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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2010.12.28 01:39:00 -
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Look I've been using a really cheap flip phone (and before that, a brick) for years now. I was the last person I knew to even have a damn cell phone.
Well finally I've decided to give in and buy a smartphone. It's either going to be a Droid or iPhone. My question is, what does one have to offer more than the other?
Is the Droid's special features more about an integrated office/productivity package vs. an iPhone's cool Apps? I mean mainly I just wanna look at the weather radar map and have instant access to certain stock prices.
I mean is the decision basically down to productivity/office integration (Droid) vs. random coolness (iPhone)? Is my initial assessment here flawed?
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Atomos Darksun
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.12.28 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 28/12/2010 01:48:18 The iPhone has the fragrence of Steve Jobs...
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2010.12.28 01:49:00 -
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SOLD!
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.12.28 02:07:00 -
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It's more about philosophy, TBH.
Apple products are about intuitive UIs, user friendliness, ease of use, and to give everything a special polish.
On the other hand, Droid products are about openness, freedom of use, variety of options, and a lack of restriction.
The iphone will probably be a better experience, but Apple will do everything possible to keep you locked in to whatever THEY want you to do. For example, Apple does not care if they "brick" your phone with an update if you jailbreak it (and there is word that they actually go out of their way to do so).
On the contrary, Droid phones are frequently "rooted" and many of the phone manufacturers make it relatively easy for you to do so - though it voids your warranty.
The Apple app store has more draconian filters put in place, so it is harder to develop software for it. This has two consequences: 1) The apps are of a higher quality 2) Apple will remove your app if they don't like you (see wikileaks app)
IMO, the Apple products have a more "polished" feel to them at the expense of conformity, but the Droid products are more versatile and more community oriented. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2010.12.28 02:29:00 -
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ah OK then I can appreciate these differences for what they seem to be. It's not that I would have specific trouble learning/navigating a less polished interface, unless it really hinders the ease of use of most basic functions.
Also it's not like Google should be considered any sort of "really open" corporation to begin with whatsoever, but if left with a choice between Google and Apple then I guess it doesn't matter anyway. From your assessment it seems like the droid is going to be more for me.
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Atomos Darksun
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.12.28 02:43:00 -
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At least in Android on a rooted phone/tablet you can pull up a linux terminal :)
Again: price and freedom. iphone only has one choice for service. lolololol.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Noob ah OK then I can appreciate these differences for what they seem to be. It's not that I would have specific trouble learning/navigating a less polished interface, unless it really hinders the ease of use of most basic functions.
Also it's not like Google should be considered any sort of "really open" corporation to begin with whatsoever, but if left with a choice between Google and Apple then I guess it doesn't matter anyway. From your assessment it seems like the droid is going to be more for me.
What I mean by "polish" is that (from what I've seen at least) the iphone is more responsive. I would guess that this is because developers only have to write their app for on hardware configuration. Compare to Droid phones, which all have a variety of hardware configurations. So an application written for the Android platform may run well on some phones, but may not be optimized for other phones. That being said, I'm pretty certain that most modern Android phones are to the point where you won't have to deal with lag too much.
A problem that I do have with the Android platform is that closing or stopping an application is not always intuitive. When you run an application and switch to another one, the first application doesn't close. It keeps running in the background taking up ram and CPU cycles. In order to close the application, the application must implement a method to close itself or the user has to use a task manager to close them. This is only a problem if you install and run several dozen different apps, though. For someone like you who only wants to do a couple things, you shouldn't run into this problem. And if you do run into this problem, it isn't that big of a deal to install a task manager and user it to kill a few apps that you don't need running anymore.
But to avoid sounding TOO much like an Google fanboi, I'll finish by saying that the iphone is a *very* solid product. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:19:00 -
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I recently took the smart phone plunge after having had the same phone for right at a decade. Got an HTC Hero... great does wonderful things except its annoying as hell to dial a number while driving DOH! My biggest holdup with smart phones was service pricing, the big boys AT&T etc are still high imo but I have service through a localish provider at half the cost and get almost all the benefits except I have a limited service area that I rarely travel outside of, if I do I have enough nationwide data/voice thrown in for any trips. Cost of the phones I have no idea mine was free but I had been out of contract for close to eight years so they were making gravy that whole time. I have a couple friends with iPhones and honestly there isn't much one can do that the other can't do.
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:20:00 -
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No what you've described as difficulties in different hardware set-ups and task managing, sounds like pretty much things I've dealt with my entire PC life. Not that the literal smartphone interfacing I'd encounter would be the exact same experience, but the overall troubleshooting does sound like the same general procedural BS I've learned to work through pretty easily enough. If the Droid is more open in general I'm going to try it.
Oh, and more carrier options=yeah.
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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:24:00 -
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Imo its all about openness.
I have an EGO 4g and love it, and in all honesty it feels more like a handheld pc / tablet than a phone. I have it rooted and have a bluetooth mouse and mini keypad thats just the number key area, sure you know what I'm talkin bout, and I can play quake 3 on it and its very very nice. I was in the city yesterday gettin 4g and woah Its nice....
Another thing to think about is data. ATT and Verizon both have their unlimited data plans locked down so only people who have it can keep it. No new data plans can be unlimited. That made me go with the Evo 4g and sprint. And the same time I was in there 12 others were, switching from either of the 2 previously mentioned. I think sprint is going to have a real comeback now that ATT and verizon has done their data limiting.
I went to radioshack (sprint store and most retailers have it more expensive) and got it @ 99$, me and my wife both got one. Amazon has a wireless store having the same offer but the phone is backordered.
Only thing I can warn you is as I said its pretty much a tablet / mobile pc. With that comes danger. There are aps on the market place for antivirus / malware agents. Because they do exist. They are easy to avoid because as a eve player you should have some common sense to you.
As someone else said, Droid is open, Iphone is apple.
some of my fav highlights of my droid: I got a gps for xmas and I'm taking it back because google navigation is so good on the droid.
rooted free teathering is nice
rooted playing quake 3 is nice
fully customizable
multitudes of free apps available both through marketplace and through 3rd party online or your own custom made apps.
I dont feel like a 'preppy tech' snob that only has an Iphone because thats what they think is 'in'
I can completely control whats running both application and service wise just as I could a computer so i can limit both the memory usage and battery usage.
there are task managers available, browsers such as firefox/opera available, but most of the stuff you really want already comes on it. the browser on droid 2.3 is better than 3rd party.
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Boots McKenzie
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:28:00 -
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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5707855/top_5_reasons_android_is_better_than_iphone/
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:05:00 -
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Lol we must have this linkage for this topic
iPhone4 vs HTC Evo
to be fair here is the flip side
HTC Evo vs iPhone4
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:14:00 -
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LOFL
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F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.28 06:26:00 -
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I wish they made smartphones that could handle all radio bands so I could choose any carrier and keep my phone. I hate that if I want to change carriers, I have to potentially change phones. I feel we are till 5 years away from a descent phone.
The smartphones I've been looking at are bittersweet because they are shiney but the battery life is weak. It doesn't surprise me with 1ghz cpus and the big screens they have to light up. I don't know how they are going to combat this.
I've had the Iphone for a few years but I think its losing its edge versus the newest phones that are coming out. I like the unlimited sd-memory option/replaceable battery.
I'd like to go both Droid and iphone, but Droid isn't compatible with my carrier.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.28 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: F0rum Tr0ll I'd like to go both Droid and iphone, but Droid isn't compatible with my carrier.
I think we are using the Droid and Android OS interchangeably here, there are both cdma and gsm varieties of phones that run the Android OS, some phones are strictly one or the other but like the phone I have comes in two flavors depending on the carrier you use. Assuming your in the states and your carrier uses one of those.
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Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2010.12.28 14:23:00 -
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My next phone will probably be a smartphone, but I'll wait for the playstation phone to be released before I make up my mind about which one to buy.
Otoh, I don't like Sony (removing linux support for the PS3, rootkit copyprotection etc) so it has to be really good for me to actually buy it.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.28 14:38:00 -
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Sony are stilling being awkard about their products. They tried their own propreietry digital audio player instead of using mp3. But that did'nt work so they eventually did regular mp3 players. I have found out my own PS3 joypad wont work on my brothers because mine is registered with my own PS3.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2010.12.28 18:52:00 -
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Pick android. Apple are just more of the same (Microsoft) and will never encourage free choice for the users.
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.28 20:00:00 -
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Steve Jobs himself said that 'users don't know what they want, so we'll choose for them'. This philosophy drives all of Apple since it's inception.
Make your choise on whether you want to make your own choices :)
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.12.28 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/12/2010 22:04:31
Originally by: Eternal Noob I mean is the decision basically down to productivity/office integration (Droid) vs. random coolness (iPhone)? Is my initial assessment here flawed?
Put it this way:
IPhone: A phone where you let other control your content, and where the company are cencoring programs they dont like. This can be competititive programs and games (no competition= company version of the communism)but also programs that the company dont like. This can be Wikileaks. But also Microsoft and Adobe. So Apple tells you what you can use and install on your own phone.
Android: open phone with free competition and no Censoring of stuff they dont like. That mean you can install any programs available without any control or limitation by the company or government. That is ofcource as long its allowed by law. A drawback ofcource with this openness is that its easier for viruses to get a hold on the phone, and as such you have to decide whether you want a phone where you decide what content you want but are more open for virus or a phone where others are deciding the content for you, but also a little harder on getting viruses (read harder - not impossible!)
Personally I go for Android. I dont like others telling me what I want to use my phone for! Also, its the most rapid growing OS on the mobile phone market!
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.29 02:20:00 -
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i bought myself a HTC Desire 2 months ago, specifically because a) the price was way cheap (end of product line), b) it had matured alot
I love the phone to bits, i think it is awesome. I think it is also better than the HTC Desire HD in that its battery lasts longer
No way would i ever use an IPhone, let alone buy one.
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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.12.29 03:23:00 -
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As to the video of iphone vs evo, the one thats against evo.
I gotta say its true on some points. 1 some stuff is buggy, which is why you read reviews and make informed decisions and if you dont like it, delete it. done.
Battery can be iffy for some, but its the hardware not really softwares fault. different brands will offer diff techs. Evo isnt to bad, and as I said in previous post you can control through utlization of what you are using instead of having everything running, and watching what you leave open while you multitask. I personally am getting a 3rd party battery that 95% of reviews have people saying it extends their life up to 16hrs+ running major applications and hardware and 32-48hrs+ running usual minimal stuff.
and yea it took me like 5 calls to activate, ONLY because the guy at radioshack didnt program the phone with my numbers...
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.29 21:37:00 -
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I was torn for the same question because my contract was to renew in March. Then the genius I am I dropped my phone into a puddle of water...
I hit up the apple store and pay my pre-contract price (was cheaper than going to a droid pre-renewal). The thing that amazed me about the new phone is that iTunes did a full backup of my previous phone. I'm not talking about just apps either. When I synced my new phone in I even got all my text messages, photos and how all my apps were organized just as they were. It was like I didn't even get a new phone at all. Because of this, I have to say I'm definitely an iPhone user for life.
I've lost phones before or left them in places. Every replacement was a pain in the butt to get back to normal mainly due to getting numbers stored back into the phone. This by far was the EASIEST phone replacement I've ever had to deal with.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.29 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
I hit up the apple store and pay my pre-contract price (was cheaper than going to a droid pre-renewal). The thing that amazed me about the new phone is that iTunes did a full backup of my previous phone. I'm not talking about just apps either. When I synced my new phone in I even got all my text messages, photos and how all my apps were organized just as they were.
Android phones pretty much do this as well and store all your settings to synch with your account and not the phone itself. May be little different if your running a manufactures version of Android overlay but essentially you store everything with your google account and it pushes it back out to whatever phone you have it active on. Maybe not as polished but makes it easy to maintain your contacts etc.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.30 15:26:00 -
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I've been a Blackberry user since they came out. I could have my own Nextel/Sprint museum :)
Can't wait for Sprint to come up with a BB touchscreen combined with a qwerty slider like the AT&T Torch.
I've also noticed amongst people I know well, that if they're used to Mac/Apple for computing, they are long-term iPhone users as well. The PC users got iPhones when they came out for the latest-greatest. but bailed due to iTunes being stupid for them. These same people swapped to Android or BB phones, and most dump the BB after that. I'm just a die-hard, as Sprint has everything I need in a phone included in the Blackberry.
As someone mentioned above, Blackerry's desktop software is like the iPhones, it will restore your phone to a "whole" state. I'm unsure about Android, but I do know that the vast majority of the people I know, would much prefer an Android over everything else.
tl;dr version: Android seems preferred by most, unless they're Appleheads, or die-hard BB people like me. -- -I have amnesia, do I come here often? |
Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.12.30 15:52:00 -
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Those who say that the phones are basically the same but Apple is "closed" and Android isn't: I own both a HTC Hero and an iPhone 3G and I use the 3G almost exclusively since it simply has much better usability. Now what's "open"? Sure, developing your own apps is a PITA for the iPhone, but on the other hand, with Android you're totally dependant on the phone vendor and the carrier for upgrades, now with current Android security issues many people are left out in the cold because there are no upgrades available in a timely manner.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.12.30 16:58:00 -
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I think the thing to say in favour of the iPhone is the hardware, it really truly feels like a quality product - and from what I've seen, the multi-touch technology looks and feels several AU's ahead of the competition.
So, by all means go for a smart-phone - but I would STRONGLY recommend spending ten minutes (minimum) using one before you buy, only then can you really make the decision as everyone's experience will be different. You probably have an Apple Store near you - pop in and take a look.
With regards to weather updates and stock prices, they come built in.
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Kaahles
Fulcrum Weapon Systems Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.30 19:08:00 -
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Okay I may get smacked around for this but... a what the hell here it goes:
There is a third option. Windows Phone 7 *dodging rocks thrown at me*
But seriously, it's an option you might want to consider it's not bad at all. ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
Th155
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Posted - 2010.12.31 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman I think it is also better than the HTC Desire HD in that its battery lasts longer
I'm sorry, but i just have to reply to this because it is... So much like someone i know, and they are so annoying (but you didn't do it with the intent of annoying me, like he does, so it's fine)
You are probably just getting this from HTC's site, desire, 1300mA, desire HD, 1200mA. Both rubbish compared to the now-standard 1500mA (or even 1700mA on some phones,) but that's besides the point.
The desire hd I've found has a much better battery life than his. We both brought it at roughly the same time, neither mine nor his where rooted when we did a test on it, and i found that mine out lasted his. Yes, lasted longer, with a smaller battery, and a 0.6" larger screen, and a better CPU/GPU. But, it doesn't matter anymore, i brought a replacement 1500mA battery from somewhere else (if you tried that on the iPhone, the safety measures will kick in and the phone's insides will literally melt), and am going 2 days per recharge now.
Blah, while writing that it sounded like i was talking to him... Sorry bout that...
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F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.31 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kaahles Okay I may get smacked around for this but... a what the hell here it goes:
There is a third option. Windows Phone 7 *dodging rocks thrown at me*
But seriously, it's an option you might want to consider it's not bad at all.
I don't like how it doesn't allow for a sdcard so I can't expand the memory. There was something else I didn't like about it, but I forget.
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