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Apollo Cochrane
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:54:00 -
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I read in an article linked from the recent Eve Newsletter that the first Titan cost about 160 Billion ISK to construct. Using the current market value of PLEX as a conversion factor, that works out to over $8 million US! Isn't that a little crazy? There's people out there flying multi-million dollar ships around New Eden! I get nervous just flying a Hyperion!
I know alliances that already own one wont think so ( because it limits the numbers of titans out there), but does anyone else think they're a little too expensive?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:59:00 -
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Hmm, last I remember checking PLEX prices:
>>> 360,000,000,000.0 / 750,000,000.0 * 15.0 7200.0
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:00:00 -
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if anything they are too cheap. and "firsts" are usually horribly over priced. apparently going for around 50b now.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:00:00 -
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I think your math is a little bit off here.
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Apollo Cochrane
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:02:00 -
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My bad. It's $8000 as plex is around 350 mill! That's still a LOT of money to be flying around though!
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:06:00 -
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My quackulations puts a Titan at roughly 3,000 USD assuming it costs ~60B and PLEX prices at ~350mil
Even at 160B, its nowhere close to multi-millions
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NCDOTSUCK
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: NCDOTSUCK on 28/12/2010 04:11:24 they should have thier fleet wiping weapon restored but make the doomsday device 4 times more expensive, how the hell did you get 8 million us dollars?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: NCDOTSUCK they should have thier fleet whiping weapon restored but make the doomsday device 4 times more expensive, how the hell did you get 8 million us dollars?
He calculated it at 160 Trillion. ;-)
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:14:00 -
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Bot mining minerals don't cost money.
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Apollo Cochrane
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: NCDOTSUCK Edited by: NCDOTSUCK on 28/12/2010 04:11:24 they should have thier fleet wiping weapon restored but make the doomsday device 4 times more expensive, how the hell did you get 8 million us dollars?
Yeah that was totally my stupid mistake. I for some reason had the price of plex in my head at 350,000 instead of 350,000,000 ISK. Sorry guys. But like I said, an in-game ship costing thousands of real dollars is still a little nuts!
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Cochrane Sorry guys. But like I said, an in-game ship costing thousands of real dollars is still a little nuts!
Considering the size of the income stream that your average 0.0 alliance has flowing, the ~60B or whatever it costs for the ship is just a drop in the hat. Taxes, moon goo, rent payments just to name a few can easily rake in billions.
I really don't think many of the titans in existence came from people buying lots and lots of GTC/PLEX. It is possible, just not very likely
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jaina Sunspot on 28/12/2010 04:32:47
Originally by: Apollo Cochrane But like I said, an in-game ship costing thousands of real dollars is still a little nuts!
Cept it doesn't, anyone who would shill out that kind of money for pixels they don't even technically own is a moron.
It isn't a solo player ship, it is bought with taxes and group efforts of an alliance. It shouldn't have a price one peron can afford.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:44:00 -
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Considering that one player with a single account can pull in several billion a month if he devotes about a month to train up his other 2 character slots for profit-bearing activities, and that Alliances have thousands of players each being taxed on their income, it doesn't seem all that unreasonable for the ship to cost that much.
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Apollo Cochrane
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn Considering that one player with a single account can pull in several billion a month if he devotes about a month to train up his other 2 character slots for profit-bearing activities, and that Alliances have thousands of players each being taxed on their income, it doesn't seem all that unreasonable for the ship to cost that much.
That's true i suppose. I guess it just seems like a big responsibility to be the guy flying that thing. Hats off to any Titan pilots out there.
Well, if nothing else, I have proven that beer and math do not mix!
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.28 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Cochrane
That's true i suppose. I guess it just seems like a big responsibility to be the guy flying that thing. Hats off to any Titan pilots out there.
Well, if nothing else, I have proven that beer and math do not mix!
You just haven't hit the Balmer Peak yet. Keep trying. :)
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Niklas
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Posted - 2010.12.28 08:23:00 -
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They are both too expensive, and too cheap.
Titans should, imo, cost roughly half the price they do now to purchase. They wouldn't be such obscenely expensive investments then, and CCP could make them easier to kill.
OTOH, Titans(and SC), should be very expensive to keep and maintain. A titan should cost a mammoth amount of money to keep around, meaning that if it doesn't get used, would be a mammoth amount of money wasted. Many billions a month, for one.
Tie titans(and probably SC) to a sov upgrade, that costs those many billions in fees, and if you want to be able to activate any module on the ship, the upgrade needs to be installed and online.
Without a steep cost associated with ownership, there numbers will simply continue to swell, as there is no incentive to not keep them around, aside from the paltry 350m a month for a plex for the pilot character.
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2010.12.28 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Medidranda Livoga on 28/12/2010 09:22:39 Tying supercaps into sov structures would just mean that anyone who is not holding sov cannot use them and would be unlikely to ever hold sov.
Additionally, there would be extremely strong incentive to gang up with as many people as you can to preserve your supercaps AND kill everything in range with that blob that did not agree to your blue offer. Even more so than it is currently.
Upkeep cost is more useful limitation, but it would have to be quite steep to convince people to drop their super accounts into dormancy. This would give more incentive to run bot accounts though.
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Yob tvay'matar
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Posted - 2010.12.28 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Cochrane but does anyone else think they're a little too expensive?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVmS5uBgaEU&playnext=1&list=PLFD808FBE2238819C&index=27
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.28 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jaina Sunspot Edited by: Jaina Sunspot on 28/12/2010 04:32:47
Originally by: Apollo Cochrane But like I said, an in-game ship costing thousands of real dollars is still a little nuts!
Cept it doesn't, anyone who would shill out that kind of money for pixels they don't even technically own is a moron.
It isn't a solo player ship, it is bought with scams and exploitation of an alliance. It shouldn't have a price one peron can afford.
This is closer to the truth. With so many people running bots most of the effort is in the logistics of tranporting the minerals and building the ship.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.28 16:59:00 -
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I like what Rolls-Royce used to say about their cars: "If you have to ask the price, then you can't afford one!" :) --
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.12.28 17:10:00 -
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Well lets look at some of the advantages to private ownership and see why it SHOULD NOT be cheap.
1. This is the most important one and one that is not considered often enough. Mobile base. You can put pretty much put all your ships/modules you will ever need for a campaign safely in the titan with little to no threat of losing ships. This is especially true if the station(s) are being reinforced then taken. Living in 0.0 the most aggravating thing is that given time your home will eventually get taken. Not having to base out of stations is pure win if things get dicey.
2. Mobile logistics. Partly a continuation of 1. If you need to evac, you simply dissappear with everything you own with one ship, one jump at a time. This holds true for moving assets anywhere for any reason.
3. Bridging beast. Blockaded in from invasion? Combat hot drops? Freighter movement? Fleet mobility? Need i say more...
4. Doomsday. Whatever. It sucks now compared to previous status. In large titan gatherings its deadly. Still its neat and better than nothing at all.
5. Clone bay. Clones anyone?
6. Weapons are more useful :p
7. Fleet bonuses. Pure win.
8. Hard to kill if owner is smart. Dont jump to cyno when attempting bridge. Log out before any aggression period. Dont be stupid. Period.
Disadvantages
1. Requires heavy alt commitment. I mean heavy. If you neglect this, welcome to hell.
2. Eggs one basket unless wealthy enough to replace it and you infact dont base out of it with all assets so everything is lost at once.
3. Short jump range. Kinda part of number 1 as well but its an important negative imo.
4. If caught solo, high probability of destruction. My feelings on them getting popped lean more towards baiting, betrayal and pure stupidity in general on behalf of the pilot more so than combat losses nowadays. With more isk appearing in game and multibillionaires popping up everyday it only makes sense you will see more appear and go poof.
To summarize....
They are very powerful and this is not even in reference to combat capabilities. Anybody who looks at a titan as a combat platform and not a logistics platform is either part of one of the major alliances where thats their only function or a dumb***. Sorry.
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