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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.01.14 06:32:00 -
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Could CCP add the ability to return merchandise.
It would go a long way towards diminishing market griefing.
Something reasonable like, you have 10 days to return something.
If it wasn't used then you acquire 99% of the isk you spent on it back from the player you bought it from.
If it was repackaged, a restocking fee applies and you only recieve 85% of your isk back.
Granted this will hose true scammers who grossly overlist and then immedietly spend the money on other things, as they will incur negative balances that will need to be repayed.
However it will do a great deal of good for thos poor tired sods who accidently type an extra zero and can't sleep at night when someone accidently overpays on thier fine wares.
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Triger
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Posted - 2005.01.14 07:19:00 -
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maybe we could have gift recipts too? lol...
anyway, yeah, i like your idea but i doubt CCP will add it b/c i think they dont want to screw over the scammers, seeing as scamming is an "exceptable" means of making in money in eve.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2005.01.14 08:14:00 -
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10 days, no fricken way!!
I agree to the idea in principle, but think you should only have an hour to return an item, and it cannot be equipped at all or the return function is disabled.
Doing it this way will make sure you dont pay 100M for a shuttle or any crap like that, but prevents people from exploiting the system by always returning things, and thus griefing the sellers.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Avon
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Posted - 2005.01.14 09:49:00 -
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High pricing is not scamming.
Some people might need what you are selling enough to pay for it.
If you don't need it that badly don't buy - it's not like there aren't enough warnings about what you are paying.
What you are asking for is an undo button for stupid people - denied.
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.01.14 09:56:00 -
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Agreed with Avon. Stupid (and/or fat) people shouldn't be catered.
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Holland Manners
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Posted - 2005.01.14 11:33:00 -
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Terrible idea. What you're saying is that if the seller has already spent the money, the refund will cause him to have a negative ISK balance which he will have to pay back. You obviously forgot to think that a deletable alt doesn't care about paying back his debt!
Congrats, you just created the ultimate infinite money exploit.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.01.14 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gierling on 14/01/2005 17:52:56
Ostensibly if an alt was deleted with a negative balance the debt would be transferred to that players main character.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.01.14 18:12:00 -
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Absolutely awful suggestion
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2005.01.14 18:22:00 -
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so basicaly i could buy my competetor out whos selling the same stuff as me, sell my stuff for higher and then once all my stuff sells return his stuff?
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.01.14 18:37:00 -
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Store credit only.
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Tadius Rhain
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Posted - 2005.01.14 18:50:00 -
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Wrong idea. Wrong forum. Wrong game.
There are better ways to prevent market griefing. For a start, pay attention to what you buy. Bringing consumer protection to Eve contradicts the Caldari way of life.
Your proposal would open up a significant amount of new problems, such as:
- Negative balances + delete character = Money added to system
- Returning blueprints after making copies = Second-hand blueprints are always returned
- Continiously buy out and return your competitors stock = New form of market griefing
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Tadius Rhain
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Posted - 2005.01.14 18:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Gierling
Ostensibly if an alt was deleted with a negative balance the debt would be transferred to that players main character.
And if there are no other characters on the account?
What about if all other characters have no isk...
Think before you post.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.01.14 20:28:00 -
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That's a horrible idea kat... since I am alwaus looking at the FULL TABLE of every order I never make that mistake, and neither should you!
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Elita
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Posted - 2005.01.14 20:39:00 -
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I've got an idea:
How about when you buy something, a window pops up that not only shows the price you are paying in big, bold letters, but also shows its relation to the regional average. You could even color code it so it is green when you are buying lower or selling higher than average, and red for the opposite!
As for escrow, let's get really outrageous and suggest that players should have a window pop up with the total price and a list of the actual contents of the escrow, asking them if they are sure they want to proceed.
Oh, wait a minute...
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meoff
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Posted - 2005.01.14 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elita
I've got an idea:
How about when you buy something, a window pops up that not only shows the price you are paying in big, bold letters, but also shows its relation to the regional average. You could even color code it so it is green when you are buying lower or selling higher than average, and red for the opposite!
As for escrow, let's get really outrageous and suggest that players should have a window pop up with the total price and a list of the actual contents of the escrow, asking them if they are sure they want to proceed.
Oh, wait a minute...
Thats a really good idea i'm surprised no one thought of it yet!
/sarcasam off...
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Keva
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Posted - 2005.01.14 21:43:00 -
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A simpler idea would simply to allow for a player controlled market filter.
i.e I can set my market screen to show only those buy orders x% below avg and sell orders y% above the avg.
i.e I set an up limit of 150% and lower limit of 50%.
when I view for example trit with a market avg price of 2 I would only see buy orders for 1.0 and up, I also would only see sell orders for 3 and below.
Those griefers selling 1 trit for 1,000,0000 can continue to do so but on my market screen the order would never even apear.
Not only would it cut down on griefing it would "clean up" the market. I have never fallen for any of those griefer orders but it does clutter up the market screen.
Once again this would be up to each player to set for him/her self. I may a tight filter of +/- 50% of avg price, somebody else may want to show more orders with +/- 300%. Somebody else may want all orders and disable the filter completely. (of course CCP would need to first fix those broken items who constantly show a wrong price that never updates).
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Lord Dynastron
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Posted - 2005.01.14 23:05:00 -
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I dunno about that, but I would like a way to get stuff back you sell. Only need about a 3 minute window here, but it is too g-d easy when your tired and fuzzy to sell stuff too cheap. If you fail to click 'advanced' and just click sell then POOF,, there goes 400 150mm railguns for 100 isk each!! 
Happened to me, really really p'ed me off. I think they have kinda-sorta fixed this in that price that now appears in the box is the 'average' price and not the lowest buy price... or is that just in the advanced screen? Yea,, I think that is just in the advanced screen *thinks out loud*
Or simply make the seller type in the price with zero not being an option. The interface is kinda misleading is what I am saying.
A friend of mine managed to sell a Megathron for 10 mil.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.01.15 02:24:00 -
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Yes there are tons of problems with the idea, but Im just feeling out ideas to help with market griefing.
Keva however has come up with a much better idea, so I withdraw the return idea and I'll go full tilt on the ability to create global market filters.
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Gantor Paxnor
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Posted - 2005.01.15 02:31:00 -
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I think this would require expansion to the database schema, don't expect anything overnight.
At the end of the day:
1. Check that what you're buying is indeeed the real McKoy.
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2. Check that what you're buying is indeeed the real McKoy.
and don't forget:
3. Check that what you're buying is indeeed the real McKoy.
Simple as that.
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Geofferic Sidharttha
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Posted - 2005.01.15 03:36:00 -
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10 days, no way.
That would lead to even MORE market griefage.
Maybe 2 hours?
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