think we all get a free remap on the 14th don't we? I might have read it incorrectly though?
Yes, you read incorrectly. :) That idea is off the table again.
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If we do get one, I was thinking of maybe going to a more evenly distributed stat allocation. I planned on training more ships, but then I decided on other stuff first, so that kinda slowed down my training I think. I am training all the armor compensations to level 5 right now which is NOT perception so that annoyed me for sure. I think since I still have so much to train that just going evenly distribute the stats (minus charisma which I will lower as much as I can)
TO Sergiiy Kortos: if you read this again, why should I train Leadership skills? I did not expect to see this, so I am curious why you think I should? Thank you for your post! I hope to hear more from you! I will definitely train drone interfacing to V and my navigation was already V, did you mean another skill? Or did you mean the actual navigation skill tree and get most of those to V.
Actually, I am not sure how much all the skills I wanted actually cost, so I don't know if I could do all those + Marauders 5 (most likely not lol)
I have thought many times about getting a Rattlesnake, but it would take forever to get all the appropriate missile skills to go with it wouldn't it? Also, aren't you supposed to shield tank a rattle? Doesn't it give shield bonus? So I would also have to train up all the shields to be optimal?
I really like the idea of exploration so that will be an option! I will do as you suggested and try to think very hard about what goals I want to accomplish! That is very good advice1 Thank you!
Okay, now you're drooling all over the board, thinking of anything and everything you might get. :P Understandable, but try and keep your goals moderately foreseeable.
Also, when you're figuring out, real hard, what goals you want to accomplish, be sure not to fall into the trap of going for a short-tem goal, because you're likely already mapped for short-term skills (as in in a yearplan); so applying your SP batch towards those skills would gain you nothing. Take a longer view (maybe next year, or the year thereafter), and determine what skills you'll eventually definitely want, but will likely never remap for (see my above post). Then apply your SP towards those skills. --
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Ark silva
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.12.03 03:15:00 -
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Yes, I am drooling over my free points, so I wanted other people to help me with some logical paths to choose I am like a little child on xmas morning lol. Thanks for all the help and replies! It has been VERY helpful.
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2010.12.03 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ark silva PvE Only atm
I'd take the opportunity to train your military/political connections and negotiation skills to 5 if you are running alot of missions. More ISK/LP per mission is always helpful.
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Missy Sasha
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Posted - 2010.12.03 07:50:00 -
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I'm really enjoying my crosstraining to lasers. I'm a caldari missile boat with mostly level 4 gun/ship skills for amarr.
I would get t3 or a different race of t3 or getting gank skills. Doing missions faster is fun. Variety is fun.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.03 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Missy Sasha I'm really enjoying my crosstraining to lasers. I'm a caldari missile boat with mostly level 4 gun/ship skills for amarr.
I would get t3 or a different race of t3 or getting gank skills. Doing missions faster is fun. Variety is fun.
Crosstraining, indeed, might be another way to go. But training lasers would still be along the Perc + Will lines (so nothing gained from the action). The Ark guy above said he also maybe wanted to fly a Rattlesnake; that's a typical boat that needs both Caldari and Gallente stuff (shields + missiles for Caldari; and hefty drone skills for Gallente).
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.12.03 16:12:00 -
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If your maxing drone skills and going for gal crusier 5 , you might wanna think about hac skills if you dont have them allready.
Ishtar is a beast of a PvE ship with maxed drones.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.12.03 16:49:00 -
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Put them on the bed...
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oiyun
Tleilex Research
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Posted - 2010.12.03 17:10:00 -
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I'm training the skills that will open the most doors for me, which for me means Cruiser V.
My leftover points will be saved until I need something right away. I recommend this if you don't know. Simply sit on your points until you hit a situation where you need something right away. Spend your points on that.
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Chakarr
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Posted - 2010.12.03 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Chakarr on 03/12/2010 18:23:54 I am in pretty much the same position as you (in fact you are almost skill for skill the Gallente version of me -5mil SPs lol), although I never trained perception V...
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I think the advice of put the points into whatever you are not specced to is the best.
I have a remap available too, which only makes it harder - do I dump the 4.7mil into ships then remap int/mem and finish out support skills OR stay perc/will mapped & possibly crosstrain Amarr or Gallente (although part of me loves the pure Minny spec of this guy, just like the pure Gallente of yours) and use the points dump to level V all the supports I would probably need for the next year...OR I could inject a load of cha skills and do leadership/social skills and decide on the remap later...
Good luck deciding, I haven't got a clue ATM!
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2010.12.03 19:23:00 -
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Your current remap (whoever it is) is based around things that you have decided you really want NOW, or soon anyway. Getting them out of the way is another aproach at looking towards the future in some respects.
Finishing off a current remap is the fastest way to get to the next remap. So I'm just saying, don't feel dumb if you pick things that aren't "best return for the SP".
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.12.03 20:15:00 -
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I've considered perfecting my shield skills, (pretty small price i'm almost there) perfecting my missile support skills (almost there, but those last ones are very expensive skills), my ew skills, or gunnery support skills. Or perfecting armor skills, amazingly easy considering I've never put any points in them before, Armor is just musch less skill intensive than shields I guess. I've never taken Battleships to V or Battlecruisers so I've thought of doing that for both of them, make my awesome drake awesomer and make an awesome raven to use in Incursions next month. Armor and gunnery skills are just ground work for cross training to another races ships. Advance Weapons Upgrades V has been on the back burner for quite a while too, be a good time to finish that out. I didn't quite max my learning skills left the last 2 levels of the second charisma skill off so I have a little over 4,600,000 sp's to redistribute, I won't be able to get everything I want so its not going to be easy.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.03 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zyress I've considered perfecting my shield skills, (pretty small price i'm almost there) perfecting my missile support skills (almost there, but those last ones are very expensive skills), my ew skills, or gunnery support skills. Or perfecting armor skills, amazingly easy considering I've never put any points in them before, Armor is just musch less skill intensive than shields I guess. I've never taken Battleships to V or Battlecruisers so I've thought of doing that for both of them, make my awesome drake awesomer and make an awesome raven to use in Incursions next month. Armor and gunnery skills are just ground work for cross training to another races ships. Advance Weapons Upgrades V has been on the back burner for quite a while too, be a good time to finish that out. I didn't quite max my learning skills left the last 2 levels of the second charisma skill off so I have a little over 4,600,000 sp's to redistribute, I won't be able to get everything I want so its not going to be easy.
I've never heard of someone saying they regretted training BC V, and I can tell you from personal experience that getting AWU V opens up some really nice fitting options. If you're INT/MEM specced at the moment, then I'd unhesitatingly recommend those two.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.04 11:11:00 -
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Same boat here : Cross trained
I am likely going to finish up drones and navigation skills, and maybe work into getting some of my tanking skills up (not sure yet on maybe working into heavy dictors or command ships)
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Ark silva
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.12.12 20:11:00 -
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Thanks everyone for all the great ideas! It is really nice seeing everyone talk and contribute! This post definitely made me realize that training skills that I am currently spec'd toward training faster would not be the wisest course of action. That alone has helped me greatly. Thank you all!
(Thankfully drones are not Perc/Wp so I can still train those at least YAY!)
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Cornwalace
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Posted - 2010.12.13 02:03:00 -
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This thread is very helpful. Are there any other recommendations, other than applying them to skills that are not attributed for?
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Mael Sechnaill
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Posted - 2010.12.13 06:07:00 -
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Well, just start the skill list from above, drop the points in that odred until they are all used up. You can't beat the simplicity of this. . |
Scirocca
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Posted - 2010.12.13 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Scirocca on 13/12/2010 21:46:15 I'd second/third etc the idea of going for your weakest attribute and dumping them there. As a mission runner as well, I'm looking hard at those connections skills, along with negotiation etc. Having said that, if someone can pick a better place for my 1.6mill points, I'd be glad to hear it.
myskills
posted with wrong character
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Bill Alt
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Posted - 2010.12.13 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bill Alt on 13/12/2010 22:40:59 I will be spending mine based on the skill groups that are least efficient to remap for. Drones, for example, are the only group that benefits from a combination of high Memory and Perception. Leadership and Trade are the next two groups where remapping gets you the least bang for the buck.
So, I'll spend my points on Drones, and keep my attributes mapped for say, Intelligence and Memory, which gives me the flexibility for high training rates in Electronics, Engineering, Industry, Mechanic, and Science, or focus on Perception and Willpower for Gunnery, Missiles, Science, and Spaceship Command.
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Trust Doesn't Rust Supremacy.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ark silva Edited by: Ark silva on 12/12/2010 20:12:03 Ark Silva
Well, I have a few plans on what to do with my points, but I would like opinions about other important skills I should train asap! Thank you!
(I am currently training all armor compensations to 5, so I might use points for those or just use my points for much longer skills)
I am using points for these skills at 100% certainty!
Combat Drone Operation to 5 Drone Durability to 5 Drone Interfacing to 5 Drone Navigation to 5 Drone Sharpshooting to 5
The rest is up in the air and I am not sure what I want/should do. I am kinda thinking of maybe taking Advanced Spaceship Command to 5, but I don't know. I also would not mind having Marauders at 5, but I do not know if I would enjoy that ship more than my Navy Domi doing level 4s. The Domi is SO SLOW!. Anyway, thank you for any response/opinions!
5.3m SP? I hate you!
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.15 15:11:00 -
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Save some SP and leave Drone Durability and Navigation at IV...
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