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Alun Hughes
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fi1ippo And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases.
Im sure you would have experince...ya know from when you spoke the the isk farmer you bought isk from. |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fi1ippo
1. I am still not familiar with contracts as of yet, i was just told that its a common way to give money and items. 2. Not backing down, just wont be posting any more stuff that may get this locked.
No idiot transfer money through contracts when it's easier to to right-click > Give money. If the benefactor is the genuine article, he would at the very least : a) Right-click give money b) Contract all valuable items to you at 0 isk. Emphasis on valuable, not 1 mexallon unit.
Despite not being familiar with contracts, you seem awfully familiar with the EVE forum. <Red Flag>
And finally, if some random guy gave you items/isk and it gets taken away, you've lost nothing - hence there should be no need to post this drama on GD .... which you did .... which means you've lost something. <Red Flag>
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alun Hughes
Originally by: Fi1ippo And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases.
Im sure you would have experince...ya know from when you spoke the the isk farmer you bought isk from.
you would be talking to the broker not to the farmer.
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
And finally, if some random guy gave you items/isk and it gets taken away, you've lost nothing - hence there should be no need to post this drama on GD .... which you did .... which means you've lost something. <Red Flag>
Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Guy on 02/12/2010 23:32:27
Originally by: stoicfaux Let's be honest and realistic. Anyone who gives away all their stuff to a complete n00b stranger is a nice person.
There are no nice people in Eve.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!
Well I once gave 2 billion to a guy who was new, but at that time it was just toy money to me (no PLEX at the time). Then deleted the character also gave him the best part of a billion in goods.
Still no regrets, it's only a game after all. Point I'm making here of course is genuine transactions take place without the person giving, receiving anything other than a thank you.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alun Hughes
Originally by: Fi1ippo And what gold farmer/ISK farmer actually speaks understandable English in coherant sentances. Uusally its just one or two word phrases.
Im sure you would have experince...ya know from when you spoke the the isk farmer you bought isk from.
Also, since the OP has apparent detailed knowledge of how RMT transactions work, he should know that S.O.P. is selling a low value item for the large sum of gold/plat/isk in any game. It creates a paper trail for them to turn-in at the end of their shift.
KB
BTW...it's also a well-known fact that most RMTers are Canadians. French Canadiennes, to be specific.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:32:00 -
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I'm not really sure what flags a person as an isk buyer, but what I can say is that I have billions coming and going from this toon all the time (sometimes buying expensive things, sometimes from market orders, sometimes me just giving isk to corp mates or whatever) and have never been accused of isk selling/buying. I've been playing for a while, yet there are a great many capsuleers out there who would think my wallet and market presence are a joke. EvE has players that have hundreds of billions of isk in their wallets doing market and indy smack I'll never understand which inherently requires huge sums of isk to go all over the place on a daily basis. They aren't getting accused of isk buying either. I guess my thought here is that there must be something going on that you haven't mentioned that resulted in your having been flagged. |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tyber Zaan
Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions.
Yes, we all know that. As people say, easy come, easy go. ... but check the OP out :
Originally by: Fi1ippo
"I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold."
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GM Horse
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: GM Horse on 02/12/2010 23:39:53
Originally by: Tyber Zaan Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions.
This is incorrect. We only remove the amount that was purchased. No additional ISK is removed. Note however that repeated or severe ISK buying will result in a ban being placed against all of the offender's accounts.
As for the OP, if you are dissatisfied with the handling of your petition or disagree with the GM's verdict, please ask for the petition to be escalated to a Senior Gamemaster for review. If you haven't already filed a petition, please do so. We can unfortunately offer no assistance through the forums.
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ILikeMarkets
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gogela I guess my thought here is that there must be something going on that you haven't mentioned that resulted in your having been flagged.
Yea- that the person who "donated" this isk had their IP or account flagged as being an isk seller and CCP is banning anyone they "donate" isk to.
This must be his first time getting caught in a game, because once you realize the methods used to catch folks who do RMT, you realize that coming to forums and whining and feigning ignorance simply doesn't work.
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Ganagati
Caldari Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: GM Horse Edited by: GM Horse on 02/12/2010 23:39:53
Originally by: Tyber Zaan Actually, the punishment for isk buying is a negative wallet, usually in the negative billions.
This is incorrect. We only remove the amount that was purchased. No additional ISK is removed. Note however that repeated or severe ISK buying will result in a ban being placed against all of the offender's accounts.
As for the OP, if you are dissatisfied with the handling of your petition or disagree with the GM's verdict, please ask for the petition to be escalated to a Senior Gamemaster for review. If you haven't already filed a petition, please do so. We can unfortunately offer no assistance through the forums.
How come some of you guys come up blue and some come up red?
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:45:00 -
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GMs are red, Devs are blue Given teh chance I'd RMT too.
(not)
[html]http://skilltrainingcomplete.com/users/flair/1417.html[/html] |
gfldex
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:45:00 -
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Some strager is offering candy.
Do you take it?(y/n)
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Ganagati
Caldari Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain
Given teh chance I'd RMT too
It's called PLEX >_>
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 02/12/2010 23:49:17 Bah. Beaten by ages by the GMà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 02/12/2010 23:51:33
Originally by: Ganagati How come some of you guys come up blue and some come up red?
GM Dev Chribba
P.S. Horse, I hope you make an equally amusing face with the new character creator.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Sorlac
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
Originally by: Fi1ippo
Despite not being familiar with contracts, you seem awfully familiar with the EVE forum. <Red Flag>
I'm honestly confused on what one has to do with the other in this statement. I've lurked on these forums for a few years now and have no idea how the contract system works in game (never had to use it so haven't bothered with it).
So how exactly is being familiar with the forums and not being familiar with the contract system a red flag?
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fi1ippo The chat log
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Channel ID: -16711280 Channel Name: Private Chat (Paisan) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.12.01 23:32:20 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2010.12.01 23:32:26 ] Paisan > hey [ 2010.12.01 23:32:40 ] Fi1ippo > hi [ 2010.12.01 23:32:45 ] Paisan > just as i promsied, here is the money. this game is just taking up too much time [ 2010.12.01 23:32:47 ] Fi1ippo > ty, yeah i understand, i was playing warcraft before this. [ 2010.12.01 23:33:55 ] Paisan > yeah, its just time to move on. Good luck bud [ 2010.12.01 23:34:20 ] Fi1ippo > K so we're good? Thanks man, thanks for everything
And a message from his cash cow..just like in other mmos, when you have a bank to store money.
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Channel ID: -16366126 Channel Name: Private Chat (TheVault007) Listener: Fi1ippo Session started: 2010.11.20 20:36:10 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2010.11.20 20:36:19 ] TheVault007 > sry, was the wrong character [ 2010.11.20 20:36:22 ] TheVault007 > my bad [ 2010.11.20 20:36:29 ] Fi1ippo > ok [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept [ 2010.11.20 20:36:56 ] TheVault007 > Mexallon [ 2010.11.20 20:37:03 ] TheVault007 > this should be right [ 2010.11.20 20:37:15 ] TheVault007 > ty ill be back in a few days, couple weeks tops to get you the rest [ 2010.11.20 20:37:21 ] Fi1ippo > yea its right, thanks. Alright thanks, no rush at all im just glad i was lucky enough to message you in time lol
If the ISK was purchased by himthen thats what they should say, I didnt purchase it, but i did accept this trade which was made without any forms of real money.
Your chat logs make you look worse than had you not posted them.
Why would someone give you a huge chunk isk via an overbloated contract for minerals? If someone was quitting, they wouldn't need the minerals, they would just transfer the isk to you. If someone wanted you to have isk now, why do a contract?
Also, who would trust someone named "The Vault 007"?
"Fi1ippo > K so we're good?" indicates he gave you the isk in exchange for something. Why would he owe you?
Face it, you bought isk and now the hammer of justice took the isk back. Learn from the mistake and move on.
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Rabid Longcat
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Posted - 2010.12.03 00:10:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Seems legit!?
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Arianna Comnenus
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Posted - 2010.12.03 00:44:00 -
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Next time go to Shattered Crystal and get an ETC. In PLEX we trust.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.12.03 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sorlac I'm honestly confused on what one has to do with the other in this statement. I've lurked on these forums for a few years now and have no idea how the contract system works in game (never had to use it so haven't bothered with it).
So how exactly is being familiar with the forums and not being familiar with the contract system a red flag?
The OP's aware (see post #50) of how EVE forums threads are locked and the attention/trolling he'd be getting from posting in GD. So, he's likely to have been lurking around and playing EVE for quite some time. Any typical newbies or non-regulars to the EVE forum wouldn't bat an eye or worry at any sort of moderation.
Therefore, if you've been playing EVE for some time, whether regularly or irregularly, you wouldn't write " ... i was just told that its a common way to give money and items", simply because you SHOULD KNOW how to transfer money to another player after a few weeks play (unless you're impossibly thick). The word money shouldn't even be in that sentence. So, in all likelyhood, it is a feigned sentence.
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Big Jobs
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Posted - 2010.12.03 00:54:00 -
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BIG JOBS> Hello MR X> Yes also Hello BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> Well then BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> You seem nice man BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> Here have my macherial BIG JOBS> Yes MR X> I am tire of things ok? BIG JOBS> Agreed MR X> Bye to you BIG JOBS> Goodbye
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Slurper Also, who would trust someone named "The Vault 007"?
Actually a lot of WoW players might if new to this game.
There are many bank characters in WoW only the name would have been Thevault.
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Zaboth Garadath
Amarr Ore Extraction Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zaboth Garadath on 03/12/2010 01:14:40 obvious fake logs is obvious...
Quote: [ 2010.11.20 20:36:35 ] Fi1ippo > what do i do now then, im new so im not sure how to do an exchange [ 2010.11.20 20:36:36 ] TheVault007 > 1 sec, click contracts then hit accept
That reply must have been typed at 420 words/min
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:12:00 -
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Hi. I recently received a large amount of ISK from an ISK seller who claimed he was not selling me the ISK in chat logs. Why am I banned?
For being a ****ty liar.
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Corndog Sandwich
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:15:00 -
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Meh I transfer millions and sometimes a billion or two isk between my character all the time and have never had a problem. Its because they can reliably track the isk and tell if it was farmed by the player or if they bought it. When they check accounts and see they are owned by the same person and then check that the isk was made legitimately then you have nothing to fear.
Of course when they check and see that your friend got the isk from some random guy named "jfjfsdafsd" with 50b in his wallet sending isk to random people then its a dead giveaway!
Sounds like your friend bought isk... too bad maybe you should tell him to actually go out and make isk himself
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Corndog Sandwich Meh I transfer millions and sometimes a billion or two isk between my character all the time and have never had a problem. Its because they can reliably track the isk and tell if it was farmed by the player or if they bought it. When they check accounts and see they are owned by the same person and then check that the isk was made legitimately then you have nothing to fear.
Of course when they check and see that your friend got the isk from some random guy named "jfjfsdafsd" with 50b in his wallet sending isk to random people then its a dead giveaway!
Sounds like your friend bought isk... too bad maybe you should tell him to actually go out and make isk himself
When I gave away the 2 billion to someone I did not know and that would have been a different IP address (don't know if they check that). But there was no problem with the transfer so yeah they must know which ones are legit.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fi1ippo Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:47:12 Edited by: Fi1ippo on 02/12/2010 21:45:50 Afternoon, I apologize to bring this here to the forums but honestly i am a bit new and i am not sure where else to go after sending in an in game petition and a petiton via regular email to EVE support. I need to get my situation into the eyes of customer support and this seems to be the only way to do it.
I was recently the victim of a mistake made by one of your GMs and im in need of some answers, as well as proof to these allegations that i purchased ISK. You took actions based on logs (which i have logs too, and i sent them to your support department) and assumptions which are false.
I very quickly found and sent in the proof of the conversation logs between myself and the person i was initiating the trade with, and its clear that he was not selling me anything at all but giving it away. Since he was far away from my location we did the trades via contract...as i am told is a common way to trade ISK and items in EVE.
Yes it was a lot of ISK and i can see how it might look suspicious, but the proof is right there...since EVE records everything i was able (thanks to the help of a friendly corp member) to locate the chat logs pertaining to both events in question and sent them in via email to online support. If you are doing an investigation with that proof, or if you are simply ignoring it, either way i need to know because quite frankly being in the hole -800mil because of your mistake is starting to take its toll in frustration.
I understand people make mistakes and CCP is trying its best to avoid these things...but it happens. To everyone. Now all i ask is that i get a fair chance to prove myself innocent and get my playing experience back. Im not sure where else to turn, but I havnt even recieved any kind of indication from a GM that its even being looked in to...and thats whats annoying me the most.
So id appreciate if customer support can get this going. I dont mind a mistake, but i will take it seriously if im just left out in the cold.
well thats nice. i recently transferred 75 billion from one account to another and didnt get flagged but i have a nice history of tech 2 bpo sales. Curious did you have something as cool as that?
Damage control via forums is nice. Damage control via actual traceable assets is another....
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Nilithan
Minmatar Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux Let's be honest and realistic. Anyone who gives away all their stuff to a complete n00b stranger is a nice person.
There are no nice people in Eve.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!
I have met alot of nice people in eve :D
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Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:57:00 -
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haha.
why would you use contracts for isk?
sounds fishy, ontop of the already very fishy circumstances (person just giving away isk, spending it immediately, etc)
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