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OC 2av2
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Posted - 2010.12.04 02:55:00 -
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it is sad...
I know it is not possible to make eve online 100% realistic, because it is Sci-Fi. Sill, I love those features that has realistic background.
Of course, I will accept lost of learning skills, but it going to be less of realistic features in the game. By this, I meant - learning skills in the real life are very important.
I learned that in a hard way.
Learning skills in the game were teaching players of the patience. Eve online is for people who has at least some patience.
If you have not enough of patience then give me your stuff and quit the game!
By this I meant eve online is not for you. If you have not patience, then you are not going to be HAPPY by playing eve. Why you are wasting your money for your subscription then?
It is very sad that CCP did decision because of influence of some inpatient people to some inpatient CCP labour...
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Ren Nekk
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 03:03:00 -
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In before 0/10.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.04 03:06:00 -
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0/10 -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2010.12.04 03:08:00 -
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I don't think the problem is Sci-Fi. Since Sci-Fi is ultimately about making something as realistic as possible given current knowledge of things.
The problem is CCP and the self imposed design limits they went with.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Kool StoryBro
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Posted - 2010.12.04 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kool StoryBro on 04/12/2010 03:15:11
Trolling 0/10 Stupidity: 10/10 Conclusion: Op is ******ed <--- Edit: can't say ******ed in forum? Quote from Tropic Thunder "Never go full on "******"
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.12.04 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Skellington on 04/12/2010 03:23:19 I see the OP's point. When I first started playing EVE, my CEO told me that learning skills were part of the "long haul" aspect of the game, that if you don't have the patience to stick it out, maybe you should go to a game with instant gratification like WoW or Mario Cart. Not that I'm against removing Learning skills, CCP wants to grow and gain new subscriptions and keep them, but I relate to what he's saying.
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Ren Nekk
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 04/12/2010 03:20:24 I see his point. When I first started playing EVE, my CEO told me that learning skills were part of the "long haul" aspect of the game, that if you don't have the patience to stick it out, maybe you should go to a game with instant gratification like WoW or Mario Cart. Not that I'm against removing Learning skills, but I relate to what he's saying.
You're in the wrong place my friend. You better leave.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.12.04 03:36:00 -
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I'll feed the troll and the rest of the learning removal whiners..
You're all masochistic FREAKS that should be spending your freak time getting spanked by some chick and/or chick-dude in latex in your mom's basement instead of posting your whacked out ideas of 'patiences' on the forums and wanting it enforced on others.
EVE is not special with requiring 'Patience'. Every MMO requires patience. Grinding lvls, waiting for leet gear drop, grinding for isk/gold/silver/gil/whatever, waiting for friends to get on to do quest/raid/instance/gangroam.
Learning skills were and always were a dumb ass 1-3 month slap in the face. 1-3 months of.. wait for it.. NOTHING. There was no choice. They were an 'optional requirement' enforced on new players to the game, decreasing the amount of depth they could take part in the game to drastic degree for those first 1-3 months. That is just a stupid and a terrible business choice. How the do you reasonably market such a thing.. oh yeah, they never did! Cause it was that stupid.
Their removal is better for, not just newbs, but older players.. whether it results in more players to join your corp and help, more targets, more quality pilots to blow **** up that enhances everyone's market and thus, isk making abilities.
The only thing more stupid than Learning skills in EVE is people that would honestly admit they would have no problem starting completely over and doing them all again over the option of having them removed for the current proposel due the 14th.
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Traycea
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Posted - 2010.12.04 04:12:00 -
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OP is right of course. Now the WoW rejects who have posted thousands of times since getting their way will come slithering in with can I haz your stuff. So I have a couple of questions for them. Why didn't you WoW rejects quit Eve when learning skills were around? We all know how you whined and whined and whined and CCP caved like all good MMO's do sooner or later to the level 80 in two weeks crowd. But why didn't you quit Eve when learning skills were around? Why did you stay and complain? Why didn't you take your own advice and give somebody your stuff and go away months ago? And now that you've gotten your way why do you keep flooding these posts with your 12 year old responses instead of playing the game and letting the adults talk? On a personal note I always wondered where you type of players go after you ruin a game. EQ did the same thing in almost the same way as CCP is doing. Slow but sure they caved into the Veruca Salt crowd that flood good mmos after the good players establish it. And I always wondered where those players went. Where do you go when the game really does start to die after people like you start playing it?
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Ren Nekk
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Traycea OP is right of course. Now the WoW rejects who have posted thousands of times since getting their way will come slithering in with can I haz your stuff. So I have a couple of questions for them. Why didn't you WoW rejects quit Eve when learning skills were around? We all know how you whined and whined and whined and CCP caved like all good MMO's do sooner or later to the level 80 in two weeks crowd. But why didn't you quit Eve when learning skills were around? Why did you stay and complain? Why didn't you take your own advice and give somebody your stuff and go away months ago? And now that you've gotten your way why do you keep flooding these posts with your 12 year old responses instead of playing the game and letting the adults talk? On a personal note I always wondered where you type of players go after you ruin a game. EQ did the same thing in almost the same way as CCP is doing. Slow but sure they caved into the Veruca Salt crowd that flood good mmos after the good players establish it. And I always wondered where those players went. Where do you go when the game really does start to die after people like you start playing it?
We should have babies. Pro-learning EVE members unite and breed a new race of super-humans! A new community, no longer bound by the stultifying confine of stupidity! Hurrah! Hurrah!
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Kool StoryBro
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Posted - 2010.12.04 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Traycea OP is right of course. Now the WoW rejects who have posted thousands of times since getting their way will come slithering in with can I haz your stuff. And now that you've gotten your way why do you keep flooding these posts with your 12 year old responses instead of playing the game and letting the adults talk?
sorry you must be new here? average maturity on these forums is obviously 16 years old not 12!
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.12.04 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ren Nekk
We should have babies. Pro-learning EVE members unite and breed a new race of super-humans! A new community, no longer bound by the stultifying confine of stupidity! Hurrah! Hurrah!
I believe Mike Judge made a film about this idea in 2006. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:10:00 -
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I know what I first get a video game and tear off the plastic wrap and open the box I scream "YES! YES! How long do I get to wait and be patient before I can be able to play? 2 Months of waiting on useless skills? Best game ever!"
Anyone up for a round of BF: Wait Company 2? - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: OC 2av2 Learning skills in the game were teaching players of the patience. Eve online is for people who has at least some patience.
I'll tell you what I've told everybody else.
If learning skills don't teach the newbies the meaning of patience, I'm pretty sure Advanced Weapon Upgrades 5 will. There are skills in this game that take longer to max than entire avatars in other MMOs. We'll be fine, relax.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:17:00 -
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You're late 1 week..
WOTW(*) is 'nerf drake' I think.
(*)Whine Of The Week Public Idea Tracker | 24 Hour PLEX |
Traycea
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:19:00 -
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Quote: I know what I first get a video game and tear off the plastic wrap and open the box I scream "YES! YES! How long do I get to wait and be patient before I can be able to play? 2 Months of waiting on useless skills? Best game ever!"
Vaal not to be too much of Dique here but why didn't you quit the game back then? Why did you linger and whine about learning skills? Why couldn't you play the game the way it was designed instead of trying to make it easier for you?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Traycea
Quote: I know what I first get a video game and tear off the plastic wrap and open the box I scream "YES! YES! How long do I get to wait and be patient before I can be able to play? 2 Months of waiting on useless skills? Best game ever!"
Vaal not to be too much of Dique here but why didn't you quit the game back then? Why did you linger and whine about learning skills? Why couldn't you play the game the way it was designed instead of trying to make it easier for you?
You just missed the note from CCP that they considered the learning skills a mistake after putting them into the game, right? Public Idea Tracker | 24 Hour PLEX |
Ren Nekk
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Traycea
Quote: I know what I first get a video game and tear off the plastic wrap and open the box I scream "YES! YES! How long do I get to wait and be patient before I can be able to play? 2 Months of waiting on useless skills? Best game ever!"
Vaal not to be too much of Dique here but why didn't you quit the game back then? Why did you linger and whine about learning skills? Why couldn't you play the game the way it was designed instead of trying to make it easier for you?
You just missed the note from CCP that they considered the learning skills a mistake after putting them into the game, right?
CCP is unfortunately beholden to you rabble, but they can be excused in forgetting you for a moment, I think; I know I would like to, and this is a compulsion that no doubt goes beyond direct consciousness.
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Traycea
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:33:00 -
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Quote: You just missed the note from CCP that they considered the learning skills a mistake after putting them into the game, right?
You still haven't said yet why you stayed despite learning skills? Did you think the seven year old 'design flaw' would someday be rectified so that's why you stayed complaining all the way? Why didn't you quit long ago? Those skills were part of this game from day one. That's the game you joined. A game that tended to weed out exactly the type of players who would complain about learning skills which is (was) part of what made the game different. Why would you want to change the very game you came to be a part of?
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Tortann
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:34:00 -
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-10/10
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Lorieen
AQ Militis Seprentia
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer You just missed the note from CCP that they considered the learning skills a mistake after putting them into the game, right?
Yeah thats why they waited a couple of years and put in a second tier of them.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Traycea
Quote: I know what I first get a video game and tear off the plastic wrap and open the box I scream "YES! YES! How long do I get to wait and be patient before I can be able to play? 2 Months of waiting on useless skills? Best game ever!"
Vaal not to be too much of Dique here but why didn't you quit the game back then? Why did you linger and whine about learning skills? Why couldn't you play the game the way it was designed instead of trying to make it easier for you?
I didn't whine about anything, noob. I trained my learning skills a bit at a time and that was back before 900k sp alts, 2x sp bonus training time AND when you had to train level V to plug in advanced learning skills. It was an awful experience in which I wished that I could train for BC but no wait you cannot have fun, gotta train some more perc/will skills.
I did realize that it was a terrible mechanic that made a lot of new players quit. EVE was "designed" with lots of broken mechanics and terrible stuff. CCP stated many times that they did not like learning skills. The only ones who think learning skills are a good idea are ex-WoW players that so desperately want a leveling up system.
Please, learning skills are more like the WoW leveling system than anything else. In order to join the vast majority of players in WoW you need to get to max level. Replace max level with learning skills and there you go. If you want a grind wow leveling system that guess what, you can go play it at any time! The only one whining here is you, I am mocking you for great justice, noob. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Traycea
Quote: You just missed the note from CCP that they considered the learning skills a mistake after putting them into the game, right?
You still haven't said yet why you stayed despite learning skills? Did you think the seven year old 'design flaw' would someday be rectified so that's why you stayed complaining all the way? Why didn't you quit long ago? Those skills were part of this game from day one. That's the game you joined. A game that tended to weed out exactly the type of players who would complain about learning skills which is (was) part of what made the game different. Why would you want to change the very game you came to be a part of?
Why should I have quit? Just because of a minor nuisance - learning skills? Lol?!
We also had the feature of ghost-training. Was here since day one and got removed. I used it sometimes in the summer, when I was on vacation. Should I quit over that one too?
You people have to get 2 things into your head: 1) EVE will change forever. You can't stop that. 2) CCP runs the show.
@ the last one with that advanced learnings.. mea culpa.. maybe they said it after those? I hope you sleep bad because of this. Public Idea Tracker | 24 Hour PLEX |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:48:00 -
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That would be the reason that my previous statement did not include any question marks. (Cleverbot's response to op)
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Traycea
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Traycea on 04/12/2010 07:01:56
Quote: Why should I have quit? Just because of a minor nuisance - learning skills? Lol?!
Well I suppose this is the closest I will get to an actual answer to the question I asked. It's not a bad answer I suppose but still pretty vague. My question was in response to the innumerable idiots who have said to quit to those who are 'whining' about the change. Though if learning skills were such a minor nuisance like you say why were there so many whines about them? I guess I just wish all the whiners over the past year (really that's when I began to notice a concerted effort/ chorus of learning skill whiners) would have quit the game rather than trying to change it. It is a bit interesting though to see what's going to happen. I mean what goes next. I may have to start a lotto on it.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.12.04 07:57:00 -
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There are no college courses on memory. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.12.04 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: OC 2av2 it is sad...
I know it is not possible to make eve online 100% realistic, because it is Sci-Fi. Sill, I love those features that has realistic background.
Of course, I will accept lost of learning skills, but it going to be less of realistic features in the game. By this, I meant - learning skills in the real life are very important.
Your university offered courses in Perception 101? Interesting.
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Demorar Borgear
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Posted - 2010.12.04 08:16:00 -
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You know it seems like the perfect compromise solution would be to keep learning skills in but leave them as an option to train....oh wait... |
Illegitemus
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Posted - 2010.12.04 08:21:00 -
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I've listened to all the BS about the wait you have with having to train up the learning skills. I decided to do an experiment to see just how bad it would be for a nuub. I have a 70mill sp main, this is my 2 mill sp alt. I trained up a couple of skills and can now easily run l3's in a bc while training the learning skills.
What's that about being able to do nothing?
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Ren Nekk
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Illegitemus I've listened to all the BS about the wait you have with having to train up the learning skills. I decided to do an experiment to see just how bad it would be for a nuub. I have a 70mill sp main, this is my 2 mill sp alt. I trained up a couple of skills and can now easily run l3's in a bc while training the learning skills.
What's that about being able to do nothing?
I would tell you, but you'd have to be dumb to understand it.
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