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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:45:00 -
[2341]
 Originally by: lilol' me
Originally by: Sader Rykane
CCP, don't you think its a little embarrassing to have a 78 page botting thread on your main message board?
Question is - Do you think CCP even care? or even will do anything about it? Ever?
Answer : No to both....they prob selling isk themselves...
GTC? Plex? Both?
Of course they're selling isk!
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2011.04.20 14:15:00 -
[2342]
1. ccp create new char
2. ccp invest a small some of RL cash to a project, say a few k euro (small fry for such a big company)
3. ccp buy isk from rmt to that char
4. ccp then trace all transactions of the char that sent their char the isk
5. ccp can repeat this several times and with enough digging would make it very hard for RMT to operate knowing each sale could be CCP.
I wish i worked at CCP, my tactics of anti botting would have it almost nominal in 1 month tops.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.04.20 14:56:00 -
[2343]
Originally by: Xtreem
1. ccp create new char
2. ccp invest a small some of RL cash to a project, say a few k euro (small fry for such a big company)
3. ccp buy isk from rmt to that char
4. ccp then trace all transactions of the char that sent their char the isk
5. ccp can repeat this several times and with enough digging would make it very hard for RMT to operate knowing each sale could be CCP.
I wish i worked at CCP, my tactics of anti botting would have it almost nominal in 1 month tops.
It's worth remembering that whilst RMT and botting are linked they're not the same. There is RMT activity that's nothing to do with botting and bitting activity that's nothing to do with botting.
That said, I would do much the same as you. Buy small qtys of ISK, and then use the evidence for a chain-banning.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Johnny FiveAlive
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:52:00 -
[2344]
IP ban all botters and then send ALL the toons that connect into game with that IP to doomheim. You'd loose a good number of players but hey it would clean this game up of these cheats making it a much better game for everyone concerned who plays this legitamately without cheating!
This would help a few issues, isk coming into game would be substancially reduced, and the isk that's on them accounts would be removed from the game forever. Follow the isk trails and remove all isk bought from these toons. There isn't that many isk sinks in this game where isk gets totally removed form game, ie where isk doesn't get constantly recycled player to player. CCP i think wants to reduce the ammount of isk that's in game totally IMHO this would be a quick fix, however it has a knock on effect.
1. The ammount of minerals coming into game would be reduced massively as the markets won't be being floody by minerals these toons were bringing to the game, thus them making the job of the industrialists of mining a means of making isk again like it was 3+ years ago worth doing. Mineral prices would increase and so would everything. Everything cost wise is directly effected by the cost of the minerals in game. Cost of ship would go up, however once a ship is killed thats more isk lost that at presently. The cost of minerals would stablize once people relise the potental isk available in these regions that's available. These regions are dead ATM for a reason and its because of these botters. Rest of eve is way over crowded to hell. You only need to fly through drones to see how dead it is. Increase mineral prices and peeps will return to them as they'd have a reason to do so.
2. The regions these bots presently frequent would become space that is worth fighting for as the minerals these rats drop would be worth our time and effort to loot again or dare i say it mine for them. 
sorry for wall of text ramble
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Khadann
Caldari
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.04.20 17:37:00 -
[2345]
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?
Very seriously my answer would be NO.
I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
Hey can you tell me which bot tool you use please? 
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:22:00 -
[2346]
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Mr Kidd
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.
Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.
Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.
Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.
If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.
+1
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Aquila Draco
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Posted - 2011.04.21 17:36:00 -
[2347]
Originally by: Johnny FiveAlive
IP ban all botters and then send ALL the toons that connect into game with that IP to doomheim. You'd loose a good number of players but hey it would clean this game up of these cheats making it a much better game for everyone concerned who plays this legitamately without cheating!
This would help a few issues, isk coming into game would be substancially reduced, and the isk that's on them accounts would be removed from the game forever. Follow the isk trails and remove all isk bought from these toons. There isn't that many isk sinks in this game where isk gets totally removed form game, ie where isk doesn't get constantly recycled player to player. CCP i think wants to reduce the ammount of isk that's in game totally IMHO this would be a quick fix, however it has a knock on effect.
1. The ammount of minerals coming into game would be reduced massively as the markets won't be being floody by minerals these toons were bringing to the game, thus them making the job of the industrialists of mining a means of making isk again like it was 3+ years ago worth doing. Mineral prices would increase and so would everything. Everything cost wise is directly effected by the cost of the minerals in game. Cost of ship would go up, however once a ship is killed thats more isk lost that at presently. The cost of minerals would stablize once people relise the potental isk available in these regions that's available. These regions are dead ATM for a reason and its because of these botters. Rest of eve is way over crowded to hell. You only need to fly through drones to see how dead it is. Increase mineral prices and peeps will return to them as they'd have a reason to do so.
2. The regions these bots presently frequent would become space that is worth fighting for as the minerals these rats drop would be worth our time and effort to loot again or dare i say it mine for them.
sorry for wall of text ramble
+1
but... IP baning... that wont work...
90% of Europe don't have static IP-s...
IP distribution is dynamic and every 24 hours, or every time you reconnect your internet connection, you get new IP address from yours ISPs IP pool...
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.04.22 11:58:00 -
[2348]
Originally by: Aquila Draco
Originally by: Johnny FiveAlive
IP ban all botters and then send ALL the toons that connect into game with that IP to doomheim. You'd loose a good number of players but hey it would clean this game up of these cheats making it a much better game for everyone concerned who plays this legitamately without cheating!
This would help a few issues, isk coming into game would be substancially reduced, and the isk that's on them accounts would be removed from the game forever. Follow the isk trails and remove all isk bought from these toons. There isn't that many isk sinks in this game where isk gets totally removed form game, ie where isk doesn't get constantly recycled player to player. CCP i think wants to reduce the ammount of isk that's in game totally IMHO this would be a quick fix, however it has a knock on effect.
1. The ammount of minerals coming into game would be reduced massively as the markets won't be being floody by minerals these toons were bringing to the game, thus them making the job of the industrialists of mining a means of making isk again like it was 3+ years ago worth doing. Mineral prices would increase and so would everything. Everything cost wise is directly effected by the cost of the minerals in game. Cost of ship would go up, however once a ship is killed thats more isk lost that at presently. The cost of minerals would stablize once people relise the potental isk available in these regions that's available. These regions are dead ATM for a reason and its because of these botters. Rest of eve is way over crowded to hell. You only need to fly through drones to see how dead it is. Increase mineral prices and peeps will return to them as they'd have a reason to do so.
2. The regions these bots presently frequent would become space that is worth fighting for as the minerals these rats drop would be worth our time and effort to loot again or dare i say it mine for them.
sorry for wall of text ramble
+1
but... IP baning... that wont work...
90% of Europe don't have static IP-s...
IP distribution is dynamic and every 24 hours, or every time you reconnect your internet connection, you get new IP address from yours ISPs IP pool...
I agree, outside of about 2 people that have no idea how to change their IP (and don't realise that asking on their botting forums would offer the advice required), banning IPs won't work.
Also, who's disconnecting their internet connection so often? ;p My router is never turned off.
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Elanor Vega
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:33:00 -
[2349]
Edited by: Elanor Vega on 23/04/2011 12:34:00
Originally by: Khadann
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?
Very seriously my answer would be NO.
I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
Hey can you tell me which bot tool you use please?
they are now using multiple botting tools... and using little first, then second then third then first again... (one guy wrote that on one forum)... so that they don't have only one pattern of behavior all the time...
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Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.23 22:40:00 -
[2350]
Before cca 2 weeks I posted one question for all ppl here...
now... 2 weeks later i am posting it again:
Originally by: Severian Carnifex
@ All:
ppl, do you see any results of this anti bot war???
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Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.04.23 23:29:00 -
[2351]
+1 adding my voice to the topic
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Opertone
Caldari
World - of - Empire
Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 03:07:00 -
[2352]
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.24 06:42:00 -
[2353]
Originally by: Opertone
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
BTW, this thread has potential... 
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Niegel
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Posted - 2011.04.24 06:45:00 -
[2354]
Why not take a totaly other root.
Give ppl who are a certain number of days (I don't say how much, because that would be just a detail) 23/7 in eve a health-ban of say 2 hours, graduatly going to a max of 6 hours in the timezone where it is night in there country.
Because eve is a big sandbox: if you are in a corp which is at war, your number of days before the heathwarning is going into effect is extended by an other certain amound of days.
It would have a impact on all botting - mining, missioning and pvp-ing - in eve end ccp can try in the meantime curtail it some more.
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.04.24 07:11:00 -
[2355]
In other news, I found a system with 6 or 7 perma-ratters, and petitioned them last night. They were perpetually logged in, and ratting in 0.0.
Today they're not online. Hey now!
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Florestan Bronstein
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:00:00 -
[2356]
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Opertone
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:02:03:04:05:06
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Illwill Bill
Nifelhem
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:09:00 -
[2357]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Opertone
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:02:03:04:05:06
Funny becauase it's true 
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Kina Ayami
Affari Sporchi
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Posted - 2011.04.24 09:13:00 -
[2358]
+ 1 to this topic.
Ban the bots!
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
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Posted - 2011.04.24 17:14:00 -
[2359]
Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 24/04/2011 17:15:03
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Opertone
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:02:03:04:05:06
thats in Linux...
in Mac OS:
sudo ifconfig en0 lladdr 01:02:03:04:05:06
and in Win a little play with registry...
P.S.
may be the best way is baning of hardware serial numbers... (like ban of that HDD or MB)
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:32:00 -
[2360]
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?
Very seriously my answer would be NO.
I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
This is simply not going to happen. Move on. |
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:34:00 -
[2361]
Originally by: Iarga
Edited by: Iarga on 19/04/2011 07:27:08
Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 01:44:37
lol tho, we dont have to worry about the botters, theres only 9000 of them in the game
9000 / 360000
well thats if mothermoon's numbers are right
link
thats still 9000 people that need to be banned..
9000 bots that run for 23/7 can still cause a great deal of economic damage (give me a oprinting press to print billions fake euros and no police and ill show you what damage i can do to your country :P )
ow btw bots are rising again...for 2 weeks i had no more then 4-5 players in the ice belt...since yesterday 12 and rising(and some that where there before 23/7
CCP temp bans alone doesnt work with bot users...al least trip them of the right to use plex/sell char after getting a ban for a longer time IMO
I would welcome some interaction about how those numbers were reached to [email protected]. I don't believe them to be accurate, but I respect your statement. |
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:35:00 -
[2362]
Originally by: Sader Rykane
CCP, don't you think its a little embarrassing to have a 78 page botting thread on your main message board?
Not at all. I'd be glad I wasn't playing some other MMO where botting was happening and we shoved the problem under the door as opposed to taking it head on. |
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:37:00 -
[2363]
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Opertone
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
BTW, this thread has potential...
By all means, elaborate... |
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:37:00 -
[2364]
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?
Very seriously my answer would be NO.
I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
This is simply not going to happen. Move on.
You know, i would add such adamant bot defenders to my watch-list if I could.
Keep up the good work.
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:40:00 -
[2365]
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Opertone
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
BTW, this thread has potential...
By all means, elaborate...
where I want to go, if if you guys really filter IP's from proxy origin, and if there is actually a way where you could ensure permanent bans for really serious offenders, that's it.
Some other players mentioned more definite ways to ensure you could identify previous offenders.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:02:00 -
[2366]
Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
P.S.
may be the best way is baning of hardware serial numbers... (like ban of that HDD or MB)
Let me introduce you to this fun little invention, called the virtual machine...
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Micky rox
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:17:00 -
[2367]
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?
Very seriously my answer would be NO.
I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
NO..
It would not be so fking boring and time consuming if it was not for all that botted isk in the circulation, basically lazy people used bots and generated so much isk and now the legit player can't be fked to play no more because they feel they can't compete.
If they just leave it and do nothing it will only get worse and worse until everyone has to use a bot just so they can afford a ship, I've seen it happen in so many other games, items get to a ridiculous price due to inflation through bot use and that kills games! |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:23:00 -
[2368]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Opertone
ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:02:03:04:05:06
Its even simpler than that. Pretty much every cable router I've ever seen has an option to clone a MAC or enter your own MAC.
Also, every single network card here has the option in its settings to spoof a MAC in Windows 7, Vista or XP. If its not in the settings then you can do it via the registry.
You might have more luck with ADSL routers that can't bridge - most of them don't offer any way of changing the MAC via the web interface. However if the telnet interface is up then its usually just the same as Linux - ie same as your command above.
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Revolution Rising
Junkyard Gunners
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:32:00 -
[2369]
I'd like to know if people are experiencing that CCP is really doing something about this?
Or are they just making noise?
I notice trit prices have increased. Both the market and industry as a whole need work, but I really think personally the RMT thing will be half the fight to making mining/industry a viable profession again (as it once was).
Do people think the trit price went up as a result of something CCP did or just an aftershock of the capital losses in the north?
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Micky rox
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:42:00 -
[2370]
Don't even need to play with registry in windows...
Network and Sharing Centre > Change adapter settings > right click on adapter name, then Properties > Configure > Advanced tab > Network address
Then change the value in there to something like 0007083B7C33
Also useful from command prompt 'ipconfig -all' You can then see your adapters physical addresses |
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