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Santa Cluasewitz
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:12:00 -
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Vague useless crap. CCP trying to shut up the 50 thousand people who read the RMT uncovered articles.
This "devblog" can be summed up with "catching botters is hard m'kay!"
It's not like they sit in the same systems every day logging on after downtime ratting the same belts for 23.5 hrs a day. On wait most of them do. Just write a script to see who made a billion isk ratting the last week and look at their activity.
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mechtech
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:29:00 -
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Bots =/= RMT. This is where CCP is not seeing correctly.
They are both a problem, but most of us are more concerned about people who use bots for personal (or corp/alliance) gain vs 1T isk sitting in holding accounts.
We need a targetted effort against botting. Who cares if it's for RMT, for personal gain, or just because someone likes cheating, bots need to be targeted and eliminated to the best of CCPs ability.
Also, many botters get 3 day bans, this is not enough. Take isk away, even take SP away, temp bans are not enough for the first offence.
Most bots use client injection. This is a client security hole and needs to be fixed. This would be the first step towards fighting bots, not just RMT.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.16 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 16/12/2010 09:11:42
Originally by: Jaqel Broadside CCP has some real problems. They code in Python yet the tools being used to bot are most likely coming from Microsoft - which can be programmed in Visual Basic, C#, j#, C++ and some new meta languages like F# - and in fact they all compile to one machine independant code base.
I don't code in Python but I imagine it doesn't support the Microsfot tools directly. Python will ALWAYS be several steps behind simply because of the huge platform Microsoft caters for.
Some suggestions perhaps are better not posted on a public forum - but I also wouldn't dream of trying to teach grandma how to suck eggs,, grandma knows very well what a mouth with no teeth can do.
But THE biggest suggestion I can make is get in touch with Microsoft as I am pretty sure other software vendors have faced the same problem and, seeing as the tools are coming from Microsoft's own code libraries I'm pretty sure they will help CCP out.
argh.... you're totally wrong (well you might be right about you're grandma but that's sth I can't really comment on).
Choice of programming language does not matter at all.
The stupid "macro/OCR" approach to bots is always technically possible (if you allow multitasking).
Hooking into other applications is something that is handled by the operating system and is possible in every desktop OS if you have admin privileges (because it is a functionality that is necessary for debugging tools).
Now, Python can make it easier to hook into the client without going low-level but as the popular toolkit for botting authors advertises support for Age of Conan, EVE Online, EverQuest, EverQuest II, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, ... (i.e. doesn't require Python and just uses plain Windows APIs) I doubt many people make use of this "weakness".
People like to write code in C# or VB because it is easy (compared to C/C++) and because Visual Studio (Express) is such a nice (free as in beer) IDE.
But if you are going to write a bot "from scratch" you'll end up calling the Win32 API (for which every major porgramming language provides wrappers) all the time and won't make much use of the .NET libraries.
Language does not matter. Neither on the client's nor on the bot's end.
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Jaqel Broadside
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Posted - 2010.12.16 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II Stuff
The Macro process you describe should be easy to spot.
It's just a matter of knowing if the call was made internally by the client or not, then it is game over for all botting activity.
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Max Cetera
Capital Researchs Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:33:00 -
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How to catch botters 101:
1. Release some small "client fix" patches that won't touch anything important and keep injection-bot without any update needed. 2. After a few normal patches, release the "Bot Trap" one as client fix #3 3. In that patch, duplicate all calls used by "mainstream" injection-bots : - Client is changed to use all the new ones - Old ones still produce the same effect on the game, except they send a warning about it to the server
Wait 1-2 weeks, temp ban everyone who ran a bot, but perma ban the bot farms running 23 hours a day.
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Jaqel Broadside
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Max Cetera How to catch botters 101:
1. Release some small "client fix" patches that won't touch anything important and keep injection-bot without any update needed. 2. After a few normal patches, release the "Bot Trap" one as client fix #3 3. In that patch, duplicate all calls used by "mainstream" injection-bots : - Client is changed to use all the new ones - Old ones still produce the same effect on the game, except they send a warning about it to the server
Wait 1-2 weeks, temp ban everyone who ran a bot, but perma ban the bot farms running 23 hours a day.
If there are any "Temp" bans then I want my money back for the last x years thank you for not having a game worth paying for.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 16/12/2010 16:05:30 Edited by: Cyaxares II on 16/12/2010 15:59:20
Originally by: Jaqel Broadside
Originally by: Cyaxares II Stuff
The Macro process you describe should be easy to spot.
It's just a matter of knowing if the call was made internally by the client or not, then it is game over for all botting activity.
I think I am out of this discussion.
I freely admit that my knowledge of computer security is a bit sketchy (but then I am an economics grad student) - however, from my POV the only way you could enforce your idea of "how things should be" would be in hardware.
Your ideas require the operating system to lock down the computer nearly completely and require hardware to secure the operating system (hello Blue Pill).
Of course that's the exact opposite of the purpose of a personal computer.
So if you think "lockdown" is the solution to bots (or any sort of malware) I invite you to stop using PCs and switch to console games (and witness how even the most complicated "protection" schemes do eventually fall to the ingenuity of hackers).
edit: if you would think through your ideas ("if I do x an intelligent bot author would do y, so I would have to do z to prevent that, ...") you would re-discover Trusted Computing after very few steps. By that point you would hopefully realize that even if you think Trusted Computing is a good idea it is a completely unrealistic goal given the culture that has developed around general-purpose "personal" computers.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.12.16 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II I freely admit that my knowledge of computer security is a bit sketchy (but then I am an economics grad student) - however, from my POV the only way you could enforce your idea of "how things should be" would be in hardware.
Not even there. Any virtual machine can simulate any hardware. You can make assumptions about speed and rule a few bits out that way, but over the interweb that's a bit tricky to do so.
The effect of punkbuster and friends is not caused by them being able to detect stuff. (PB works for 2 days for popular cheats, then those cheats are updated) The effect comes from the heads of folk that think PB _might_ catch them. You create an environment where only those who want to leave the game anyway would use it. (And a few idiots. Brains are funny things.)
As a result you wont scare RMTs off with that. But I would be very surprised to see somebody risk his accounts to maintain sov with botted ISK. It's a bit counter productive the fight over space, just to lose it because you could not convice your alliance members to pay for it.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:15:00 -
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For those who are promoting tools such as PunkBuster as anti-cheat measures, remember that even those tools can be fooled and it isn't particularly difficult to do so. Even Valve's VAC system can be bypassed.
VAC does a pretty good job, but it never catches the recent tricks and is always a few steps behind the cheaters. It does make things trickier, but not impossible. Given that there are communities out there that share information on bypassing these systems, it wouldn't take long for the Eve bot creators to be active again.
Perhaps this is the reason why CCP hasn't already implemented these measures. It would be a large cost for them for a minimal return on the investment, then you have ongoing maintenance costs as well.
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Dawn Harbinger
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:26:00 -
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I understand the difficulty in addressing such a convoluted problem, but I would like to see this become a top priority for CCP and the CSM.
After all, what's the point in playing when a bunch of cheaters and crooks are running the show?
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:43:00 -
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It was a pleasent change to see (for the first time- never read it confirmed by CCP before) that Market bots are acknowledged. These buggers are the ones that really hurt the game and stop any sort of 'open-sandbox free economy'. Some of the earlier bots were easy to spot )and indeed fool quickly into making their owners large losses. However, they have got better and now are harder to detect. However, they must be accessing live API (?) or something also, as they are actived across multiple commodities at any one time. Why have live API...delayed is surely safer and as usable...???
The real problem with RMT'ers is that CCP are relatively powerless to stop them OUTSIDE of the game. I have reported one active on Ebay, who I estimate has made in excess of ú20,000 from selling isk the 'safe way'. It would be easy to stop this fella....contacting him covertly via MSN posing as a customer, enact a transaction and await the character trading within game. Once this info is known, other accounts etc linked can be banned.
Why just a 3 day ban or warning? Perma-bans surely much more effective :)
Forgive the ramblings...
Arithron Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel The Pink Bunny Test is the last, best hope for banning macros, here is how it works:
1) Allow GMs to turn off mining modules (and only mining modules) 2) Allow GMs to minimize all active windows. 3) Allow GMs to spawn a Pink Bunny over the module buttons. 4) Allow GMs to open a chat box irrespective of client restrictions directly above the modules 5) If the player reactivates their modules then bot, otherwise enjoy the funny conversation which will follow.
6. Bot program, seeing something on the screen it cannot handle, brings the offending screen to the front and sounds an alarm so the bot manager can deal with it.
This would stop simple "timed" macros, the more basic bots, and the bots run afk (but even those could just simulate a DC, leaving suspicion, but no proof). But the actively managed bot farms (30+ per person, person always there to handle issues) will keep right on grinding.
Now if we could have a webcam looking at the keyboard....
The difference here is that the Macro doesn't have to handle ANYTHING, but a player would react. ====================================== Want isk? So does everyone in Jita, so leave before they get yours. ====================================== |
Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Arithron It was a pleasent change to see (for the first time- never read it confirmed by CCP before) that Market bots are acknowledged. These buggers are the ones that really hurt the game and stop any sort of 'open-sandbox free economy'. Some of the earlier bots were easy to spot )and indeed fool quickly into making their owners large losses. However, they have got better and now are harder to detect. However, they must be accessing live API (?) or something also, as they are actived across multiple commodities at any one time. Why have live API...delayed is surely safer and as usable...???
What market bots are you talking about? I personally play games by listing 2-3 orders of the same good, and penny everytime someone pennies me. Or do you mean something else?
AG ====================================== Want isk? So does everyone in Jita, so leave before they get yours. ====================================== |
Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:19:00 -
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These are the bots that buy a commodity and resell at 0.01 isk below top sell within 5 seconds of the sale and then match other players (or bots!) till product sells...across multiple products, so watching for 12 hrs straight and dropping 0.01 isk to match competitors vwery difficult (I have teamed up to find and watch such activity on some known bot characters). Behaviour is getting better at mimicing human players...so they obviously feel detectable...
Also, drop the skill that allows one to post a large buy order (margin trading) without the isk to back it up is used often by bots...(but a few canny marketeers use it also!). Personally, I can't see the point of it tbh.
Arithron
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Bhattran on 16/12/2010 20:02:18
Originally by: Arithron These are the bots that buy a commodity and resell at 0.01 isk below top sell within 5 seconds of the sale and then match other players (or bots!) till product sells...across multiple products, so watching for 12 hrs straight and dropping 0.01 isk to match competitors vwery difficult (I have teamed up to find and watch such activity on some known bot characters). Behaviour is getting better at mimicing human players...so they obviously feel detectable...
Also, drop the skill that allows one to post a large buy order (margin trading) without the isk to back it up is used often by bots...(but a few canny marketeers use it also!). Personally, I can't see the point of it tbh.
Arithron
It's a trap to see how greedy and superior some people think they are to others. If you think the sell order for x at blank above their 'real' value when those are the only significant quantities available anywhere isn't a trap for the buy order with a minimum of Y units of X or somewhere very near the number of X units for sale at the outrageous price.
The real reason is you can try to buy more than you can 'afford' at the moment as you can't/don't realistically get your orders filled unless you overpay which you wouldn't do on a buy order 99% of the time. As part of that you could have things up for sale so while your order is being filled your cash replenishes or you make more isk other ways, contracts, missions etc, the buy orders you can't afford allow you to utilize isk in more lucrative ways than being denied your isk without getting the item.
TLDR: I've never been a victim of this scam and I've never done it to anyone but I like that it exists.
EDITED to add:
This blog stinks and the numerous ideas/suggestions put forward by members show that CCP hasn't spent much if any time fighting botting but rather 'react' to RMT bot accounts. Instead of trying to make the botters jobs harder by changing how the client works/accepts data etc they simply ban accounts if they manage to figure out they are a bot, at least according to them, but probably they only do that if RMT can be traced back to the account.
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
gfldex
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Posted - 2010.12.17 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel What market bots are you talking about?
Those maybe?
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.12.17 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Arithron contacting him covertly via MSN posing as a customer, enact a transaction and await the character trading within game. Once this info is known, other accounts etc linked can be banned.
That wouldn't work in germany. In fact, call the police or leave them alone.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.12.17 00:54:00 -
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You can got to google video search and look for "eve ratting bot" to see those in action too.
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lateralvelocity
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Posted - 2010.12.17 03:30:00 -
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I am glad to see a response. I have personally reported and seen macroers banned. And I believe it is best to be very sure it is a macro before you drop the ban hammer, that isn't easy, in some cases.
The key is getting them reported even if they happen to be in your own alliance or an allies.
I expect some attention in the Insmother, scalding pass etherium reach area may be fruitfull. Its an uphill battle but every banned account helps.
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2010.12.17 06:18:00 -
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Let me play this all out for you.
1) I drop my hiroshima on kugu
2) I sit back and flex
3) Events unfold like this devblog.
4) The inevitable happens next.
5) CCP is forced into dealing with it.
Now for the peak behind the scenes. Does anyone recall what got the AOE DD removed from the game? There was a single event that was tipping point in CCP's mind. That event was the mass DDing in 49-U. Where PL/Goon/NC displayed how overpowered the mechanic was and to what lengths they were willing to go to prove it.
Well I have seeded such an event as well. There are literally untold amounts of players now acquiring macros and bots. It has been illustrated to them how easy it is and CCP lack of commitment to stop it thus far empowers the player to go forth.
As a capitalistic business CCP is only concerned with a quality product in so much as what maximizes profitability. So therefore there expenditures on quality and control will always stay within the bounds of forecasted effort for profits. In order to reach the result in which I feel most desire we must push things to a tipping point. At which point there hand is forced.
Dear CCP Im controlling your game and Ive just set the stage for 5 moves ahead.
PS checkmate
♥ Manny
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Sister Hypatia
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Posted - 2010.12.17 07:37:00 -
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It's a shame what bot topics die without creating a threadnought. No one really cares? If so, the CCP can still do nothing and you Manny fail.
Also - there is no bot in this system - just hunting without a pause
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Zomg Panties
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Posted - 2010.12.17 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 14/12/2010 08:54:42
Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: Datcorinna Erunde For your convenience the great Wollari even colored the shown systems accordingly to the amount of the occured kills. He colored it from white (like "almost nothing") via green, yellow, orange up to a fine, perfect visible shiny red (like "unusually high occurance of NPC kills in this very system OMG OMG!!!!!!11111" or, more fitting "look here CCP, here are the bots!").
Third party tools to the rescue...again.
Indeed. Heres what 15 minutes effort shows.....
Time to name and shame - these are the 15 most blatant botting systems in the game and if CCP can't deal with it then its time to pack up and find another game :
8OYE-Z : Cache (SOLAR WING) Y-OMTZ : Delve (IT Alliance) G2-INZ : Esoteria (Stainless) HHQ-M1 : Esoteria (Stainless) ROJ-B0 : Insmother (RED Citizens) VBPT-T : Insmother (RED Citizens) Y-770C : Oasa (Legion of xXDEATHXx) RO-AIQ : Oasa (Shadow of xXDEATHXx) G-B3PR : Omist (White Angels) UC-8XF : Outer Passage (Shadow of xXDEATHXx) F-HQWV : Perrigen Falls (SOLAR FLEET) W-IIYI : Querious (IT Alliance) WIW-X8 : The Spire (SOLAR FLEET) HM-UVD : Stain (AAA/AAA Citizens) 4F89-U : Wicked Creek (The Jagged Alliance)
Oh and as an observation - looks like some alliances got told to stop botting for a while about 24 hours ago. Its very very clear when you look at the dotlan maps - pretty much all ratting activity ceased in certain eastern regions at exactly the same time.
I laugh at how NC calls out there enemies because they failed to take southern territories.
based on your lack of blatant proof/evidence and you're ignorance is unbelievable.... Like do you even have any viable proof to pull thesesystems out of your mouth, or did you pull it out of your ass because you feel you have to compensate for something? who the hell knows
what a complete joke lol
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Abinadi9
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Posted - 2010.12.17 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 14/12/2010 08:54:42
Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: Datcorinna Erunde For your convenience the great Wollari even colored the shown systems accordingly to the amount of the occured kills. He colored it from white (like "almost nothing") via green, yellow, orange up to a fine, perfect visible shiny red (like "unusually high occurance of NPC kills in this very system OMG OMG!!!!!!11111" or, more fitting "look here CCP, here are the bots!").
Third party tools to the rescue...again.
Indeed. Heres what 15 minutes effort shows.....
Time to name and shame - these are the 15 most blatant botting systems in the game and if CCP can't deal with it then its time to pack up and find another game :
8OYE-Z : Cache (SOLAR WING) Y-OMTZ : Delve (IT Alliance) G2-INZ : Esoteria (Stainless) HHQ-M1 : Esoteria (Stainless) ROJ-B0 : Insmother (RED Citizens) VBPT-T : Insmother (RED Citizens) Y-770C : Oasa (Legion of xXDEATHXx) RO-AIQ : Oasa (Shadow of xXDEATHXx) G-B3PR : Omist (White Angels) UC-8XF : Outer Passage (Shadow of xXDEATHXx) F-HQWV : Perrigen Falls (SOLAR FLEET) W-IIYI : Querious (IT Alliance) WIW-X8 : The Spire (SOLAR FLEET) HM-UVD : Stain (AAA/AAA Citizens) 4F89-U : Wicked Creek (The Jagged Alliance)
Oh and as an observation - looks like some alliances got told to stop botting for a while about 24 hours ago. Its very very clear when you look at the dotlan maps - pretty much all ratting activity ceased in certain eastern regions at exactly the same time.
Othran,
Why don't you actually post from a main and not hide behind your alt. Looks like you don't want to list any systems from NC...
K-6SNI Morsus W-UQA5 Morsus XF-PWO Rage IR-DYY Rage RVCZ-C Rage 05R-7A Majesta S6QX-N OWN 3-QYVE Razor SV-K8J Razor 8MG-J6 Brick Squad
So while these are 10 systems in the NC, when you have a bunch of people running the anomalies, it's not that hard to have it show up on a map in relatively unused and undeveloped space. This is by far, NOT PROOF, that anyone from NC/IT/AAA/WN/RA/SW/XIX or at the very least TJA is cheating. Anyone from CCP can contact The Jagged Alliance and look at if we're macro ratting, we invite it. So keyboard general, next time - man up - and post on your main.
Abinadi9 The Jagged Alliance Diplomat
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.12.17 10:14:00 -
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From Dev Blog
Quote: PLEX is available on our website in handy packages of various sizes and once redeemed it can be traded for ISK on a fluid player driven in-game market.
"You can have any amount of plex you want, as long as its in multiple of 2" is what should have been said
GTCS, -60 day ones, can bought in any number you want. But plex however can only be acquired via a 60 day gtc. Which converts into 2 plex.
If CCP wants to compete with the RMTers they need to give a cheaper option. RMT isk is available at a lower price, and while CCP cant control the in game market (and therefore the $ to isk ratio) they can control the minimum amout of $$ a person needs to spend to get isk (plex being the middleman).
CCP why dont you either A:) have an option to buy 1 plex at a time, or B) resume selling 30d gtcs? Prospecting! |
Stratego
Ad Infernum
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Posted - 2010.12.17 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Abinadi9
Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 14/12/2010 08:54:42
Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: Datcorinna Erunde For your convenience the great Wollari even colored the shown systems accordingly to the amount of the occured kills. He colored it from white (like "almost nothing") via green, yellow, orange up to a fine, perfect visible shiny red (like "unusually high occurance of NPC kills in this very system OMG OMG!!!!!!11111" or, more fitting "look here CCP, here are the bots!").
Third party tools to the rescue...again.
Indeed. Heres what 15 minutes effort shows.....
Time to name and shame - these are the 15 most blatant botting systems in the game and if CCP can't deal with it then its time to pack up and find another game :
STUFF
Oh and as an observation - looks like some alliances got told to stop botting for a while about 24 hours ago. Its very very clear when you look at the dotlan maps - pretty much all ratting activity ceased in certain eastern regions at exactly the same time.
Othran,
Why don't you actually post from a main and not hide behind your alt. Looks like you don't want to list any systems from NC...
STUFF
So while these are 10 systems in the NC, when you have a bunch of people running the anomalies, it's not that hard to have it show up on a map in relatively unused and undeveloped space. This is by far, NOT PROOF, that anyone from NC/IT/AAA/WN/RA/SW/XIX or at the very least TJA is cheating. Anyone from CCP can contact The Jagged Alliance and look at if we're macro ratting, we invite it. So keyboard general, next time - man up - and post on your main.
Abinadi9 The Jagged Alliance Diplomat
I find it interesting that almost noone seems to be capable of reading...
Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 14/12/2010 15:24:59
Originally by: Soma Khan nc alt detected. indeed
Nice try but no. Last alliance I was in was BDEAL, didn't suit me, left 5 months ago. I don't do PVE at all, took me a while to realise that PVE was the entire point of sov 0.0 - and it is
I can pick out systems up North that are just as suspicious - its just that these 15 are ones where there's little to no argument to be had about occupancy levels being the reason. That's the reason for these.
Oh and its worth noting that Dotlan goes back a LOT further than 48 hours......
So yeah, i looked at the same values, the easiest to spot system without a doubt, but if you guys want to NerdRage about this sure go on ahead. :) CAOD is this way btw...
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.12.17 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Sideous As a capitalistic business CCP is only concerned with a quality product in so much as what maximizes profitability. So therefore there expenditures on quality and control will always stay within the bounds of forecasted effort for profits.
I doubt that's the reason why they act as horrible as they tend to do. But it's for sure a nice excuse they can use to justify their actions. There are plenty of such excuses for their choosing. So I doubt it not for being a reason but for being a less strong excuse then the following:
"EVE is just not everybodies game."
"We are creating an online world, not a computer game." (Notice the nice contradiction that indicates cognitive dissonance.
"With a single sharded game you can't replicate WoWs success."
"There used to be only 5000 players on the server!" (Read: we started really really low and didn't improve much.)
"Our subscriber base is constantly growing!" (How many of them are bots and/or alts? How the _player_ base looks like (and feels) would be the proper question.)
Remember, cognitive dissonance is the most powerfull force on this planet. (Hi Obama! We are still waiting for that change!)
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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2010.12.17 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lili Lu on 17/12/2010 23:02:28
Originally by: gfldex Remember, cognitive dissonance is the most powerfull force on this planet. (Hi Obama! We are still waiting for that change!)
First part of that statment fair enough hyperbole. Second part is your opinion on entirely urelated matter, and in no way an example of anything.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.12.18 00:17:00 -
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I looked at a few of those high kill systems and I noticed that not only did they have alot of kills, they also had alot of jumps.
I also remember hearing that once a system is suitably upgraded, it has an unending supply of anomalies to run. Which means that system becomes magnet for ratters.
So just looking at the plots, I find several possibilities:
1 There are a pile of bots in there, killing and hauling loot. 2 The bots are killing, but players come in to do the hauling. 3 Players, knowing its a good system to rat in, fly there, run a few anomalies, then go home. 4 Some mixture of all of the above.
So just looking at Dotlan I cannot conclude its bots, there is another possibility. But CCP has more complete logs, they should have a much better idea.
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Konoch
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.18 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Abinadi9
Othran,
Why don't you actually post from a main and not hide behind your alt. Looks like you don't want to list any systems from NC...
K-6SNI Morsus W-UQA5 Morsus XF-PWO Rage IR-DYY Rage RVCZ-C Rage 05R-7A Majesta S6QX-N OWN 3-QYVE Razor SV-K8J Razor 8MG-J6 Brick Squad
So while these are 10 systems in the NC, when you have a bunch of people running the anomalies, it's not that hard to have it show up on a map in relatively unused and undeveloped space. This is by far, NOT PROOF, that anyone from NC/IT/AAA/WN/RA/SW/XIX or at the very least TJA is cheating. Anyone from CCP can contact The Jagged Alliance and look at if we're macro ratting, we invite it. So keyboard general, next time - man up - and post on your main.
Abinadi9 The Jagged Alliance Diplomat
I understand the tone of this post because i'm in one of those systems on a rather often basis for just that purpose. I can't say for the non RAGE systems however i am more than willing to provide proof of a Non-Bot presence in all three of the RAGE systems mentioned here should such proof be necessary. Actually the story behind one is a nice tale. If CCP wants to lurk and watch that's fine with us. We're just isking up for the next big thing.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.12.18 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lili Lu
Find a politics thread on some other forum and jerk yourself silly on it.
You mean psychology thread. Well, politics is framed by psychology more then any other profession ofc.
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