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Aurielle Iwo
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Posted - 2010.12.06 17:50:00 -
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With the intriduction of the Noctis, the Marauder has lost its appeal because it no longer has a niche. The Marauder role bonus (100% bonus to tractor beam range and velocity) is essentially useless as most will opt to fly a Noctis to fill the role. I'd like to discuss how Marauders could be altered in order to once again make them a viable and desirable ship to pilot once again. Ideas?
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Drexit
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Posted - 2010.12.06 17:52:00 -
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You can't fly a noctis and a dps ship at the same time. Nor can you dps /tank in a noctis. So no, the noctis has not replaced the marauder. Did you post the same thing when they added the orca?
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Scout1111
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Posted - 2010.12.06 17:52:00 -
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And you can STILL salvage on the run with it, thus allowing you to grab all the BS wrecks while still inside the mission in less time than warping back to station, waiting 30 seconds, jumping in another ship, warping back to the pockets, locking all the wrecks, tractoring them in, salvaging them, warping back to the station, and waiting 30 seconds to jump back in your marauder.
Now if we gave the noctis guns, your argument might have some validity.
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Bruce Carraway
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Posted - 2010.12.06 17:55:00 -
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true that, i ran a level 4 yesterday with a noctis and i complete the mission real fast.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.06 17:59:00 -
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Guess Torps, 800mm AC, Tachs and Rails all suck. As well as Salvaging and Looting as you go.
Wait why did I include Rails?! Meh 3/4 are still fine.
-- I can not decide on a sig yet.
Under Construction.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:15:00 -
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The Noctis only makes Marauders look obsolete if you didn't know how to use a Marauder correctly in the first place...
That said, I'd still like the Kronos to be refocused into a drone ship and not an incredibly odd blaster boat (the only thing it's good at, and the Vindy does it better).
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:28:00 -
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If you were actually salvaging in your Marauder, you were doing something horribly wrong.
You could clear mission wrecks EVEN faster with a Marauder/Noctis combo, bring all the wrecks into a ball around your mission ship and warp in the noctis with some salvage rigs and salvage them all in a big hurry. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Mavnas
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Carraway true that, i ran a level 4 yesterday with a noctis and i complete the mission real fast.
Recon 1 of 3?
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose If you were actually salvaging in your Marauder, you were doing something horribly wrong.
You could clear mission wrecks EVEN faster with a Marauder/Noctis combo, bring all the wrecks into a ball around your mission ship and warp in the noctis with some salvage rigs and salvage them all in a big hurry.
Nonsense. The sheer fact that you came back in a ship at all means you were better off salvaging as you killed in your Marauder. Wreckballing is a significant waste of time for very little extra profit, and I can tell you that from experience.
*Tip: Don't salvage everything. Don't slow down. Get the BS wrecks first and BC wrecks if they have stuff in them, but don't linger for a moment longer than it takes for the last rat to die.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 06/12/2010 19:03:26
Originally by: Mavnas
Originally by: Bruce Carraway true that, i ran a level 4 yesterday with a noctis and i complete the mission real fast.
Recon 1 of 3?
Buzzkill. Is that mission still around?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Drexit You can't fly a noctis and a dps ship at the same time. Nor can you dps /tank in a noctis. So no, the noctis has not replaced the marauder. Did you post the same thing when they added the orca?
Pfft, Eve is populated by 10-20 people at most .. and a crap ton of alts.
Doing more than one thing at a time is child's play these days as client is pretty easy on computer resources and the new and improved window mechanics is a clear sign that CCP recognizes the prevalence of dual-triple-boxing
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 06/12/2010 19:03:26
Originally by: Mavnas
Originally by: Bruce Carraway true that, i ran a level 4 yesterday with a noctis and i complete the mission real fast.
Recon 1 of 3?
Buzzkill. Is that mission still around?
Yes it is, however beside the 4 BS there isn't anything worth salvaging/looting here. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored don't linger for a moment longer than it takes for the last rat to die.
QFT. I think the only place that the Noctis is likely to take away from the Marauder is when you weren't using your Marauder for combat anyway, or where you can't have a Marauder. Like wormholes. :)
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died - |
Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:46:00 -
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The noctis only makes the marauders less of choice over a higher dps faction bs if you have multiple accounts and can stick one in a noctis to clean up the room after the dps boats are in the next one. For single account mission runners its still the best option if they want to salvage missions.
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Trebor Whettam on 06/12/2010 19:52:11 WTB: 1000+ dps Noctis fit.
The Noctis excels in one useful role: salvaging wormholes.
It's also a boost to players who insist on triple-boxing single missions (tank + gank + salvage). Of course, triple-boxers would still be much better off blitzing three separate missions in parallel (using brain-dead simple ships, killing is easier than looting/salvaging).
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Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aurielle Iwo I still run missions
Found your problem.
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Aurielle Iwo
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Posted - 2010.12.06 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Petra Katell Found your problem.[/quote
Found yours... addicted to trolling. Move along if you dont have anything constructive to contribute.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.12.06 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Drexit Did you post the same thing when they added the orca?
I needed to grind my support alts standings up and it could not fly a combat ship at the time but when I got bored of courier missions I used my Orca in some level 3 missions, killing the rats and tractoring/salvaging in a huge Indy ship was funny as hell although the 200(ish) dps was less amusing.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:15:00 -
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Well, I will say this. Thanks to the noctis people running PvE content with multiple accounts who want to simultaneously kill, loot, and salvage now have a perfect, or at least nearly so, dedicated platform for just that task. Now there's even less reason to pack a marauder's high slots with tractor beams than there was when the orca was released.
Personally, I love the noctis. With the noctis I can stop flying an orca in mission space, and if I lose the drone-based DPS from 5 medium T2 drones so be it. I'll be able to pack my third alt's dominix with guns instead of salvagers. Sounds like a great deal for mission runners who multi-account and fly marauders since they'll be less compelled to fit tractor beams into those high slots.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 07/12/2010 00:43:21
Originally by: Shereza Now there's even less reason to pack a marauder's high slots with tractor beams than there was when the orca was released.
I'd really like to convince you that if you aren't using a Marauder to salvage while you kill, you really should be using a different ship.
A Mach and Noctis combo would do you better than a Vargur and Noctis combo if that's what you're doing. The same with Nightmare/Paladin and Vindy/Kronos. (The Golem and CNR don't seem to tread on each other's toes quite as much.)
There's no reason to use a ship below its potential when there are plenty of other good options.
That said, you won't be making a large amount more with your two ships than the single Marauder pilot with with his one. And if you divide your final isk per hour by two, like you should with a proper assessment of your accounts, you'll be making less per account than the single Marauder pilot.
The best thing you could do is pass over the loot/salvage all together and dump two monstrous DPS ships into the same mission and blast through them twice as fast, or run two separate missions concurrently. (And no, there is no such thing as too much DPS if you don't sacrifice anything else for it.)
Then again, I'm speaking of maximizing your return on time in isk...missions are a means to an end for me, and my fun is had elsewhere. If you're enjoying what you're doing multi-boxing with the Noctis, by all means go gangbusters.
ED: To make this wordier...
I'm not trying to knock the Noctis. It's a cool ship, and CCP should add more utility ships like this in game since we have a million combat ships already. It's cool for people just getting started in L4s...but if high-efficiency L4 running is what you're after, it doesn't have a lot to offer.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza Thanks to the noctis people running PvE content with multiple accounts who want to simultaneously kill, loot, and salvage now have a perfect, or at least nearly so, dedicated platform for just that task.
Yes, but why would you want to do that? It's rather inefficient compared to just mass-murder and (occasionally) loot/salvage as you go, which is something the Marauders still excel at. Sure, the Noctis most certainly speeds up the act of salvaging, but it's still not enough to make it worth more than just doing the next mission in the really efficient mission machines. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Headermannn
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Posted - 2010.12.07 03:57:00 -
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The noctis is also very handy in 0.0 space where there are no Marauders to be had.
But killing off/changing marauders now the Noctis is in? pfftt.
Dreamin'.
Quote: With the intriduction of the Noctis, the Marauder has lost its appeal because it no longer has a niche.
I have not seen this mentioned anywhere else.
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Sid Zero
State Wh0re Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.07 05:10:00 -
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Drop the Tractor beam bonus and give it a sensor strength bonus.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.07 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 07/12/2010 05:13:38 nvm
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Thraxor Blacksoul
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Posted - 2010.12.07 06:36:00 -
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Not sure what you're doing but unless a mission has multiple, 3-5 pockets with very large piles of wrecks a Marauder is still quicker in most missions.
Maybe it's just me, but I thought the point of the Marauder was to salvage up while you was still blasting through ships???
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.07 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren , or where you can't have a Marauder. Like wormholes. :)
But, I have!
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.07 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/12/2010 09:02:48
Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Liang Nuren , or where you can't have a Marauder. Like wormholes. :)
But, I have!
I don't even want to think about how many indy trips you had to do to haul the mats for a marauder into a C1 or C2. The build costs are really outrageous. Seems like there's plexes you may not be able to get a marauder into as well - though admittedly they may be limited to FW and static plexes.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died - |
Mart Allini
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Posted - 2010.12.07 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/12/2010 09:02:48
Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Liang Nuren , or where you can't have a Marauder. Like wormholes. :)
But, I have!
I don't even want to think about how many indy trips you had to do to haul the mats for a marauder into a C1 or C2. The build costs are really outrageous. Seems like there's plexes you may not be able to get a marauder into as well - though admittedly they may be limited to FW and static plexes.
-Liang
There are no size restrictions in WH sites. If you're crazy enough to build a carrier in there, you can use it to run c2's. Also, you don't need to build your marauder in W-space. c2 to HS WH's will allow battleships through. You'd have to build it in a c1, but if you are using a marauder to run c1's, you're doing it wrong. |
fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.07 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 07/12/2010 11:20:29
Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/12/2010 09:02:48
Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Liang Nuren , or where you can't have a Marauder. Like wormholes. :)
But, I have!
I don't even want to think about how many indy trips you had to do to haul the mats for a marauder into a C1 or C2. The build costs are really outrageous. Seems like there's plexes you may not be able to get a marauder into as well - though admittedly they may be limited to FW and static plexes.
-Liang
Ohhhh, you dont want to know what my small Corp has in our WH system, my Marauder was the smallest problem getting it in
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Petrov Kreigt
Caldari Project Nemesis WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.12.10 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Aurielle Iwo
Originally by: Petra Katell Found your problem.[/quote
Found yours... addicted to trolling. Move along if you dont have anything constructive to contribute.
BEST COMEBACK EVAR -_-
noctis is basically a better version of my salvagecane/cormorant
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