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SabotNoob SWARTA Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.12.29 00:10:00 - [1] Not sure if this is in the right forum... The other day I was able to use Cruise Missile Launcher II and loaded it with some Paradise Fury Cruise Missiles for a mission against Sansha. I'm sure it wasn't the Precision T2 missiles. I was averaging about 1000-1200 damage per shot (group of 6 launchers). When I switched back over to the T1 missile types, the damage went up to about 1400-1800 per shot. It was against the same target too. What am I missing here? The description says the T2's do a base of 384 damage while the T1's do 300. Even EFT says my DPS should be more with the T2 type. ____________________ Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.12.29 00:15:00 - [2] I cannae help but admire your alliance's name. Just wow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Missiles#Damage_Calculation
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.12.29 00:16:00 - [3] Fury missiles hit smaller/faster things poorly. As a rule, you can use them on battleships, battlecruisers, and destroyers. I wouldn't use them on cruisers. You will want to make sure you have 3 rigors and a target painter to use Furies. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -
SabotNoob SWARTA Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.12.29 00:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Liang Nuren Fury missiles hit smaller/faster things poorly. As a rule, you can use them on battleships, battlecruisers, and destroyers. I wouldn't use them on cruisers. You will want to make sure you have 3 rigors and a target painter to use Furies. -Liang That's the strange part. I was using them on a Sansha BS. I switched back and forth a few times between T1 and T2 on the same target and noticed the decreased damage with T2. ____________________ Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.12.29 00:28:00 - [5] Originally by: SabotNoob That's the strange part. I was using them on a Sansha BS. I switched back and forth a few times between T1 and T2 on the same target and noticed the decreased damage with T2. What's your fit and support skills? Were you using a target painter? Which Sansha BS were you shooting? Can you post excerpts from the logs from that session? -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.29 01:14:00 - [6] Originally by: SabotNoob Originally by: Liang Nuren Fury missiles hit smaller/faster things poorly. As a rule, you can use them on battleships, battlecruisers, and destroyers. I wouldn't use them on cruisers. You will want to make sure you have 3 rigors and a target painter to use Furies. -Liang That's the strange part. I was using them on a Sansha BS. I switched back and forth a few times between T1 and T2 on the same target and noticed the decreased damage with T2. Well that makes things interesting. Need moar data as said!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.29 01:34:00 - [7] I seem to recall that Sansha battleships can plod along at quite a decent speed once they get going ù perhaps not at Angel speeds, but still more than enough to make your Fury missiles cryà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2010.12.29 01:58:00 - [8] Did you change dmg types? Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
mmmBeef	Posted - 2010.12.29 02:15:00 - [9] Originally by: SabotNoob Not sure if this is in the right forum... The other day I was able to use Cruise Missile Launcher II and loaded it with some Paradise Fury Cruise Missiles for a mission against Sansha. I'm sure it wasn't the Precision T2 missiles. I was averaging about 1000-1200 damage per shot (group of 6 launchers). When I switched back over to the T1 missile types, the damage went up to about 1400-1800 per shot. It was against the same target too. What am I missing here? The description says the T2's do a base of 384 damage while the T1's do 300. Even EFT says my DPS should be more with the T2 type. looks at your name Hmmmmm... Looks at your alliance Wait... is this a troll. I don't get it? -- Let me google that for you.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.29 05:38:00 - [10] Assuming max skills, implants, rigors, etc., against a Centus Savage Lord: * if the BS is moving at orbit velocity of 140m/s, you'll need one TP to hit for full damage with Fury cruise missiles. * if the BS is moving at max velocity of 280m/s, with X TPs you'll do: - 0 TP: 50.8% damage - 1 TP: 67.9% damage - 2 TP: 77.4% damage - 3 TP: 94.3% damage The max velocity numbers do not factor in any sig bloom that may or may not be caused by an NPC's pseudo-mwd max velocity mode. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"

Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.12.29 05:46:00 - [11] Originally by: stoicfaux The max velocity numbers do not factor in any sig bloom that may or may not be caused by an NPC's pseudo-mwd max velocity mode. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.29 05:53:00 - [12] Edited by: stoicfaux on 29/12/2010 05:58:51 Edited by: stoicfaux on 29/12/2010 05:58:15 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: stoicfaux The max velocity numbers do not factor in any sig bloom that may or may not be caused by an NPC's pseudo-mwd max velocity mode. Yeah, yeah. Someone(tm) really needs to hop in a very fast cruise missile ship and do some testing to see just how big that bloom is and if it exists for some/all NPCs. [Tengu, Cruise Missile Test Platform] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Photon Scattering Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Photon Scattering Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Hobgoblin II x5 ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.12.29 11:30:00 - [13] Edited by: Sturmwolke on 29/12/2010 11:35:26 Meh, no need. Actually, if you do the reverse math (estimate) the probability that the OP's Raven has no Rigor rigs is almost a certainty. T1 Cruise (max skill) Dmg - 571 Ev - 103.5 Er - 225 DRF - 4.5 T2 Cruise Fury (max skill) Dmg - 731 Ev - 87 Er - 412.5 DRF - 4.7 Taking the Centus Savage Lord example, its EM resist is 43%. T1 Cruise volley damage = 57160.57 = 1953 applied damage. T2 Cruise Fury volley damage = 73160.57*0.56(reduction) = 1400 applied damage. That more or less agrees with the original ratio numbers from the OP. Edit: DRF typo error for Fury
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.29 11:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Sturmwolke Edited by: Sturmwolke on 29/12/2010 11:35:26 Meh, no need. Actually, if you do the reverse math (estimate) the probability that the OP's Raven has no Rigor rigs is almost a certainty. T1 Cruise (max skill) Dmg - 571 Ev - 103.5 Er - 225 DRF - 4.5 T2 Cruise Fury (max skill) Dmg - 731 Ev - 87 Er - 412.5 DRF - 4.7 Taking the Centus Savage Lord example, its EM resist is 43%. T1 Cruise volley damage = 57160.57 = 1953 applied damage. T2 Cruise Fury volley damage = 73160.57*0.56(reduction) = 1400 applied damage. That more or less agrees with the original ratio numbers from the OP. Edit: DRF typo error for Fury wtf? T2 missiles have a worse exp velocity than T1's? And the range is less... wtf.
Ruareve	Posted - 2010.12.29 12:18:00 - [15] I recently trained for T2 cruise as well and noticed the lower damage numbers. I put a TP on my rattlesnake to compensate, but after reading this I think the answer for most missions is to just use T1 ammo.
SabotNoob SWARTA Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:07:00 - [16] Edited by: SabotNoob on 29/12/2010 17:15:18 Originally by: Liang Nuren What's your fit and support skills? Were you using a target painter? Which Sansha BS were you shooting? Can you post excerpts from the logs from that session? -Liang Fit (off the top of my head): Raven Highs: 6 x Cruise Missile Launcher II 1 x Tractor Beam 1 x Drone Link Augmentor Mids: 3 x Damage Specific Shield Hardeners II's 1 x Large Shield Booster II 1 x Shield Amplifier I 1 x Cap Recharger II Lows: 4 x Ballistic Control System II 1 x Capacitor Flux Coil Rigs: 3 x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Support skills are good, at level 4's and some 5's. I wasn't using a Target Painter, no, although I can use a T2 TP. I don't know if the logs are still there, this was two days ago now. I'll save 'em next time. The Sansha BS was the one that looks like a Nightmare but I don't remember its name (I know there's different versions of it in Sansha, but I was switching between T1 and T2 on the same target when I noticed the difference). EDIT: The Sansha BS was also flying away from me at a constant speed. ____________________ Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in three moves.
SabotNoob SWARTA Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Ruareve I recently trained for T2 cruise as well and noticed the lower damage numbers. I put a TP on my rattlesnake to compensate, but after reading this I think the answer for most missions is to just use T1 ammo. Yeah, that WOULD make sense. Cheaper missiles plus a free mid slot after dropping the TP, no? ____________________ Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in three moves.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:23:00 - [18] Yup, the lack of Rigors makes Fury unattractive. Alternatives are to use Faction ammo (expensive) or replace the 3 CCCs and Cap Recharger with a Cap Booster, 3 Rigor rigs, and upgrade the shield to an XL. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:30:00 - [19] :CCP: is great at game balance, needing a bunch of rig slots and a target painter so cruise missiles can hit a battleship is really really inspired genius.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:37:00 - [20] Originally by: stoicfaux Yup, the lack of Rigors makes Fury unattractive. Alternatives are to use Faction ammo (expensive) or replace the 3 CCCs and Cap Recharger with a Cap Booster, 3 Rigor rigs, and upgrade the shield to an XL. That fit is so much win. 7x Cruise II (or CN Cruise if you are lazy) CN/DG XL, Hvy Cap Booster II, 3x T2 Hardeners, Painter (RF/Domi/PWNAGE) 4x CN BCU, Sig Amp II Rigor II, 2x Rigor I Definitely one of the best mission ships in the game. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -

Pod Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Lady Skank :CCP: is great at game balance, needing a bunch of rig slots and a target painter so cruise missiles can hit a battleship is really really inspired genius. This should be made a sticky.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:58:00 - [22] CCP conveniently forgot about T2 missiles when re-balancing T2 ammo this last round. Missiles make their hardware bleed. Take a hint.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2010.12.29 19:47:00 - [23] 1. Fly minmatar? 2. ??? 3. Profit. Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S
Ruareve	Posted - 2010.12.30 00:35:00 - [24] Originally by: SabotNoob Originally by: Ruareve I recently trained for T2 cruise as well and noticed the lower damage numbers. I put a TP on my rattlesnake to compensate, but after reading this I think the answer for most missions is to just use T1 ammo. Yeah, that WOULD make sense. Cheaper missiles plus a free mid slot after dropping the TP, no? Well, I was trying to increase my dps, the tank portion of my rattler is solid. Furie's don't increase my DPS and the penalties/hooops just aren't worth it for what I do. I can see their value against dreads or POS's or something huge and slow, but otherwise T1 missiles are better IMO.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.12.30 01:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Ruareve Well, I was trying to increase my dps, the tank portion of my rattler is solid. Furie's don't increase my DPS and the penalties/hooops just aren't worth it for what I do. I can see their value against dreads or POS's or something huge and slow, but otherwise T1 missiles are better IMO. Depends if you like making 25M ISK/hr or 75M ISK/hr. /shrug -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -
Aamrr	Posted - 2010.12.30 01:52:00 - [26] Oh, Liang...
Kalel Nimrott	Posted - 2010.12.30 02:56:00 - [27] Against Sleepers BS, furys are a must
Wardeneo Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.30 05:19:00 - [28] Edited by: Wardeneo on 30/12/2010 05:20:33 Originally by: Anubis Xian Did you change dmg types? this ^^ . - Wardeneo - - Elite Forum Ninja -


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