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lodik
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Posted - 2010.12.11 22:25:00 -
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So I'm looking to fit a loki out in the next few days when support skills train up anyway was wondering why everyone uses the scoping array instead of the turret concurrence when the turret concurrence seems to give better bonuses?
Anyway im planning on doing a shield buffer loki with web bonus anyone have a decent fit?
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2010.12.11 22:56:00 -
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5x 220mm Vulcan AC 1x Small Neut II
2x LSE II 2x Invul II 1x 10MN MWD II 1x Rep. Fleet Warp Disrupt
2x Gyro II 1x DC II 1x PDU II
3x Med Core Def Field Extender II
Adaptive Shielding Tactical Targeting Network Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Projectile Scoping Array Chassis Optimization
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I like that.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.11 23:26:00 -
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If I were to guess, because the scoping array gives more damage and gives a more appropriate range bonus (adding optimal to guns that rely more of falloff than on optimal isà wellà suboptimal). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
lodik
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Posted - 2010.12.11 23:28:00 -
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true but the scoping only gives 35% faster shots while the other i mentioned gives 50% more damage and optimal.
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Fenren
Minmatar Bure Astro Photography
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Posted - 2010.12.11 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Fenren on 11/12/2010 23:35:16
Originally by: lodik true but the scoping only gives 35% faster shots while the other i mentioned gives 50% more damage and optimal.
what good is the optimal bonus for falloff weaponry? besides, you get a dronebay too.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.11 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: lodik true but the scoping only gives 35% faster shots while the other i mentioned gives 50% more damage and optimal.
It's 37.5% faster shots, actually, and that equates to 60% more damage (1/0.625), and again, if you're going increase a number by 50%, would you rather it was a small number (your optimal) or a large number (your falloff)?
The concurrence registry might have some use if you're building a dedicated artillery fit ù they tend to have a somewhat decent optimal to build on and thrive on high alpha, which is helped by that damage bonus ù but unless you're making sure always to be in optimal range (meaning you forgo the nice falloff all projectile weapons get), chances are you'll do less damage in the end anyway. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Hooligan Tool
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.12 02:12:00 -
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[Loki, Pointy Stick] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Medium Energy Neutralizer II
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Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5
49,700 EHP 645 DPS, 729 DPS heated (RF EMP/PP/Fusion ammo, Warrior IIs) 530 DPS, 598 DPS heated (Barrage ammo, Warrior IIs) Disrupt at 24km, 28.8km heated Web at 25km, 32.5km heated Cap: 3M 30S w/o Neut, 1M 33S w/ Neut ----- Ambush. Hit and run. Gank before tank. Speed is life. |
Target Painter
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Posted - 2010.12.12 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Target Painter on 12/12/2010 02:30:24
Originally by: lodik true but the scoping only gives 35% faster shots while the other i mentioned gives 50% more damage and optimal.
Autocannons are focused on falloff and DPS as opposed to optimal and alpha. Boosting an AC's optimal gives it like half a kilometer more range. Boosting falloff extends it to ludicrous ranges (44km with two TEs).
Also, there is the secondary advantage of the PSA having space for two flights of light drones, with appropriate bandwidth. Most people use this bay for one flight of Warrior 2s and one flight of EC-300s. The TCR gives you 0 dronebay, meaning there is the possibility of a solo frig brawling you down.
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eek amouse
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Posted - 2010.12.12 04:52:00 -
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better to armor tank with the web subsystem imo, if you're making a fleet/gang boat. two webs, point and propulsion. 2x gyros, 2x 1600 plates, 2x eanm. |
lodik
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Posted - 2010.12.12 07:34:00 -
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OK cool good info I just wanted to know because i tlooked liek more dps on paper plus the subsystem makes it look cool (=
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lodik
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Posted - 2010.12.12 07:47:00 -
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So in this case arty gor concurrence auto cans go scoping
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.12 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: lodik So in this case arty gor concurrence auto cans go scoping
Na the other way.
Arty with scoping array cause it has good falloff and decent DPS, and has drones for smaller stuff
Registry for enhanced tracking = good for gate camping or taking on lots of frigs
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Target Painter
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Posted - 2010.12.12 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: lodik So in this case arty gor concurrence auto cans go scoping
Yes.
Originally by: Headerman snip
You are better than this.
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LordInvisible
Gallente Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2010.12.12 15:55:00 -
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[Loki, Loki] Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
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Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Hornet II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Downgrade on items where u need so save iskies. Work wonders with slave set. 274k EHP, 1.7km/s, 530dps, cap lasts for 2 minutes, OMG resists.. Not really cheap tho, but u can always downgrade modules to save iskies.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that |
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