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masternerdguy
Gallente Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:23:00 -
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'Nuff said, but since most people need examples,
- It allows easy escapes if you fly into a gate camp on the side the campers are
- It makes lo sec far too safe, when camping a hi sec-lo sec interface gate it means people can warp to 0 on you (no bubbles in 0.4-0.1) and jump immediately to hi sec
- It encourages enemy fleets wimping out of pvp encounters, if they can't warp to 0 they have more trouble doing so
- Its hypocritical that autopilot warps to 15 and manual pilot warps to 0
In case people get that bright idea of using bookmarks, the banhammer could be the consequence. 7 days banned per bookmark within 200km of a gate.
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc. Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:25:00 -
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TL:DR. But I'm pretty sure you're an idiot.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:26:00 -
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masternerdguy is a broken game mechanic. -
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:28:00 -
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No it's not. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Wu Spacey
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:28:00 -
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A). I think you are supposed to set up the bubble/camp on the incoming gate. b). Its not hypocritical.
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masternerdguy
Gallente Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Spacey A). I think you are supposed to set up the bubble/camp on the incoming gate. b). Its not hypocritical.
ok. what if we're camping the piekura gate in mara and someone jumps from lithiura and warps through our gate camp and jumps to piekura (hi sec)
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Baenus
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:33:00 -
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it's not broken, just bullsnot. Unfortunately it's the only way they came up with to fix an even worse broken mechanic that caused more systemwide lag than a POS bash in null sec. Bookmarks. Some of you newer players never suffered through the mass lag caused by 30k people copying 100k bookmarks each, since that was the only way to get a safe route anywhere. And yes, it really was as bad as all that
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masternerdguy
Gallente Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Baenus it's not broken, just bullsnot. Unfortunately it's the only way they came up with to fix an even worse broken mechanic that caused more systemwide lag than a POS bash in null sec. Bookmarks. Some of you newer players never suffered through the mass lag caused by 30k people copying 100k bookmarks each, since that was the only way to get a safe route anywhere. And yes, it really was as bad as all that
nuke the bm
ban the player
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Night Epoch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:34:00 -
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Quote: The OP: "It makes lo sec far too safe, when camping a hi sec-lo sec interface gate it means people can warp to 0 on you (no bubbles in 0.4-0.1) and jump immediately to hi sec"
/me hopes the OP encounters one of my low sec gate camps, and subsequently learns how they're properly established.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:35:00 -
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Gates are the broken mechanic
The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
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masternerdguy
Gallente Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy Gates are the broken mechanic
no gates generate pvp
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:38:00 -
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I'll be content with CCP if the other xmas present is them banning masternerdguy from the forums.. again.
---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it- |
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:40:00 -
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So you want even less incentive for people to go to low-sec? Smart.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Gates are the broken mechanic
no gates generate pvp
àbecause they're a far more broken mechanic than WTZ ever was. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
So Cash
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:48:00 -
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What is this, I don't eve know.
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OverLord Minion
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Gates are the broken mechanic
no gates generate pvp
Funny how some people think gate camping is pvp. Usually it only means: A group waiting for hours for unpreapared targets that most of the time aren't even PVP fitted, that run aways as soon as any true PVP target arrives (Another group of the same size PVP fitted).
If you really want PVP you can find it. What you want is easy targets.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:49:00 -
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WTZ is ok. And actually it's WT 0 - 3,500 m.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: Wu Spacey A). I think you are supposed to set up the bubble/camp on the incoming gate. b). Its not hypocritical.
ok. what if we're camping the piekura gate in mara and someone jumps from lithiura and warps through our gate camp and jumps to piekura (hi sec)
Put scouts in the surrounding systems, and everytime your scouts report a potential victim in Passari, Hasama or Dantumi you warp tacklers to those gates to try to catch them.
Don't just sit there in a stationary giant blob.
Actually, I myself am personally opposed to warp-to-0km. Before the advent of instas, gatecamps were generally small and more-or-less manageable. Now solo gate-camps are virtually impossible. Thus the ONLY gate camps you now see are giant blobs. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Kelby
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:49:00 -
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So your saying futuristic advanced internet spaceships canÆt have awesome sat nav?
Ban for using bookmarks, hehehehehe.
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Lost Monkeys
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:50:00 -
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BOO HOO
warp to zero makes it harder for you to gank people. I think that's kinda the point. true PVP is fun for both sides, even the losers. Adjusting game mechanics to suport ganking is a fail on every level. Gate camps are not the way PVP is meant to be, they are only a pathetic way for incompetent PVPers to get kills. As far as I am concerned the only non gank gate camp scenario is when it is used to defend your aliances sovereign space. L2P, real PVP is far more fun than ganking people.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:53:00 -
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As one of the most outspoken against WTZ, I think the solution isn't in killing WTZ, but in killing the gate system almost entirely.
CCP needs the Jovians to rage against the childish empires and kill their gate networks between constellations and regions. Force the proliferation of jump drive technology and move travel from arbitrary highways. Let true roaming pvp come to Eve.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Fistme
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:54:00 -
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you have 2 choices, warp to 0 or million of unneed BMS flooding the system doing the same thing. I'll take the lesser of two evils even if i miss the days of catching people at 15
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy It allows easy escapes if you fly into a gate camp on the side the campers are
Yes. Gate camps are not supposed to be I-Win buttons. There is an easy solution too... You can put bubbles up in 0.0!
Originally by: masternerdguy It makes lo sec far too safe, when camping a hi sec-lo sec interface gate it means people can warp to 0 on you (no bubbles in 0.4-0.1) and jump immediately to hi sec
Then you're a damned fool for camping that gate, aren't you?
Originally by: masternerdguy It encourages enemy fleets wimping out of pvp encounters, if they can't warp to 0 they have more trouble doing so
Yes, PvP is not mandatory if you can avoid it.
Originally by: masternerdguy Its hypocritical that autopilot warps to 15 and manual pilot warps to 0
No it is simply a game mechanic.
Whining over the rules of a game is pathetic! I'd compare you to a football player (European style, and not the goalkeeper) who throws a temper tantrum because he's not allowed to use his hands.
If you can't win with game rules that are no different for other players than you, then that sort of indicates that you suck at EVE, doesn't it?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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masternerdguy
Gallente Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fistme you have 2 choices, warp to 0 or million of unneed BMS flooding the system doing the same thing. I'll take the lesser of two evils even if i miss the days of catching people at 15
step 1: ccp writes database search script that nukes every bookmark within 200km of a gate every downtime step 2: said script issues bans to abusers of the bookmark system. step 3: people whine on forums about how unfair it is, then eve moves on.
Also, if you remove gates you'd better give us a reliable way of locating targets since every FC in this game is conditioned to fight on gates or stations.
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Beauregard Jackson
Minmatar GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:57:00 -
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Pirate tears are the best tears of all.
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Kelby
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:57:00 -
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lol
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.12.08 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: Wu Spacey A). I think you are supposed to set up the bubble/camp on the incoming gate. b). Its not hypocritical.
ok. what if we're camping the piekura gate in mara and someone jumps from lithiura and warps through our gate camp and jumps to piekura (hi sec)
If you're camping a high-sec gate, you are by definition only camping out-going, dude. If you want to take incoming in low-sec, you'll need to camp a low-low gate.
You seem to be suffering not so much from broken game mechanics as from a severe intelligence deficit. ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2010.12.08 21:01:00 -
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WTZ is the best thing that was ever introduced to the game just for the simple fact that going 15km in a ship over and over again sucks ass when you are moving stuff or just trying to get somewhere else that is 20+ jumps away. Getting ganked has nothing to do with my stance since I had WTZ BMs for just about every gate, from multiple gates, for every system I visited.
It's ******ed to want to remove it and only mentally deficient people call for it. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Wu Spacey
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Posted - 2010.12.08 21:03:00 -
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Lost GreyBeard, are you talking to me Just want to be sure. Ill reply.
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jerichot
Cutish Brunts
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Posted - 2010.12.08 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: jerichot on 08/12/2010 21:05:25 You re the guy who made another post b*tching about tengu who should be nerfed coz he can cloack and warp without being bubbled , right ? Maybe you could write a nice letter to CCP with a complete list about what you think need to nerfed so you can gank people better
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