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Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2012.08.11 15:49:00 -
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I think it would be cool to get a dedicated ORE gas mining ship. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1210
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Posted - 2012.08.11 16:19:00 -
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Cool: yes.
Needed: no.
Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.
Supported: not at this time. |
Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2012.08.11 16:25:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Cool: yes.
Needed: no.
Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.
Supported: not at this time.
not needed more than a "mining frig"? if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol. |
Riku Klayton
Epidemic.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.11 19:34:00 -
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You know this is not such a bad idea. Better than that useless mining frigate... please =)
I support this idea *thumbs up*
- Riku
EDIT: I think you mean the Primae. Which is in some way very useless. They could make that into that gas miner. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1210
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Posted - 2012.08.11 19:52:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Cool: yes.
Needed: no.
Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.
Supported: not at this time. not needed more than a "mining frig"? if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol. Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold" The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones.
As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable. |
Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2012.08.12 20:30:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Cool: yes.
Needed: no.
Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.
Supported: not at this time. not needed more than a "mining frig"? if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol. Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold" The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones. As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable.
But they are replacing the frigs that have mining bonuses and cruisers with mining bonuses with a frig that has a mining bonus... There is NO ship that has a gas role in EVE.
What your saying is "Destroyers do fine salvaging, we dont need the Noctis." What kind of logic is that? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1210
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Posted - 2012.08.12 20:42:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Cool: yes.
Needed: no.
Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.
Supported: not at this time. not needed more than a "mining frig"? if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol. Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold" The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones. As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable. But they are replacing the frigs that have mining bonuses and cruisers with mining bonuses with a frig that has a mining bonus... There is NO ship that has a gas role in EVE. What your saying is "Destroyers do fine salvaging, we dont need the Noctis." What kind of logic is that? We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value.
There's also no ship that gets a bonus to archaeology and hacking.
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Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2012.08.12 20:54:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Lexar Mundi wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Cool: yes.
Needed: no.
Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.
Supported: not at this time. not needed more than a "mining frig"? if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol. Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold" The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones. As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable. But they are replacing the frigs that have mining bonuses and cruisers with mining bonuses with a frig that has a mining bonus... There is NO ship that has a gas role in EVE. What your saying is "Destroyers do fine salvaging, we dont need the Noctis." What kind of logic is that? We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value. There's also no ship that gets a bonus to archaeology and hacking. Oh but there is, it was a free ship given to us one year. The Echelon was a free ship with a Purloined Sansha Codebreaker on it.
Why not stop making free ships for X-mas and make ships that get used...
(Edit) there is also a Zephyer that can't be targeted by sleepers, and a Apotheosis, and the Primae for PI. These are ships they made just to hand out for free once a year thats not counting the ships that got re-colored, like the Special edition shuttle I have and the Iteron Amastris edition and the Quafe ultra edition and finally the Quafe Ultramarine Edition...
They can't make a dedicated gas mining ship?
(second edit) It killed high sec salvage value, my Melted Nano ribbons are doing just fine at 6.7million a piece lol |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1211
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:13:00 -
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The Echelon does not get a bonus to hacking. The only thing it can do is be used in some Incursion sites... not sure which as I don't do them. But regular Hacking it cannot do.
Also, using the gifts as an example is a very bad idea. Do you want a gas mining ships that is totally useless even for its stated task?
The Zepher is outdone by all scanner ships, and cloaked ships won't be attacked by Sleepers anyway. The Apotheosis is just a shuttle. The Primae is useless for anything other than bait/hanger ornament. Even a T1 indie does PI related hauling better. Itterons: No better than the T1 versions, and big bulls eye saying "gank me".
Salvage: Yes you are correct, I did forget that for the most part, WH salvage has survived the plummet of value.
I would much prefer CCP finish all the other things they are working on before adding another ship that will just need to be balanced after a few days. |
Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:13:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:The Echelon does not get a bonus to hacking. The only thing it can do is be used in some Incursion sites... not sure which as I don't do them. But regular Hacking it cannot do.
Also, using the gifts as an example is a very bad idea. Do you want a gas mining ships that is totally useless even for its stated task?
The Zepher is outdone by all scanner ships, and cloaked ships won't be attacked by Sleepers anyway. The Apotheosis is just a shuttle. The Primae is useless for anything other than bait/hanger ornament. Even a T1 indie does PI related hauling better. Itterons: No better than the T1 versions, and big bulls eye saying "gank me".
Salvage: Yes you are correct, I did forget that for the most part, WH salvage has survived the plummet of value.
I would much prefer CCP finish all the other things they are working on before adding another ship that will just need to be balanced after a few days. I'm not even fond of the free things. A much better holiday gift would be to have crimewatch, V3, ship rebalance, FW, POS, null tech finished/fixed... pick any of those. But another ship? Not needed.
That's my point, they waste time on these ships that do literally nothing...
I figured if they would have time to do that why not make a ship that is useful, instead of an empty hull that never gets used. |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1211
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:23:00 -
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I see.
Yeah, if they insist on doing ships, a gas miner that was useful rather than a gift that only says "gank me" would be nice.
I'd still rather they focus on finishing/fixing.
If they want to do a holiday gift, just make snowballs available again. NPCs can sell them (isk sinc) or they can be made from ice stuff, whatever. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
140
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:40:00 -
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There will be hacking frigates and possibly T2 versions: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143584&find=unread
As for larger ORE, I plan on making a proposal of my own later. I will want them to have a gas harvester bonus. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:16:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: . . . The Zepher is outdone by all scanner ships, and cloaked ships won't be attacked by Sleepers anyway. . . .
Sleeper sites can be rather heavy on decloak hazards though... |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
142
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Posted - 2012.08.14 00:22:00 -
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Ah, Zephers. Mostly they are fun for testing the water in W-Space on Sisi. |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:10:00 -
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A gaz harvesting ship should adress some of the specificity of gaz mining: -Slow yield. An average ladar sites in nullsec containing 3000 units of gaz takes 3h20 to deplete to a single pilot with perfect skills (not counting implants and fleet boost). Largest clouds contains 9000 units, which takes 10 man-hout to harvest completely. -High volume. A unit of nullsec gaz is 10 m3. That's 30 000 m3 for an average gas cloud in nullsec. -Surviving ability: Be it from gaz clouds explosions, spawning NPCs or hostile players (most ladar sites are in nullsec and wormholes), battlecruiser sized-tank is usually required. Being able to take on small spawns of NPCs would be a nice ability, as it's currently hard to fit weapons with 5 turret slots reserved to harvesters. A reduction to the risk of gas cloud explosion (like the old skiff had for mercoxit) may serve such a purpose, but would also put the player in a more dangerous situation, as gaz cloud explosions are a fine way to defend yourself against a tackling frigate. |
Aren Valle
Lonetrek Mineral Corporation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.29 22:45:00 -
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Even something as simple as a new rig type geared toward gas cycle times would be a huge benefit and more in-line with the specialization rigs for ice and mercoxit. |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
181
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:02:00 -
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Take the Noctis. Remove the two rectangular cargo hold thingies flanking the ship near the engines and replace them with some kind of cylindrical/spherical "Gas Tanks". Example
Move 4 of the high slots to low slots. (Lore states the hull is an armour tanker) Remove salvager/tractor beam bonuses Give the ship a 10% bonus to Gas Harvester yield (4 become effectively 6 at level 5 Ore Industrial Skill) Give the ship a suitable secondary bonus (tank or something) Give the ship a 75m drone bay with 50M/bit bandwidth and introduce gas harvesting drones. Give the ship a small cargo hold and large Gas bay (approx 5000-10000m3)
Done. It's only a little better than using a BC and requires very little work. |
Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
7
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:39:00 -
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how about that you just do a T2 version of the noctis that is specialized in gas harvesting or something?
And seems that I wasnt the only one thinking this xD
And to make it more fun they should add nice new graphics also for the t2 ship so it would look like a gas harvester rather than a regular noctis. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
14
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:19:00 -
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this may be interesting but ide wait for the mining frig to come out as i have a feeling that may actualy not be to bad for gas mining if not then could be interesting to get a specilised gas miner as ccp seem to be heading into this kinda thing more and more |
Gypsio III
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:24:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value.
Indeed. So what will happen if a dedicated gas miner is introduced? Gas supply goes up, prices fall and gas mining profitability remains about the same.
The only actual changes would be to require people to sink SP into the dedicated gas miner, and to increase the hassle of moving gas to market, as the larger volumes of gas are now worth less. The best griefing is when people ask for it themselves. |
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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:09:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value.
Indeed. So what will happen if a dedicated gas miner is introduced? Gas supply goes up, prices fall and gas mining profitability remains about the same. The only actual changes would be to require people to sink SP into the dedicated gas miner, and to increase the hassle of moving gas to market, as the larger volumes of gas are now worth less. The best griefing is when people ask for it themselves.
this.
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Rio Bravo
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1
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Posted - 2012.09.13 20:21:00 -
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Seems reasonable to have a dedicated gas miner. Shabby to have a mining ship with combat bonuses on it...seems kind of hack. Nothing like a company coming in to do a job with a jury-rigged, improvised piece of machinery. If its that important a job, someone will have made a dedicated tool for it. Maybe high sec gas Amber Mikocerosin for drugs isn't all that important to most, but when your in Null or worse, in a WH looking over your shoulder while pulling out clouds for T3 ship production, every second counts. a couple extra minutes of D-scan checking can mean be the difference between survival and profit, or death and revenue loss. Noctis didn't ruin the game, just made cleaning up easier. Lowered the prices, not by much, of buying meta equipment cheaper for us maybe. There was a need and people built a ship to meet that need. Reflections of real life... There are people who mine gas for a living. Gas is the one frontier of mining that I feel CCP could do more in. I like the idea of creating a T2 version of the Noctis model to give gas bonuses to. Or a whole new ship. The criticism I have heard about it is kind of limp, the argument is basically...'I don't mine or mine gas, so it's something the game doesn't need'. So far seen some maller fits, domi fits, ferox fits, and a scad of other renovated ships that just do an 'adequate' job at bringing in nebulas to market. I am not saying to make replicas of all three barges, (one for durability, cargo, and yeild) just saying nice to have a ship built for the job. And believe it or not, if your flying a T3 like a tengu or a loki, someone risked thier lives and crew to get the gas for your level 4 mission run or gate camp.
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Andy Landen
Exploring Eagles
65
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:39:00 -
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Gas cloud harvester ship should have 5 turret slots to take full advantage of the Skill trained to level 5 and allowing 5 harvesters. It should have 20% reduction in the gas cycle time and 100% to gas amount similar to the venture. It should have 5% to shield hp and resists per level just like the skiff. The gas hold should be 15k m3 like the skiff's ore hold. It should be a variation of the noctis hull using the ore skill to fly it. |
neled irabnim
Mining Industry Exile Foundation Black Core Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.12.13 14:36:00 -
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Venture: +5% to mining yield per level +5% to gas harvesting yield per level
+100% to mining yield +100% to gas harvesting yield
Cargo capacity: 50 Ore hold: 5000
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, with 2 turrets
With the 100% gas yield bonus you get 4 gas harvesters with two turrets, I assume, since I have not used the ship yet. Only problem may be the ore hold of 5000 m3.
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Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:11:00 -
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neled irabnim wrote:Venture: +5% to mining yield per level +5% to gas harvesting yield per level
+100% to mining yield +100% to gas harvesting yield
Cargo capacity: 50 Ore hold: 5000
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, with 2 turrets
With the 100% gas yield bonus you get 4 gas harvesters with two turrets, I assume, since I have not used the ship yet. Only problem may be the ore hold of 5000 m3.
atm with the new gas ship with the frig trained up to level 5 i hear it's better than mining with the BCs even though they use 5 harvs on them. The ore bay is ok for C2 sites but for the C4s and up where i hear they have larger gas sites so they may have to take more than one trip.
Over all I'm kinda happy about the Venture, not excited but happy lol |
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