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Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:03:00 -
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Just out of curiousity to find a new jewel in the box of EVE: What are the most underestimated ships you know for PVP and why do you think they are so underestimated? |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
134
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:23:00 -
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The Ibis.
A skilled group of nooblets can swarm the daylights out of anything.
First, one shows up and you shrug. Then two...then five. All of a sudden there's twenty and you realize, a cold sweat making your undershirt cling to your skin, that you are outright screwed.
Or grateful for a smartbomb. |
Belthazor4011
Battle BV I Know Right
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:00:00 -
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There are a few TBH and I'd hate to tell you the why cause well I like not everyone knowing the why.
So here a few that come to mind.
Moa Ferox Exequror Navy Issue Augoror Navy Issue Prophecy Cyclone |
Garresh
Opposite of Low
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:39:00 -
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The Firetail. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:50:00 -
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Belthazor4011 wrote:There are a few TBH and I'd hate to tell you the why cause well I like not everyone knowing the why.
So here a few that come to mind.
Moa Ferox Exequror Navy Issue Augoror Navy Issue Prophecy Cyclone
I would not say the Cyclone is underestimated as of today.
It's just that you can be SO SURE of its fitting.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1212
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:05:00 -
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Prophecy: it is in general crap (outdone by the Harb in every general way). If fit only for tank it can make great bait. Unfortunately, this is somewhat common knowledge, so not everyone who could will engage.
Tormentor: underestimated because people are not yet used to the concept of the old miner being a combat ship. It is great using duel TDs to kill range of turret ships. Not so good against missile ships. |
Belthazor4011
Battle BV I Know Right
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:12:00 -
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Agree on the Cyclone, but I was onboard before ASBs is what I was mainly saying.
Prophecy is def not crap, I'll go toe to toe with a Harby and very likely win
Tormentor I agree on, very nice lil boat. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:25:00 -
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arbitrator. t1 cruiser with weak weapons but it will release teh drones and TD the enemy to avoid most damage. |
Red zeon
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.08.13 22:34:00 -
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definetly the merlin. it opened my eyes one day not too long when i was in blue space heading to a set destination in my daredevil, i landed on a gate, and 14km of that gate sat a lonly merlin with no friends anywhere near. my first tought was "why bother" but then again a hauler might jump trough the gate and i didnt want to risk that so i tought i would wake up hes fellow clone. true that the daredevil cannot really tank or gank, i did not see any real risk. i aggroed him, and he engaged me. i tought to my self, atleast he got balls. but he just absorbed the damage i was doing, and my repper was not keeping in pace with the damage of the blasters he had on me, and i could not mwd out of range at this point, i decided to try finishing him off anyhow. but the sad part was, i did not, its true i was the one able to dictate speed and the loss was to blame on my ignorance.
i opened the holy eft and beholded, the merlin can tank 200dps and deal 150, it can scram, it can burn, it can pass trough any system without people being afraid of it. thats what a underestimated pvp ship is all about. i quicly logged in my jump freighter alt, went to jita and bought a bunch of merlins, and fitted them all with 2medium ancillary boosters and jumped in one, went to nearest region that was not habitated by friends to my alliance. i let everyone on my way scan my ship type so they would not report me as ufo or nv, and instead they would report a t1 frigate, unknown to pvp that deep in 0.0
i found myself in a system of 25 neutrals, i scanned out a drake doing a anomaly, i warped to him and scrammed him. letting off my glorious blasters, and watched that drake melt with the help of the angel malakims. he offered me money, but i just wanted to se him in agony after he had lost hes drake to a t1 frigate. and alot of lols did it generate, no longer was i ashamed of my loss earlyer, and instead bowd down for the mighty merlin.
i continiued down, another system with alot of inhabitants, they docked, i changed my name ships name to "wts 10/10" and announced in local i had this to offer, not too long after that they had scanned my shiptype, they must have tought, why else would he be here in a merlin, and undocked and went back to doing anomalys. with a smile on my face, i warped to a tengu in a haven, knowing i could not break hes tank i decided to test my ship. i scrammed him, and shot at him. with the help of couple npc we tryed to kill him. but after half a minute tanking the tengu, i had to abort becuase i could not tank him anymore.
seeing as i was tired and long way from home, i decided id give the 6people a fight that had undocked to kill me. i was facing a drake, abaddon, hurricane, enyo, crusader and a malediction. i tought to myself, "merlin, prove yourself worthy for this titel" and went guns blasing, taking on the crusader, finished him off, went for the malediction, but at that point i did not have the distance to my aid, and was unable to deal damage, i could not do anything more than orbit and wait until my charges would run out to face my inevitable doom.
This is why i, Red zeon vote the merlin for this glorious titel. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:41:00 -
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Hookbill.
A year ago I would have said the Merlin, but people know its tough to kill now.
For bigger stuff, the Gila is pretty boss. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Caldari 5
The Element Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:04:00 -
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Badgers |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:16:00 -
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The Raven. People are like "LOLRAVEN" until they get smacked in the face by 1500 DPS of doom. Ok, more like 10 DPS if you're in a kiting supercarrier, but that's beside the point.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Traejun DiSanctis
Irrationality ILLC
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:45:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:The Raven. People are like "LOLRAVEN" until they get smacked in the face by 1500 DPS of doom. Ok, more like 10 DPS if you're in a kiting supercarrier, but that's beside the point.
-Liang
Fuk yah Nano Torp Raven FTMFW. I go dual web plus TD. Really soft, but it's great in gangs. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
69
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:49:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Just out of curiousity to find a new jewel in the box of EVE: What are the most underestimated ships you know for PVP and why do you think they are so underestimated?
Osprey, definitely.
Why? "lol osprey"
Also: All marauders.
Why? "blingy carebear boat, lol" |
Korg Tronix
Time Bandits. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:55:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:Hookbill.
blasphemy!!!
Any of the covert ops ships gets my vote. Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |
Traejun DiSanctis
Irrationality ILLC
46
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:27:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:Hookbill
I thought this was a thread about underestimated pvp ships? Hookbills surprise nobody.
They are and have been excellent, cheap pvp frigates. No, it's probably not as good as the other 3 navy frigates (Firetail, Comet and Slicer), but it's still a good brawler with excellent kiting potential and a good combo tank.
Hookbill, Kite
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Experimental 1MN Afterburner Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script Small Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Against anything turret fit, this thing is a beast. Arty and Beam ships cry. A/C, blaster and pulse laser pilots rage-quit.
Thing is, this is not a new or unique fit. |
AdZc
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
6
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:52:00 -
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I have never fought, nor flown one....but an ECM tengu! My corp mates ridicule me for wanting one, but noone flys them so the WTF factor would probably be worth it. Granted the Rook has the better jam strength, but tengu has the tank.
Also there is a "falcon" variant but its pretty poor lol |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
416
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:56:00 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:Hookbill I thought this was a thread about underestimated pvp ships? Hookbills surprise nobody. They are and have been excellent, cheap pvp frigates. No, it's probably not as good as the other 3 navy frigates (Firetail, Comet and Slicer), but it's still a good brawler with excellent kiting potential and a good combo tank. Hookbill, Kite 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket Experimental 1MN Afterburner Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script Small Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Against anything turret fit, this thing is a beast. Arty and Beam ships cry. A/C, blaster and pulse laser pilots rage-quit. Thing is, this is not a new or unique fit.
First off, a Hooky is better than most other faction frigs.
Second, I didn't say I was surprised by the Hookbill. I said it is underestimated. The thread asked what ships people thought were underestimated, not try to prove why they aren't bad ships. And its very bold of you to make claims for everybody in the game.
To clarify my above statement, I've encountered many times people showing surprise at the power of the Hooky. Many many times over the past couple of years.
And I have 3 or more better fits for the Hooky than that one.
<3 Hookbill Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Malsavias Toralen
Kleinrock Heavy Industries Kleinrock Group
15
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:58:00 -
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Procurer's, Oh sure, you have a itty bitty wittle mining barge, well with the right skills and mods this itty bitty mining barge can get around 85% resist across the board and 100k shields on it's own, a full set of T2 drones and some GOOD drone training and you have yourself a VERY ghetto drone boat. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
417
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:10:00 -
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Malsavias Toralen wrote:Procurer's, Oh sure, you have a itty bitty wittle mining barge, well with the right skills and mods this itty bitty mining barge can get around 85% resist across the board and 100k shields on it's own, a full set of T2 drones and some GOOD drone training and you have yourself a VERY ghetto drone boat.
Can I please see a KM from this for lolz. Might just convince me to try it out in a 1v1 soon. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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stup idity
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:46:00 -
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Malsavias Toralen wrote:Procurer's, Oh sure, you have a itty bitty wittle mining barge, well with the right skills and mods this itty bitty mining barge can get around 85% resist across the board and 100k shields on it's own, a full set of T2 drones and some GOOD drone training and you have yourself a VERY ghetto drone boat.
85% resistances seems only achievable with deadspace gear - i wouldn't consider the "right mods" for this kind of ship for the intended purpose.
I reign supreme. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
197
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:50:00 -
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Scorpion. With 8 mid slots and a LOT of CPU, this baby can fit an incredible active shield tank. With 2 X-Large Ancillary shield boosters and a lot of tech 2 hardeners, it can sustain several thousand dps indefinitely until it runs out of cap booster charges. The best part is that people not only expect it to die quickly but really really want it to. By the time they figure out you don't have any ECM jammers on, your buddies will have gotten the upper hand. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
kyrv
hirr Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:16:00 -
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Le Grande Tempest. |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:31:00 -
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The Maller.
It's become such a meme in itself that everybody expects it to have at least one 1600mm plate fitted. Fit with an 800mm and some medium blasters and they won't know how hard it hits until they review their lossmail. |
Coms Athonille
The Business People The Irukandji
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:29:00 -
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Ever try to run down and kill a 4km per sec Vegabond? I used to run with that many many years ago. |
Korg Tronix
Time Bandits. Suddenly Spaceships.
58
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:05:00 -
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there are a large number of people here who don't know what underestimated means. Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |
Traejun DiSanctis
Irrationality ILLC
46
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:19:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:there are a large number of people here who don't know what underestimated means.
Seriously. |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
217
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:20:00 -
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Coms Athonille wrote:Ever try to run down and kill a 4km per sec Vegabond? I used to run with that many many years ago.
Thats either skirmish linked or failfit |
Ashimat
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
33
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:26:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: it can sustain several thousand dps indefinitely until it runs out of cap booster charges. I had to smile.
http://rnat-postmortem.blogspot.se |
Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
309
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:29:00 -
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Ashimat wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote: it can sustain several thousand dps indefinitely until it runs out of cap booster charges. I had to smile.
Works 100% of the time, when it works.
An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |
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