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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.12.19 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm All other races have workable set ups in all area's and the Raven is unique in that it does not. It is not able to preform near as many roles as the others. It is a one trick Torp Pony that is outdone by the Phoon and fails at any other level of warefare.
If you think a Raven is a one-trick pony, then you need more imagination.
[Raven, Armour] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.19 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
If you think a Raven is a one-trick pony, then you need more imagination.
[Raven, Armour] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
No Dmg mods, it's bonused advantage is gone. You might as well role with a Scorpion and do somome real Dmg with it's bonused EWAR or even TD's as mids are more important on an EWAR Ship.
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Originally by: NoNah I'm afraid you can't really expect a decent answer as the new generation of posters arrived. Alara and her merry crew just isn't that interested in anything constructive.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.20 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: ImmutableDark
The Raven can't use T2 torps... minmatar ships can but the Raven can't I've already gone over how the Raven does more dps without t2 torps... I have gone over why this is the case in previous posts.
No you need to explain this one because I can't be bothered to rummage through your past drivel to find your rationalization for this nonsense.
I see several T2 torp fit Ravens in this thread. Hell took me all of 30 seconds to put one together myself. Though honestly I think the Raven is best used spamming cruises from range.
All you've really established is that Caldari ships sans the Drake aren't the best solo fighters. Well thank you for telling us something everyone already knows.
Also this better be an alt because if this is your main you have absolutely no credibility to be talking about anything PVP related. And if it is an alt then stop being a ***** and post with your main. Because the combat record you're showing us shows that you are friggin clueless about anything relating to PVP but getting your ass kicked.
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Slevnin
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Posted - 2010.12.20 21:48:00 -
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ImmutableDark is Broken
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ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.21 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 19/12/2010 10:16:12
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Missiles are a numbers game and the game does not fare well for torpedoes as compared to turret based weapons.
What? Torpedoes fare excellent against turret based weapons, heck I'll fit torps over autocannons on my phoon any day. Yes they are THAT much better.
Torps are pretty much the best short range BS weapon system bar none.
And yea, the Raven is a great small gang battleship. Its not a good fleet BS, and the phoon isnt either.
Here is the MAJOR F'ING PROBLEM the phoon can use T2 torpedos and the raven can't. End of story.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.21 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 21/12/2010 02:33:03
Originally by: ImmutableDark Here is the MAJOR F'ING PROBLEM the phoon can use T2 torpedos and the raven can't. End of story.
My arguements for the Raven's inability as a Fleet Ship have nothing to do with this Idiot/Troll.
Please stop giving false information because you failed at solo'ing a Battleship against an entire small gang.
FYI T2 Seige Launchers fit fine on a Raven, makes it pretty good in small gangs despite the few Slot V Tank/Tackle issues it has.
Raven could use a few tweaks but she isn't Broken.
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Originally by: NoNah I'm afraid you can't really expect a decent answer as the new generation of posters arrived. Alara and her merry crew just isn't that interested in anything constructive.
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.12.21 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: ImmutableDark
Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 19/12/2010 10:16:12
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Missiles are a numbers game and the game does not fare well for torpedoes as compared to turret based weapons.
What? Torpedoes fare excellent against turret based weapons, heck I'll fit torps over autocannons on my phoon any day. Yes they are THAT much better.
Torps are pretty much the best short range BS weapon system bar none.
And yea, the Raven is a great small gang battleship. Its not a good fleet BS, and the phoon isnt either.
Here is the MAJOR F'ING PROBLEM the phoon can use T2 torpedos and the raven can't. End of story.
son, lickin' windows and eatin' paint chips is bad, m'kay?
if you get back in your cage i promise we won't use the hose on you tonight.
The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------
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Kraschyn Thek'athor
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Posted - 2010.12.21 03:04:00 -
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Accept one fact dear Caldaris. You can't be king in every discipline.
As soon as my cute little Amarr butt is not in Sansha/Blood Raider Space, I'am screwed for PvP. You will nether experience my pain.
My Amarr BS are Armageddon: Short Range Beast Apocalypse: Long Range Beast Abaddon: Tank Beast You will not surprise your opponents too much with Amarr BS.
The Raven is a damn' PvE Battleship. Take it. The Scorp is the only ECM BS and the Rokh is a Sniper. And it is more your lack of creativity then the ship that hampers the Rokh. Don't use a Spoon for cutting trees and don't use a Chainsaw for eating. Otherwise, both tools can be used for very strange different things.
If you want to be Armor Mainbattle Line, don't be Caldari. You're very good in PvE, and you're very good in shield ships. There are a lot of very useful PvP ships with Caldari, and yes, mainly ECM ships. If you want to become a Grunt, train Amarr.
Amarr has mediocre small ships, I trained Minmatar. I will fly Minmatar Frigs and BC, and T2 Amarr Cruiser and BS. That's my way.
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ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.21 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kraschyn Thek'athor Accept one fact dear Caldaris. You can't be king in every discipline.
As soon as my cute little Amarr butt is not in Sansha/Blood Raider Space, I'am screwed for PvP. You will nether experience my pain.
My Amarr BS are Armageddon: Short Range Beast Apocalypse: Long Range Beast Abaddon: Tank Beast You will not surprise your opponents too much with Amarr BS.
The Raven is a damn' PvE Battleship. Take it. The Scorp is the only ECM BS and the Rokh is a Sniper. And it is more your lack of creativity then the ship that hampers the Rokh. Don't use a Spoon for cutting trees and don't use a Chainsaw for eating. Otherwise, both tools can be used for very strange different things.
If you want to be Armor Mainbattle Line, don't be Caldari. You're very good in PvE, and you're very good in shield ships. There are a lot of very useful PvP ships with Caldari, and yes, mainly ECM ships. If you want to become a Grunt, train Amarr.
Amarr has mediocre small ships, I trained Minmatar. I will fly Minmatar Frigs and BC, and T2 Amarr Cruiser and BS. That's my way.
The Raven is a damn' PvE Battleship. Take it.
I don't know what the statistics are for drakes vs ravens for level 4's but I'm pretty sure that the drake is more flown than this trainwreck of a bs.
The Scorp is the only ECM BS
Is it me or does the idea of an ewar battleship sound like the msot ******ed thing ever.. if I had to lay down ecm in a fleet/gang I wouldn't use a damn bs to do it I'd use a recon it makes a hell of a lot more sense than fielding a scorpion that's why you never see it in the alliance tournament it's the dumbest thing ... perhaps of all time. In a fleet you will have time enough to warp out if a chillion bses lock you down. If you don't then you've lost about the same amount of isk.
And it is more your lack of creativity then the ship that hampers the Rokh.
I hope by creativity you mean mining because my guess is that 99% of rokhs are basically inferior fleet snipers/miner fit.
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ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.21 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 21/12/2010 02:33:03
Originally by: ImmutableDark Here is the MAJOR F'ING PROBLEM the phoon can use T2 torpedos and the raven can't. End of story.
My arguements for the Raven's inability as a Fleet Ship have nothing to do with this Idiot/Troll.
Please stop giving false information because you failed at solo'ing a Battleship against an entire small gang.
FYI T2 Seige Launchers fit fine on a Raven, makes it pretty good in small gangs despite the few Slot V Tank/Tackle issues it has.
Raven could use a few tweaks but she isn't Broken.
I meant t2 ammo genius... 1 tp drone 1 tp = you can use t2 ammo at the cost of signature radius which brings the phoons sig up roughly to 400m ... which is the average sig of battleships... what a penalty. I fit t2 launchers on my raven just fine too and the fact that it needs an ehp boost hasn't stopped me from flying her in pvp. But her massive sig and damage vs smaller craft has stopped me flying her in pve... there is just no bloody point the drake is much better and I have plenty of dps to do any level four except for the one with that dude.... I'll just whip out my torp raven for that usually.
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.12.21 03:40:00 -
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Can we just have rats start to be able to warp out and back in which will force them to give the raven another mid slot? (and more power but ssshhhhh)
Hate this whole "That is a PVE ship". The ONLY difference between the two should be one is a human and the other isn't.
If they just gave it enough power for 2 heavy neuts, or another midslot (or two) It would be a fine battleship. But being that it can't have MWD + torps + neuts without a fitting mod is just stupid.
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.21 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jaina Sunspot on 21/12/2010 05:35:47
Originally by: ImmutableDark
I meant t2 ammo genius...
Hhich is a fail strategy
Originally by: ImmutableDark
1 tp drone 1 tp = you can use t2 ammo at the cost of signature radius which brings the phoons sig up roughly to 400m ... which is the average sig of battleships...
What a great idea, loose your Heavy Drone advantage to do less Dmg at the cost of more Sig.
Originally by: ImmutableDark
what a penalty.
Less DPS at a greter Sig, yeah.
Originally by: ImmutableDark
I fit t2 launchers on my raven just fine too and the fact that it needs an ehp boost hasn't stopped me from flying her in pvp.
One possibilty, 7th mid sure would make me happy or a large Neut W/O a fitting Mod, it is not broken just not in the same league as the others. But saying the Phoon can use T2 Torps ecause of it's drone bay is not true. It takes away it's biggest advantage.
Originally by: ImmutableDark
But her massive sig and damage vs smaller craft has stopped me flying her in pve... there is just no bloody point
Station and Gate Camp DPS
Originally by: ImmutableDark
the drake is much better and I have plenty of dps to do any level four except for the one with that dude.... I'll just whip out my torp raven for that usually.
Yes Drake is a better gang ship for it's DPS projection, accuracy and speed. Everyone knows this, and it is the only thing I have been saying about it in this role. Your point about T2 Torps is moot, if you are in a Phoon launch Beserkers and use Navy Ammo.
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ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.21 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jaina Sunspot Edited by: Jaina Sunspot on 21/12/2010 05:35:47
Originally by: ImmutableDark
I meant t2 ammo genius...
Hhich is a fail strategy
Originally by: ImmutableDark
1 tp drone 1 tp = you can use t2 ammo at the cost of signature radius which brings the phoons sig up roughly to 400m ... which is the average sig of battleships...
What a great idea, loose your Heavy Drone advantage to do less Dmg at the cost of more Sig.
Originally by: ImmutableDark
what a penalty.
Less DPS at a greter Sig, yeah.
Originally by: ImmutableDark
I fit t2 launchers on my raven just fine too and the fact that it needs an ehp boost hasn't stopped me from flying her in pvp.
One possibilty, 7th mid sure would make me happy or a large Neut W/O a fitting Mod, it is not broken just not in the same league as the others. But saying the Phoon can use T2 Torps ecause of it's drone bay is not true. It takes away it's biggest advantage.
Originally by: ImmutableDark
But her massive sig and damage vs smaller craft has stopped me flying her in pve... there is just no bloody point
Station and Gate Camp DPS
Originally by: ImmutableDark
the drake is much better and I have plenty of dps to do any level four except for the one with that dude.... I'll just whip out my torp raven for that usually.
Yes Drake is a better gang ship for it's DPS projection, accuracy and speed. Everyone knows this, and it is the only thing I have been saying about it in this role. Your point about T2 Torps is moot, if you are in a Phoon launch Beserkers and use Navy Ammo.
It does 50 MORE dps and I agree that it's a fail strategy because the damage reduction you get from 320 sig is so massive. My point is they do about 1200 dps compared to a raven which does 1073 dps and they can use t2 torpedos if they use a target painter in the midslot and a tp drone in the drone bay.
Soooo basically the raven has a greater sig with less dps and less tank due to the fact that the phoon has less sig. The base ehp is roughly the same. Nothing stops 'a minmatar' from fitting an ab and being insanely stupid.
It's more DPS at a greater sig. 1250 vs 1200 work it out mother... bleeper. If you know you're going up against a caldari player you don't even need to use a tp drone and can get up to 1300 dps off on a raven/rokh/scorpion. With a drake... you'd need that tp drone but that's only because it's about the sig of your average bs. DAMN them minmatars be op.
PSSH it needs that 7th slot for a web... it'll still need the damn ehp boost... at least to 126k but I reckon it should be to about 140k because of the massive signature for basically no reason now. Why do I say no reason because the minmatar ships don't get a sensor strength penalty... 18 vs 22 that's nothing seriously. I was going to make another post on this topic.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.21 08:47:00 -
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No on the EHP boost. On the Raven, you can just under 94K with 3 free mids or 109K with two free mids, not to mention the extra bit you can gain from overheating.
Neither the Geddon or the Mega get much higher than 100-110K unless they fit less than 3 damage mods. They also can't change damage types, and if you think travel time is a problem with torps, watch how long it takes Ogres/Berserkers to get to their targets.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.21 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose No on the EHP boost. On the Raven, you can just under 94K with 3 free mids or 109K with two free mids, not to mention the extra bit you can gain from overheating.
Neither the Geddon or the Mega get much higher than 100-110K unless they fit less than 3 damage mods. They also can't change damage types, and if you think travel time is a problem with torps, watch how long it takes Ogres/Berserkers to get to their targets.
Now this is a troll.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.21 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: ImmutableDark
Now this is a troll.
I am disappoint.
Needs more insults and CAPLOCKS OF RAGE!
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.21 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: ImmutableDark
Now this is a troll.
I am disappoint.
Needs more insults and CAPLOCKS OF RAGE!
Nah I'm tired... fix Caldari pvp... so broken...
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Tarn Reis
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: ImmutableDark
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: ImmutableDark
Now this is a troll.
I am disappoint.
Needs more insults and CAPLOCKS OF RAGE!
Nah I'm tired... fix Caldari pvp... so broken...
Your KB stats lead me to believe you aren't a very good judge of Caldari's PVP worthiness.
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ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.23 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: ImmutableDark on 23/12/2010 04:13:43
Originally by: Tarn Reis
Originally by: ImmutableDark
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: ImmutableDark
Now this is a troll.
I am disappoint.
Needs more insults and CAPLOCKS OF RAGE!
Nah I'm tired... fix Caldari pvp... so broken...
Your KB stats lead me to believe you aren't a very good judge of Caldari's PVP worthiness.
You're an idiot because I never asked you to take my word for it I put up some justification there for you to scrutinise. I'm not really concerned about what an idiot thinks about me.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.12.23 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: TheMahdi on 23/12/2010 05:32:10 Confirming OP doesn't know what he is talking about.
Raven is a fine BS, especially in small gangs. It's DPS potential really is unsurpassed. You might see higher numbers on blaster/laser boats with drones but keep in mind, they need to hold and keep that range and drones alive to maintain that damage.
The reason I say small gangs, is all you need is a single fleet mate with a TP or you fit the TP and let your fleet mates fit tackle. The Raven has more or less as much EHP as standard tier 2 BS (more than most of the tier 1s) and is cheaper to fit and fly and has amazing damage projection and selectable damage type.
People misunderestimate selectable damage type, being able to target resist holes means you WILL do considerbly more damage.
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ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.23 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: TheMahdi Edited by: TheMahdi on 23/12/2010 05:32:10 Confirming OP doesn't know what he is talking about.
Raven is a fine BS, especially in small gangs. It's DPS potential really is unsurpassed. You might see higher numbers on blaster/laser boats with drones but keep in mind, they need to hold and keep that range and drones alive to maintain that damage.
The reason I say small gangs, is all you need is a single fleet mate with a TP or you fit the TP and let your fleet mates fit tackle. The Raven has more or less as much EHP as standard tier 2 BS (more than most of the tier 1s) and is cheaper to fit and fly and has amazing damage projection and selectable damage type.
People misunderestimate selectable damage type, being able to target resist holes means you WILL do considerbly more damage.
- You clearly don't understand how missile mechanics work I'd try to educate you but you're such an idiot that if you had a single rational thought it would cause your body to reject your brain and you'd **** it out your butt. For everyone else here are the golden rules for reducing missile/rocket/ham/torp damage:
IF YOU MOVE IN ANY DIRECTION YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
IF YOU REDUCE YOUR SIGNATURE YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
So when you see eft damage that missiles do just realise not all of it is going to hit as caldari ships often can't fit webs. The only caldari ship that can use a web is the drake ... this is probably why it's so popular it's the only caldari ship that can use it's weapon systems properly. Any ship using guns will no trouble mainting the range it needs to even if the caldari ship has a web... the caldari ships are the slowest ships in the game.
- You're talking out your butt again let me educate the stupid people that are reading your post and believing that it has some merit. The raven needs 4 mids for it's pathetic 109-112k ehp tank which is << than the 126k ehp tanks of other tier 2 bses. This means there is only room for prop/web/scram pick two so it's down one tackle slot as well as being down on ehp. Anything that can use scorch has better damage projection than any caldari ship I don't give a damn about your ******ed opinion about how something that has less range and does less damage and has travel time has better damage projection than torps. Selectable damage type isn't profitable at all in reality unless you know the fit of your enemy if that is the case they can dock/refit and come out (happened to me on more than one occasion) usually it's a bet as to which damage type is the best but that is hardly ever realised as griefer corp members usually have em as their weakest resist on armor. You can't change damage easily with missiles it takes 10 seconds so if you're wrong about a damage type selection then you're dead down 20kehp (dead). So here comes to a second rule about missiles:
DAMAGE SELECTION DOESN'T MATTER OUTSIDE OF PVE
People don't... (that isn't a word misunderestimate wtf) selectable damage type it's a thing that doesn't work out in reality gtfo.
This is just another they're taking my easy kills away minma***** whingepost.
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Korg Leaf
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2010.12.23 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: ImmutableDark
Originally by: TheMahdi Edited by: TheMahdi on 23/12/2010 05:32:10 Confirming OP doesn't know what he is talking about.
Raven is a fine BS, especially in small gangs. It's DPS potential really is unsurpassed. You might see higher numbers on blaster/laser boats with drones but keep in mind, they need to hold and keep that range and drones alive to maintain that damage.
The reason I say small gangs, is all you need is a single fleet mate with a TP or you fit the TP and let your fleet mates fit tackle. The Raven has more or less as much EHP as standard tier 2 BS (more than most of the tier 1s) and is cheaper to fit and fly and has amazing damage projection and selectable damage type.
People misunderestimate selectable damage type, being able to target resist holes means you WILL do considerbly more damage.
- You clearly don't understand how missile mechanics work I'd try to educate you but you're such an idiot that if you had a single rational thought it would cause your body to reject your brain and you'd **** it out your butt. For everyone else here are the golden rules for reducing missile/rocket/ham/torp damage:
IF YOU MOVE IN ANY DIRECTION YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
IF YOU REDUCE YOUR SIGNATURE YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
So when you see eft damage that missiles do just realise not all of it is going to hit as caldari ships often can't fit webs. The only caldari ship that can use a web is the drake ... this is probably why it's so popular it's the only caldari ship that can use it's weapon systems properly. Any ship using guns will no trouble mainting the range it needs to even if the caldari ship has a web... the caldari ships are the slowest ships in the game.
- You're talking out your butt again let me educate the stupid people that are reading your post and believing that it has some merit. The raven needs 4 mids for it's pathetic 109-112k ehp tank which is << than the 126k ehp tanks of other tier 2 bses. This means there is only room for prop/web/scram pick two so it's down one tackle slot as well as being down on ehp. Anything that can use scorch has better damage projection than any caldari ship I don't give a damn about your ******ed opinion about how something that has less range and does less damage and has travel time has better damage projection than torps. Selectable damage type isn't profitable at all in reality unless you know the fit of your enemy if that is the case they can dock/refit and come out (happened to me on more than one occasion) usually it's a bet as to which damage type is the best but that is hardly ever realised as griefer corp members usually have em as their weakest resist on armor. You can't change damage easily with missiles it takes 10 seconds so if you're wrong about a damage type selection then you're dead down 20kehp (dead). So here comes to a second rule about missiles:
DAMAGE SELECTION DOESN'T MATTER OUTSIDE OF PVE
People don't... (that isn't a word misunderestimate wtf) selectable damage type it's a thing that doesn't work out in reality gtfo.
This is just another they're taking my easy kills away minma***** whingepost.
With guns if you move in any direction apart from away in a straight line you reduce damage, if you fast enough you wont get hit at all.
The Mega may get 126k ehp in one set up but I guarantee it wont outdamage the raven in its normal set up. And the tempest definitely doesnt get more ehp or damage than the raven
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ImmutableDark
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Posted - 2010.12.23 10:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Korg Leaf
Originally by: ImmutableDark
Originally by: TheMahdi Edited by: TheMahdi on 23/12/2010 05:32:10 Confirming OP doesn't know what he is talking about.
Raven is a fine BS, especially in small gangs. It's DPS potential really is unsurpassed. You might see higher numbers on blaster/laser boats with drones but keep in mind, they need to hold and keep that range and drones alive to maintain that damage.
The reason I say small gangs, is all you need is a single fleet mate with a TP or you fit the TP and let your fleet mates fit tackle. The Raven has more or less as much EHP as standard tier 2 BS (more than most of the tier 1s) and is cheaper to fit and fly and has amazing damage projection and selectable damage type.
People misunderestimate selectable damage type, being able to target resist holes means you WILL do considerbly more damage.
- You clearly don't understand how missile mechanics work I'd try to educate you but you're such an idiot that if you had a single rational thought it would cause your body to reject your brain and you'd **** it out your butt. For everyone else here are the golden rules for reducing missile/rocket/ham/torp damage:
IF YOU MOVE IN ANY DIRECTION YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
IF YOU REDUCE YOUR SIGNATURE YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
So when you see eft damage that missiles do just realise not all of it is going to hit as caldari ships often can't fit webs. The only caldari ship that can use a web is the drake ... this is probably why it's so popular it's the only caldari ship that can use it's weapon systems properly. Any ship using guns will no trouble mainting the range it needs to even if the caldari ship has a web... the caldari ships are the slowest ships in the game.
- You're talking out your butt again let me educate the stupid people that are reading your post and believing that it has some merit. The raven needs 4 mids for it's pathetic 109-112k ehp tank which is << than the 126k ehp tanks of other tier 2 bses. This means there is only room for prop/web/scram pick two so it's down one tackle slot as well as being down on ehp. Anything that can use scorch has better damage projection than any caldari ship I don't give a damn about your ******ed opinion about how something that has less range and does less damage and has travel time has better damage projection than torps. Selectable damage type isn't profitable at all in reality unless you know the fit of your enemy if that is the case they can dock/refit and come out (happened to me on more than one occasion) usually it's a bet as to which damage type is the best but that is hardly ever realised as griefer corp members usually have em as their weakest resist on armor. You can't change damage easily with missiles it takes 10 seconds so if you're wrong about a damage type selection then you're dead down 20kehp (dead). So here comes to a second rule about missiles:
DAMAGE SELECTION DOESN'T MATTER OUTSIDE OF PVE
People don't... (that isn't a word misunderestimate wtf) selectable damage type it's a thing that doesn't work out in reality gtfo.
This is just another they're taking my easy kills away minma***** whingepost.
With guns if you move in any direction apart from away in a straight line you reduce damage, if you fast enough you wont get hit at all.
The Mega may get 126k ehp in one set up but I guarantee it wont outdamage the raven in its normal set up. And the tempest definitely doesnt get more ehp or damage than the raven
That's total *******s I've tested the mega vs rokh scenario to death so I'm not even going to touch it. The temp has a speed/sig/armor buffer tank with awesome ehp and perfect tackle with room for eccm. Any half decent fit tempest will murder a raven.
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Korg Leaf
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2010.12.23 10:28:00 -
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I never said a raven would beat a tempest, but the shield tempest generally has between 60-90k ehp and 800-1000dps depending on drone selection, the armor fit with two gyros has 91k ehp and 940dps with the highest damage drone selection. My Raven has 1150dps and 90k ehp. The tempest also cant sig tank the ravens torps, even in armor fit as I actually fit a Target Painter. The tempest is still the better bs in my opinion but it comes down to skills who wins between them in a fight if the tempest is armor fitted. The shield one just runs if need be.
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Shoot2kilI
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.23 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Shoot2kilI on 23/12/2010 11:09:01 You are an absolute idiot. Seriously, go back to WoW.
First of all, your killboard discredits any say you might have on PvP whatsoever.
Did you seriously just say that the scorpion was the worst idea of an e-war platform? How about you go fit up a falcon, then a scorpion. Tell me which one costs less. Why this fact, you ask. Well, if you had friends, woe be to them, and you actually flew in a fleet, woe be to them again, you would realize that ECM ships are primary. Every time. Now, which would you rather replace? A 60M scorpion? Or 120M+ Falcon? Not too mention that, it has the available slots to tank significantly more than a Falcon. Not ONLY that but you also have the ability to give minor RR abilities, DPS with torps, or if you're really far away (as you probably should be with a scorp) you can thrown on a DLA and get drones out. Your
Also, if you had friends that would actually fly with you, you'd realize that switching ammo types is dead useful in PvP. If you're doing a 2k volley/6 seconds on shields on one target, then switch to another that reduces your damage down to 900 volley/6 seconds, I think the 10 second reload time is an OBVIOUS benefit if you can switch to a damage type that will grant you the 2k volley again, especially for small gangs, which is what the Raven is designed for.
In one post you talk trash about torps, then another you suck the typhoons nuts with torps, then you say that missiles in general are bad by displaying your oh-so-awesome-grasp on "Missile Mechanics".
Why don't you try and back up your absolutely ridiculous claims with some KM's? You say you've had people dock and refit their tank? Where the **** were you pvping? Where are the kills (or what i imagine are probably losses on your part instead) for all of this?
In summary:
Obvious troll is obvious
P.S. You're a complete idiot P.P.S Cataclysm just got released; go play.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2010.12.23 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shoot2kilI if you had friends
Pretty big "if" you got there, buddy.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.12.23 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: TheMahdi on 23/12/2010 13:05:36
Originally by: ImmutableDark
- You clearly don't understand how missile mechanics work I'd try to educate you but you're such an idiot that if you had a single rational thought it would cause your body to reject your brain and you'd **** it out your butt. For everyone else here are the golden rules for reducing missile/rocket/ham/torp damage:
IF YOU MOVE IN ANY DIRECTION YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
IF YOU REDUCE YOUR SIGNATURE YOU REDUCE THE DAMAGE DONE TO YOU BY MISSILES
Maybe you missed the part about someone having tackle in the small gang? Scram, web? You know things that reduce speed. Anything that you would engage in a BS usually will be disabled to a crawl by pretty much just a scram. How about you go solo more before talking ****?
Originally by: ImmutableDark
So when you see eft damage that missiles do just realise not all of it is going to hit as caldari ships often can't fit webs. The only caldari ship that can use a web is the drake ... this is probably why it's so popular it's the only caldari ship that can use it's weapon systems properly. Any ship using guns will no trouble mainting the range it needs to even if the caldari ship has a web... the caldari ships are the slowest ships in the game.
EFT warrioring at it's finest. No one will say Raven is the best solo but you don't need a web, a scram will usually suffice and you will still apply more damage at your range. Not all ships are the same, try flying them for once. And if we are to talk about small gangs (which perhaps you missed to point of my post) then the Raven is quite competitive in all regards.
Originally by: ImmutableDark
DAMAGE SELECTION DOESN'T MATTER OUTSIDE OF PVE
People don't... (that isn't a word misunderestimate wtf) selectable damage type it's a thing that doesn't work out in reality gtfo.
This is just another they're taking my easy kills away minma***** whingepost.
If you are too stupid to carry different types of ammo and switch based on your target, then you only have yourself to blame. Judging by the gibberish you post everywhere, you probably don't have the mental dexterity for it, no shame in that. Try some Sudoku or something to improve it.
P.S. typos happen.
Edit: Also, Raven is a great station games BS, probably the best considering the alternatives are harder to fit and train for. You don't even need a point if you just go TPs, you'd be suprised how many times people will wait for the redock rather than warp off.
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NoLimit Soldier
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Posted - 2010.12.23 19:09:00 -
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Not meaning to kick a dead horse but the raven is kinda crappy compared to other battleships.
Its main role is a warp in hammer, nothing more.
Give it more drones, another midslot, or more grid and it would be good.
But hey it is the pve king so yay.
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Gurgeh Murat
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Posted - 2010.12.28 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: ImmutableDark
I was going to make another post on this topic.
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