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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.31 18:03:00 -
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Hi guys, I've discovered a desire to research massive numbers of blueprints in the most efficient and effective way possible using a personal high-sec POS. Can anyone give me some advice about the best way to organize operations?
I have six characters on two accounts, four of which I can permanently place in the researching alt-corp. The other two will be in nullsec and it's not convenient for them to attend to research jobs except the very slow, weeks-long ones.
What's the maximum number of research jobs each character can manage, what skills do they need, and what's the maximum research capacity of a large POS? Will I be able to keep the POS researching at its full capacity, or do I only have enough characters to utilize a small or medium?
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.31 18:20:00 -
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Well absolyte max any character can handle research jobs is 11. But that last one takes long time to train... Practicly limit can is usually 10 jobs..
With correct skills you can run those research jobs anywhere in region where pos is.
Well im sure you can keep large pos reasonably busy on research jobs...
More important question is can you make isk to cover cost of pos fuel that way?
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2010.12.31 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Velicitia on 31/12/2010 18:25:00
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
What's the maximum number of research jobs each character can manage, what skills do they need, and what's the maximum research capacity of a large POS? Will I be able to keep the POS researching at its full capacity, or do I only have enough characters to utilize a small or medium?
Max slots -- 11 with Adv. Laboratory Operation V.
Max Capy -- depends on factors. (see below, assuming nothing else, nor any copy/invention usage) A large Caldari tower can support 15 Mobile Labs. That's 45 ME and 45 PE slots overall (90 slots total). Max skills, you're looking at 40-60 utilization. Large Gallente can support 13 labs (39 ME/PE, 78 overall).
Medium Caldari can support 7 labs (21 ME/PE, 42 overall). Medium Gallente can suppport 6 labs (18 ME/PE, 36 overall).
looks like the best route for 4 characters would me the medium... and you have a few slots left over (or for using copy slots).
EDIT -->
now, you would NOT want to do that ofc. you'll want at least a few guns and other things in space with your labs...
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Jack Norris
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2010.12.31 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Norris on 31/12/2010 18:30:45 Advanced Lab Operation - Raises your research slot up to 11 Metallurgy - Reduces your ME research time Research - Reduces your PE research time Science - Reduces your copying time Scientific Networking - Allows you to research your blueprint while you're not in the same system as POS and blueprint
Assuming you're going for purely ME and PE research, Caldari towers is the best way to go. You can fit 7 Mobile Lab, each will have 3 ME and 3 PE as well 1 copy slot giving you a total of 21 ME slot and 21 PE slot.
With 4 alts, lets assume they each can run 10 research jobs, that might be sufficient but based on past experience, a medium tower isn't sufficent since there tends to be longer and more ME research job than PE. I would go with a large tower which in that case, you'll be able to have 15 mobile lab with 45 ME and PE research slot available.
Btw, unless your alt-research corp is in the same alliance as your 2 alts in null, they won't be able to use the POS for research. Since they're in null, they're better off using NPC station since its barely used compared to highsec NPC station.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.31 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Norris Assuming you're going for purely ME and PE research, Caldari towers is the best way to go. You can fit 7 Mobile Lab, each will have 3 ME and 3 PE as well 1 copy slot giving you a total of 21 ME slot and 21 PE slot.
With 4 alts, lets assume they each can run 10 research jobs, that might be sufficient but based on past experience, a medium tower isn't sufficent since there tends to be longer and more ME research job than PE. I would go with a large tower which in that case, you'll be able to have 15 mobile lab with 45 ME and PE research slot available.
Thanks, this is very helpful. One thing I'm wondering about: does a queued research job count against the ones that a character can manage? In other words, if a character can only manage 10 jobs, does that mean 5 running jobs and 5 queued jobs is the max? Since I want to keep the POS labs running 24/7, I want to use queuing, and that means my four characters may only be able to run 20 jobs...
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Jack Norris
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2010.12.31 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Norris on 31/12/2010 19:41:06 Queued job does count against what can managed. If 4 of your researchers can do combined 40 jobs and you're doing only ME job with 7 mobile labs, you'll end up with 19 jobs in the queue.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:02:00 -
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Whether or not it's been stated yet...
ME/PE/Invention/Copy all use research slots. You'll be doing far more ME research then PE so I would recommend a large tower. While a large caldari isn't expensive, I'd suggest a large Dread Gurista simply for the fuel savings, extra grid/cpu, and much greater defensive capability.
You'll definitely want Adv labs for copying, and without looking I think invention (might be off on that, to lazy to login and look). Regular labs can handle everything else.
Realistically you'll be able to do 10 jobs per char. If you decide to do any manufacturing those are seperate from research slots of course.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre Wraith
You'll definitely want Adv labs for copying, and without looking I think invention (might be off on that, to lazy to login and look).
Regular labs have 5 invention slots and advanced labs have 2.
5 advanced labs and 4 mobile labs will give you: 22 ME slots 12 PE slots 19 Copy slots 30 Invention slots
Which is a very good mix and will fit with a CHA for extra fuel and still have some CPU left over.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Spectre Wraith on 31/12/2010 23:22:21 Yeah I wasn't sure offhand if I was mixing up regular and advanced with the invention slots. I know I always use regular for it anyways.
At the moment I'm running 5 regular labs and 2 advanced labs and I'll probably add one more regular lab.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77 5 advanced labs and 4 mobile labs will give you: 22 ME slots 12 PE slots 19 Copy slots 30 Invention slots
So... which kind of lab have more ME than PE? Because all I really care about are ME at the moment.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.01 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
So... which kind of lab have more ME than PE? Because all I really care about are ME at the moment.
Mobile labs have 3 ME and 3 PE
Advanced labs have 2 ME and 0 PE
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BorderRunner 97
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Posted - 2011.01.01 00:12:00 -
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Mobile Laboratory
This structure has:
1 copy slot (0.75 job time bonus) 3 ME slots (0.75 job time bonus) 3 PE slots (0.75 job time bonus) 5 Invention slots (0.5 job time bonus)
Those are pretty good and have the highest PE slot unless you wanna shell out over 200m for a 4ME and 4PE lab but I think its a bit of a waist shelling out almost 150m more then the Mobile Laboratory
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.01 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre Wraith While a large caldari isn't expensive, I'd suggest a large Dread Gurista simply for the fuel savings, extra grid/cpu, and much greater defensive capability.
Faction towers do not have more CPU or grid, but they do have more shield.
If you buy a faction tower, you are paying the fuel savings in advance. It can take a very long time (years) to break-even on the savings. There is also an opportunity cost for having all that ISK invested in the control tower.
The secondary advantage of a faction tower is that it uses less fuel but holds the same amount, so that it you don't have to refuel as often. In hisec this really isn't important (I refuel with a freighter in one trip).
I own a large Caldari. I started with a medium Dread Guristas, and quickly sold it and bought a large Domination. I later sold the large Domination and bought the large Caldari, and invested most of the 2.2 billion I got from the sale (Caldari towers are under 200m) into buying more BPO.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.01 01:01:00 -
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I stand corrected about the cpu/grid.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.01 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: BorderRunner 97 Mobile Laboratory
This structure has:
1 copy slot (0.75 job time bonus) 3 ME slots (0.75 job time bonus) 3 PE slots (0.75 job time bonus) 5 Invention slots (0.5 job time bonus)
Those are pretty good and have the highest PE slot unless you wanna shell out over 200m for a 4ME and 4PE lab but I think its a bit of a waist shelling out almost 150m more then the Mobile Laboratory
Interesting, it has 12 slots. Seems like instead of my original blueprint-researching plan, I should come up with a hybrid plan that involves both researching and inventing, in order to absolutely maximize the value I get from my POS fuel investment.
Thanks for all the tips.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.01 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 01/01/2011 02:00:15
Of course, the Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory is reward from the Caldari Epic arc, Penumbra. You can get one every 3 months (per character of course).
4 ME slots (0.75 job time bonus) 4 PE slots (0.75 job time bonus) 6 Invention slots (0.5 job time bonus)
You lose the copy slot, but an advanced lab is better at that anyways.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.01 10:47:00 -
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Cybernetics 5 for the research impants --
Join BIG
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BorderRunner 97
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 01/01/2011 02:00:15
Of course, the Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory is reward from the Caldari Epic arc, Penumbra. You can get one every 3 months (per character of course).
4 ME slots (0.75 job time bonus) 4 PE slots (0.75 job time bonus) 6 Invention slots (0.5 job time bonus)
You lose the copy slot, but an advanced lab is better at that anyways.
Yes but he could buy at least 4 regular Mobile lats for the same price and have more PE, ME, Invention and Coping slots
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: BorderRunner 97 Edited by: BorderRunner 97 on 01/01/2011 17:49:04
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Of course, the Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory is reward from the Caldari Epic arc, Penumbra. You can get one every 3 months (per character of course).
4 ME slots (0.75 job time bonus) 4 PE slots (0.75 job time bonus) 6 Invention slots (0.5 job time bonus)
You lose the copy slot, but an advanced lab is better at that anyways.
Yes but he could buy at least 4 regular Mobile lats for the same price and have more PE, ME, Invention and Coping slots if he doesn't have lack of CPU and Power if he does 1 or 2 Mobile labs iis still better off
I think he was hinting that if op eventyally finds some spare time in hes hands he might consider doing that epic arch since that special poslab is guite nice.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.02 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dasola I think he was hinting that if op eventyally finds some spare time in hes hands he might consider doing that epic arch since that special poslab is guite nice.
Yes, exactly.
Some of my corp members have also done the arc and donated their Hyasyoda labs for use at the research POS, so it doesn't have to take long to obtain several.
The ISK reward of the arc isn't bad either. It is around 120 million. The Caldari arc has a lot of courier missions (a fast covert ship is required), and few combat missions, so it is quick to run. I usually complete it over a weekend.
The only downside is that one needs 6.8 standing with Expert Distribution or Caldari to start Penumbra.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2011.01.02 04:21:00 -
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I didn't relize you could run so many jobs at once if set up correctly, it just requires a few characters to do it. I gave up though, went to try it out on the test server few months back and see what setting up a POS requires, Tower just finishes anchoring and server comes down. Wait half an hour, find it needs an update, and after the sixth week of the patch process "corrupting" requiring a re-download the entire game I got frustrated. Never got to really look at the Sansha Incursions, new character creator, and PI as well . Really wish they would hurry up with it, 3 weeks is to long to wait!
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