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Candyspy
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:20:00 -
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I understand some of the differences but why does the Slepnir have like twice the powergrid (seriously about double)? They can fit an x-large shield booster but a nighthawk can't? Does not compute. Just curious.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:40:00 -
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Because Nighthawk is Caldari and Sleipnir is not.
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Merwe
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:55:00 -
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Roughly 600 powergrid for 6 heavy launchers while around 1000 powergrid for 7 425mm autocannons |
Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:03:00 -
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Don't forget the general consensus amongst the most esteemed ships and fittings posters is that a XL Shield booster Nighthawk would be terribly overpowered but the Sleipnir is not, even though the Sleipnir has TWO extra turrets over its tier one counterpart to go with its dual damage bonus even though the Caldari and Amarr ones lose a hardpoint.
In fact the Sleip is pretty damn OP compared to the rest of the field command line up and should be the standard for the class not the exception.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank Don't forget the general consensus amongst the most esteemed ships and fittings posters is that a XL Shield booster Nighthawk would be terribly overpowered but the Sleipnir is not, even though the Sleipnir has TWO extra turrets over its tier one counterpart to go with its dual damage bonus even though the Caldari and Amarr ones lose a hardpoint.
In fact the Sleip is pretty damn OP compared to the rest of the field command line up and should be the standard for the class not the exception.
This pretty much sums it up.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Fistme
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank Don't forget the general consensus amongst the most esteemed ships and fittings posters is that a XL Shield booster Nighthawk would be terribly overpowered but the Sleipnir is not, even though the Sleipnir has TWO extra turrets over its tier one counterpart to go with its dual damage bonus even though the Caldari and Amarr ones lose a hardpoint.
In fact the Sleip is pretty damn OP compared to the rest of the field command line up and should be the standard for the class not the exception.
and back to 2008 we go :P, wonder how long it will take for them to balance the Field and Fleet Command lineup
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:11:00 -
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Wont happen in our lifespan.
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:22:00 -
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What are you talkin about? Capsuleers are immortal.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 15/12/2010 19:32:31
Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 What are you talkin about? Capsuleers are immortal.
Thats only what they want to make you believe.
Just like other people want you to believe this game is balanced.
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Candyspy
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Posted - 2010.12.15 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Merwe Roughly 600 powergrid for 6 heavy launchers while around 1000 powergrid for 7 425mm autocannons
okay, that accounts for 400 powergrid. What about the other 500? (HAY guess how much power grid an x-large shield booster needs!)
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Loradan Illstari
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Posted - 2010.12.15 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Loradan Illstari on 15/12/2010 20:18:00
Originally by: Candyspy
Originally by: Merwe Roughly 600 powergrid for 6 heavy launchers while around 1000 powergrid for 7 425mm autocannons
okay, that accounts for 400 powergrid. What about the other 500? (HAY guess how much power grid an x-large shield booster needs!)
CCP hates Caldari. Questions?
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.12.15 22:03:00 -
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Prolly CCP wants to test the waters for other field CS.
The waters are tested, now go and fix the class. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
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Doddy
Burning Vendetta
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Posted - 2010.12.15 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Candyspy
Originally by: Merwe Roughly 600 powergrid for 6 heavy launchers while around 1000 powergrid for 7 425mm autocannons
okay, that accounts for 400 powergrid. What about the other 500? (HAY guess how much power grid an x-large shield booster needs!)
Now instead of 425mm autos try 720mm artillery. That coupled with the fact ccp have no clue and probably didn't consider people fitting XL boosters in the first place.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.15 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 15/12/2010 22:13:57
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: Candyspy
Originally by: Merwe Roughly 600 powergrid for 6 heavy launchers while around 1000 powergrid for 7 425mm autocannons
okay, that accounts for 400 powergrid. What about the other 500? (HAY guess how much power grid an x-large shield booster needs!)
Now instead of 425mm autos try 720mm artillery. That coupled with the fact ccp have no clue and probably didn't consider people fitting XL boosters in the first place.
Its not just the Sleipnir having tons of PG for an XL booster, it also has insane CPU to support it.
Infact, every single Minmatar has such insane CPU and Powergrid that they can support XL or L boosters on nearly any ship, BC and up, where Caldari always has much trouble.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.12.15 22:16:00 -
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I wouldnt mind if nh got some pg so i wouldnt have to use faction rcu or cosmos cap booster to fit it.
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Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos
Its not just the Sleipnir having tons of PG for an XL booster, it also has insane CPU to support it.
Every good Sleipnir setup involves faction gear, often the booster, because no it doesn't have lots of CPU to support an XL booster. Your cannot just t2 everything an XL booster Sleip, hard choices have to be made. There are no macrominers in EVE |
Pinky Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.12.16 00:31:00 -
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Its a good thing the Nighthawk works better as a passive tank then.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.12.16 00:49:00 -
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dont forget the nighthawk is just an expensive drake compared with the cane and the sleipnir, the later are completly different beasts.
the nighthawks bonuses and fitting ability is a bit samey and dull, whereas the sliepnir offers a fast high dps ship capable of a massive shield tank somthing the cane would truly suck at, the nighthawk has no such advantages really.
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Pinky Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.12.16 01:02:00 -
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To be fair the cane doesn't really truly suck at shield tanking. It just relys more on speed tanking with shields than say a drake. Or a myrm.
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Veronica Kerrigan
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Posted - 2010.12.16 01:02:00 -
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Aren't caldari suposed to put up an impressive passive tank. If you take away the minmatar ability to active shield tank, they have no natural advantage in the tank department, unlike every other race.
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2010.12.16 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Veronica Kerrigan Aren't caldari suposed to put up an impressive passive tank. If you take away the minmatar ability to active shield tank, they have no natural advantage in the tank department, unlike every other race.
Considering the minmatars ability to speed-tank their sub-BSs, i actually think they have more than enough advantages. Just ask a gallente pilot if he would switch their rep-bonus for some more speed.
CCP should make up their minds about the minmatars atm as they have the advantage in most areas, clipping their wings wouldnt hurt anybody and give the other races a better chance in pvp. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer
I like that.
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Freyja Asynjur
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Posted - 2010.12.16 02:10:00 -
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The sleipnir, claymore and nighthawk are my favorite ships in the game. As much as I love field CSs, I really find them to be very frustrative.
The sleipnir in all its glory and awesomness is somehow relegated as the pirate ship of choice : it really shines only with an active setup, faction shield, pirate implants set and drugs ; there's not much point for it as a pve boat or in a medium/large fleet in null space where it's clearly not cost effective compared to say... the hurricane that it has to gimmick when buffer tanked.
The nighthawk is a great pve ship. Everyone wished it to be a great pvp ship too, but it always "betrays" you somehow. Giving it a XL Booster is a bad idea : while the numbers wouldn't be that insane (but i'm sure could be abused in some ways), it's not a close range ship like the sleipnir can be : there's no advantage for it to come at 1km, as it would do the same dps a 1km or 60km, and while its dps is really good at med range, it sucks a lot at close range. The NH screams for kiting. And it's not good at it, being slow and not agile as every caldari ships. :| The large shield booster that it can sustain efficiently over a long period of time is enough when it kites succesfully. In comparaison, the sleipnir has a heavy tank that is not sustainable over a short period of time (but to be fair, the sleip is also quite good at kiting with barrage). The intended role, it seems, for the NH is to be a passive, dumb, slow ship like a passive drake, for what, like the buffered sleipnir and the hurricane, the drake would be far far more cost efficient. It should be added that the drake can be a fun, mobile close range platform (ham setup) ; the nighthawk can't.
I think the absolution is the most pragmatic of all field CS : not as cool as the sleipnir, ok, but doing what has to be done in more common situations.
The Claymore is sexy. It can run its links - ie, doing its job - while still being relevant to the battlefield. In a solo setup, it is not a heavy damage dealer like the sleipnir, but is cost effective with an ok tank without implants, and being able to fit a web. With the same skills, modules types and skills, the claymore eats the sleipnir at 1vs1 (webbing & orbiting, negating a bit of the sleipnir dps, while being able to apply its full dps, and still having the biggest tank).
(And remember, this is my humble view, not the truth.)
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Candyspy I understand some of the differences but why does the Slepnir have like twice the powergrid (seriously about double)? They can fit an x-large shield booster but a nighthawk can't? Does not compute. Just curious.
X-Large? I wish I could fit a Large one ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.16 04:36:00 -
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The nighthawk is meh,
if they ever nerf the drake then the nighthawk will be indirectly boosted, though it will still be the same boring mediocre ship so no one will really benefit tbh.
The only reason I trained CS V was for full vulture ganglink bonus's.. EVE Trivia EVE History
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2010.12.16 04:38:00 -
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So I was playing around with EFT, and got this:
[Sleipnir, First] Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M [empty high slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
608 DPS at 3+27 with Barrage M 351-381 omni-tank
[Nighthawk, First] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
560 DPS at 70+ km 336-362 omni-tank
I'm not really seeing the awesomeness of the Sleip compared to the Nighthawk. Slightly more dps, tank, and speed in exchange for a loss of most of your range.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.16 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 16/12/2010 05:02:15
Originally by: Mavnas
I'm not really seeing the awesomeness of the Sleip compared to the Nighthawk. Slightly more dps, tank, and speed in exchange for a loss of most of your range.
Perhaps if you use non-loltastic fits, you would see the difference.
-never use 4 gyro's over 3 gyros +1 te -fit an x-l booster (may need to swap pds for rcu or co-pro) -cap rechargers? lol (use cap boosters mmk) -mwd >> ab on non-frigates imo, trade guns for 220mm if grid is an issue (need an rcu on the nh for this) -the nighthawk is better passive than active (will have >> ehp and only slightly lower sustained tank) -those rigs are ridiculous, use the cap safeguard rigs that lower use of shield boosters, cheaper and more efficient -again, the nh is better passive, use core defence extender rigs over cap rigs -you're ignoring drones, the sleip can use 4 meds over the nh's 5 lights.. -(ed) you have no dcu II, this is essential on pvp ships (even shield)
SO yeah, there's a difference EVE Trivia EVE History
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.16 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 16/12/2010 10:01:27
Originally by: Mavnas So I was playing around with EFT, and got this:
This is a proper Sleipnir:
[Sleipnir, New Setup 2] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II
Warrior II x5
750+ dps 750+ dps tank
Compared to this, which doesnt even remotly fit, because it lacks over 800PG and 30 CPU:
[Nighthawk, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II
Warrior II x5
650+ dps 650+ dps tank
Even assuming this would fit, Sleipnir would still be superior...
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.12.16 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 16/12/2010 10:16:58 No these are not "proper fits." Sleipnir should fit 2 gyros and 2 tes and nighthawk should fit hmls. E: You also like resist holes, right?
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.12.16 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 16/12/2010 10:16:58 No these are not "proper fits." Sleipnir should fit 2 gyros and 2 tes and nighthawk should fit hmls. E: You also like resist holes, right?
Come back as soon as you actualy know what we are talking about, mh kay?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.12.16 11:01:00 -
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Come back as soon you will be able to properly fit a ship.
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