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LapaM2
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: LapaM2 on 13/12/2010 09:11:47 I'd certainly like to hear CCP's side of the story.
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DJohnson
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:54:00 -
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Railgun tester
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:20:00 -
[153]
+1
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Sed Man
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:53:00 -
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+1
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Mad Nessy
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mad Nessy on 13/12/2010 11:32:47 +1
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Aleena Doran
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Aleena Doran on 13/12/2010 11:35:21 Agreed. Eve is loosing credibility with the more casual player. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why EVE subscriber base is falling.
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fon Luck
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:10:00 -
[157]
+1
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.13 16:27:00 -
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Latest devblog was a useless pile of 'politically correct statements', keep smacking CCP in the face about this GIGANTIC EVE PROBLEM.
------------ "I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." - Heavy Weapons Guy |
Gillaboo
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Posted - 2010.12.13 16:37:00 -
[159]
/signed -------------------------------------------------------- This space For Rent. |
SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.12.13 16:39:00 -
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And not the useless gumph that was in the latest devblog.
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Reed Tiburon
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.12.13 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Edited by: Malcanis on 12/12/2010 15:04:44
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Aineko Macx Sorry Treb, but the two are orthogonal, you don't have to bot to rmt, nor is someone who bots forced to rmt. Sure, often they work hand in hand, but the reasons and implications are distinct.
Some people bot but don't RMT, some people RMT but don't bot, but a lot of people who bot RMT (and vice versa). Or to put it another way, those who bot are more likely to RMT, and those who RMT are more likely to bot.
Crippling botting would reduce RMT, and crippling RMT would reduce botting. They are significantly correlated, and thus not orthogonal variables.
From a technical standpoint, bot detection and countermeasures are likely to be the most cost-effective way of going after the whole issue; it's a well-understood problem akin to spam-filtering.
With respect to RMT, since it is basically an exercise in money-laundering, I have suggested to CCP (and will continue to suggest) that they consider engaging an academic forensic accountant to work with Dr. Eyj= -- studying the criminal masterminds of EVE may not only help fight crime in the game but provide insights that are useful in the real world.
This is precisely the wrong approach. This is essentially symptomatic treatment.
Reduce the incentive to bot (Make PVE fun). Reduce the value of botting (make PVE require intelligence).
Both of those will also reduce the incentive to buy ISK: If PVE is fun, people wont need to buy as much ISK, because they'll be having fun making it. And when bot ISK is harder to make, thus scarcer, people wont feel "forced" to buy ISK just to compete.
The problem requires both a holistic approach, and a recognition that there are many ways of generating ISK for RMT that dont require botting, and many people who bot for reasons other than RMTing. Maybe the two issues aren't perfectly orthogonal, but they're no where near perfectly parallel either.
And as a side benefit, adding challenging, unpredictable, involving PVE will in and of itself have a business benefit, since more people will play EVE for that. Even if it does nothing to stop botting, it's justified on its own merits.
Quoting and supporting.
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Corriel
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Corriel on 13/12/2010 19:20:35
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Ordavion
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Posted - 2010.12.13 22:50:00 -
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Yes. Stop the people killing the game
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Jay Wareth
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Posted - 2010.12.13 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: GIGAR Latest devblog was a useless pile of 'politically correct statements', keep smacking CCP in the face about this GIGANTIC EVE PROBLEM.
This. Real answers please, not some PC bull****.
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Zaenna Dark4ngel
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Posted - 2010.12.13 23:12:00 -
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Raider62
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Posted - 2010.12.14 01:26:00 -
[166]
+1
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Target Painter
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Posted - 2010.12.14 10:52:00 -
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I too, wish that every region was filled with actual people who are ratting, exploring, mining, etc., the same people who form up gangs to drive off roamers, who lay traps and countertraps, who basically PLAY ****ING EVE.
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Gallians
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Posted - 2010.12.14 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Malcanis Edited by: Malcanis on 12/12/2010 15:04:44
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Aineko Macx Sorry Treb, but the two are orthogonal, you don't have to bot to rmt, nor is someone who bots forced to rmt. Sure, often they work hand in hand, but the reasons and implications are distinct.
Some people bot but don't RMT, some people RMT but don't bot, but a lot of people who bot RMT (and vice versa). Or to put it another way, those who bot are more likely to RMT, and those who RMT are more likely to bot.
Crippling botting would reduce RMT, and crippling RMT would reduce botting. They are significantly correlated, and thus not orthogonal variables.
From a technical standpoint, bot detection and countermeasures are likely to be the most cost-effective way of going after the whole issue; it's a well-understood problem akin to spam-filtering.
With respect to RMT, since it is basically an exercise in money-laundering, I have suggested to CCP (and will continue to suggest) that they consider engaging an academic forensic accountant to work with Dr. Eyj= -- studying the criminal masterminds of EVE may not only help fight crime in the game but provide insights that are useful in the real world.
This is precisely the wrong approach. This is essentially symptomatic treatment.
Reduce the incentive to bot (Make PVE fun). Reduce the value of botting (make PVE require intelligence).
Both of those will also reduce the incentive to buy ISK: If PVE is fun, people wont need to buy as much ISK, because they'll be having fun making it. And when bot ISK is harder to make, thus scarcer, people wont feel "forced" to buy ISK just to compete.
The problem requires both a holistic approach, and a recognition that there are many ways of generating ISK for RMT that dont require botting, and many people who bot for reasons other than RMTing. Maybe the two issues aren't perfectly orthogonal, but they're no where near perfectly parallel either.
And as a side benefit, adding challenging, unpredictable, involving PVE will in and of itself have a business benefit, since more people will play EVE for that. Even if it does nothing to stop botting, it's justified on its own merits.
Quoting and supporting.
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Al'kanree
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Posted - 2010.12.14 13:02:00 -
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Laice
B4D W0LF Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.14 13:31:00 -
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Ravenator
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Posted - 2010.12.14 14:07:00 -
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Strongly, definitely, urgently supported.
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Da Trader
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Posted - 2010.12.14 14:32:00 -
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I support the investigation
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Mielono
SWARTA
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:20:00 -
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Is there a way to track a single isk? if so, find someone who has recently been caught with a lot of illegal isk and then just watch where it has been.
Originally by: Culmen
A cat is like that carebear who sticks around only while there's food, and at best kills a few rats.A dog F*cking enforces NBSI, and deep down is slightly disappointed you aren't tak |
Root'er
NeoCorteX Industry Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.12.14 20:23:00 -
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supported
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Ahhhhnold
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Posted - 2010.12.14 23:58:00 -
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Spank the botters.
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Xel Set
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Posted - 2010.12.15 00:26:00 -
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.12.15 01:13:00 -
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supporting. it be nice to know your TRYING to kill bots.
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Justin Beaver
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Posted - 2010.12.15 01:14:00 -
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wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.15 04:31:00 -
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Personally, I think they don't care. Occam's Razor, yknow.
But it'd be nice to be wrong.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.12.15 06:13:00 -
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