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Iceni
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Posted - 2011.01.05 11:55:00 -
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When I first started playing in EVE seven years ago I spent a lot of time in 0.0, mostly in the region now called Querious. My corp joined the CFS, we had a good time, but things moved on as they do. The alliance infrastructure was added to the game, things became more organised but the local politics got confused and heavy, hostile corps started to rule the roost more. About the same time RL commitments had reduced my gameplay to sessions of 1-2 hours at a time so I retired to a more relaxed life in empire space and settled into the carebearing and L4 mission running thing, with a small corp of like minded players. For years I have played 3-4 times a week mainly to chill out from work, but I got made redundant recently and now have more time I can spend in EVE. My main has now accrued over 100 million skillpoints, can fly/do almost anything subcapital and is running out of useful things to train, about the only thing left is the capital stuff.
So... is there anywhere in 0.0 where fun can still be had without prostrating yourself before politicised power-crazy egomaniacs? Is the capital stuff worth the investment? Has anyone made the same move recently... if so, your views please!
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.01.05 12:08:00 -
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NPC 0.0
Nothing else is worth the :effort:.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.05 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Iceni So... is there anywhere in 0.0 where fun can still be had without prostrating yourself before politicised power-crazy egomaniacs? Is the capital stuff worth the investment? Has anyone made the same move recently... if so, your views please!
Many 0.0 alliances give almost total freedom to individual players (some rules exist... like no smacktalking in local, scamming,... etc.) and if you forget about reading CAOD, you won't see any politics at all if you don't want to. Anyone who say that 0.0 is for hard core gamers only is just too afraid to go live in nullsec and/or have never lived in nullsec before.
Capital stuff is worth the investment, if that's your game. Playing EVE in a capital ship is a whole new dimension of the game and it's totally different from sub-capital "version". You're the one who have to decide if it's worth it or not.
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Desya Dak'ann
Caldari All Saints Syndicate Resonance Cascade Scenario
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Posted - 2011.01.05 12:39:00 -
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As a former member of WI. 0.0 is so ****ing worth it, the tears, the lols, the **** happens is all what makes eve a brilliant game.
I was in 0.0 for a total of 17 days before my RL forced me back to empire, however, in those 17 days, I had a brilliant time. We had over 1500 in local wasting the PNQY station, the small gangs that totally eradicated a roam almost double our size, pvp and 0.0 is a completely different experience to pve, it really gets your adrenalin pumping THIS IS NOW A WIDOT FAILTHREAD! |
S'Way
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.05 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik (some rules exist... like no smacktalking in local, scamming,... etc.)
Depends on the 0.0 corp if even those exist.
Simply put if you want to experience all eve has to offer then you'll only find it in 0.0. With the right corp it can be the most fun you have in eve...with the wrong corp you'll feel like a dog following it's masters orders.
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
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Posted - 2011.01.05 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Iceni ............can fun still be had without prostrating yourself before politicised power-crazy egomaniacs?
No.
And that seems to be just the way CCP likes it.
But don't take my word for it. You'll soon see for yourself.
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
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Posted - 2011.01.05 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Anyone who say that 0.0 is for hard core gamers only is just too afraid to go live in nullsec and/or have never lived in nullsec before.
What a horsecrap statement.
Plenty of people have left nullsec because they got tired of being meatshield fodder for the lag fests.
What's the point of having a fight if you never get a chance to activate a module?
WTF is the point of being in a great fleet fight when the grid never loads and you wake up in a clone vat 30 minutes later.
MAybe *YOU* like that crap. A lot of us didn't, and left.
No worries tho, a new crop of idiots comes along every day to keep the meatshield express running along just fine for the overlords.
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Plenty of people have left nullsec because they got tired of being meatshield fodder for the lag fests.
What's the point of having a fight if you never get a chance to activate a module?
WTF is the point of being in a great fleet fight when the grid never loads and you wake up in a clone vat 30 minutes later.
MAybe *YOU* like that crap. A lot of us didn't, and left.
No worries tho, a new crop of idiots comes along every day to keep the meatshield express running along just fine for the overlords.
Quoting the truth.
Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite PWNED THEORY
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 05/01/2011 13:13:44
Originally by: Iceni So... is there anywhere in 0.0 where fun can still be had without prostrating yourself before politicised power-crazy egomaniacs? Is the capital stuff worth the investment? Has anyone made the same move recently... if so, your views please!
Yea I am about to get flamed hard... but meh...
I live in Empire, I do so because the part that I highlighted is basically the norm. The amount of work and tedium that goes into running a functional 0.0 alliance requires a rather unpleasant set of personality traits from the leadership.
Corporations have no real ties to one another in a large Alliance. You are forced to tolerate asshats whom you would much rather pod if giving the opportunity. PVP becomes a mindless exercise of sitting in front of your computer for an hour or two, hitting the primary and re-shiping when you die. The only reason to live in 0.0 is because you want to bank stupid amounts of ISK to fly ships that people think will make up for their lack of PVP skill.
I know this because I have run PVP schools in EVE for a few years now. I cannot tell you how many X-null Sec players with tons of SP came to me and had no clue what PVP was As a rule of thumb, the bigger the ship the stupider and less capable the pilot tends to be [Cough's Titan Epeen]
The only people who seem to have fun are folks who attach themselves to a spot in low sec and don't bother with the CTA's at all. They are basically just using their presence inside of a Null Sec Alliance to score ISK and fuel their pirating habits. Screwing over the big man basically, slipping through the cracks and having a good time doing it.
The Most Fun I Had In 0.0
My last act before leaving Null Sec for good was ganking one of the Alliance FC's while he was running a sanctum. me and a few friends nuked his complex fitted pirate ship and popped his HG Crystal Set... the guy was an ass an a half and more then deserved it. Prob one of the most satisfying moments in the history of my game play
After all who do you server? Some fat man who works at Best Buy? HE can tell you what to do with your 15 bucks a month?
No thanks... Ill pass.
/flame on. /Rant off.
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PreZiDenT1
The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:11:00 -
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0.0 is golden because it is filled with people who cant fit their ships correctly. Just like in empire.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Anyone who say that 0.0 is for hard core gamers only is just too afraid to go live in nullsec and/or have never lived in nullsec before.
What a horsecrap statement.
Plenty of people have left nullsec because they got tired of being meatshield fodder for the lag fests.
What's the point of having a fight if you never get a chance to activate a module?
WTF is the point of being in a great fleet fight when the grid never loads and you wake up in a clone vat 30 minutes later.
MAybe *YOU* like that crap. A lot of us didn't, and left.
No worries tho, a new crop of idiots comes along every day to keep the meatshield express running along just fine for the overlords.
Come on... you're not even trying
0.0 isn't all about lagfests. People still choose to go in big fights or not to go, depending on computer configuration, Internet bandwidth available, time of the fight, time they have to dedicate to the game that day and their general mood about what they feel like spending their time in game at the moment.
You are forgetting that people are playing this game - actual living, breathing, concious organisms... not some in-game character that is a member of a fictional spaceship corporation.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:30:00 -
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It's a computer game that YOU pay YOUR money for. Now the question you need to ask yourself is do you want to work and pay money to take orders from some anonymous "leader" who you know nothing about.
Especially if he is an anonymous jerk? This answers your question.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:34:00 -
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love it how people like BellaDonna Nyghtshade assume that all corps are **** like the one he was in, some 0.0 alliances are a right laugh.
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
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Posted - 2011.01.05 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik ......People still choose to go in big fights or not to go...........
Sure they do.
Right up until the RED LETTER ALARM CLOCK OP that the alliance leadership tells YOUR ceo that anyone who doesn't show up must be kicked.
That's right, your own CEO has no choice but to kick you if you don't show. That, or he faces getting the whole corp booted.
If you haven't experienced this, my fine fellow, then you haven't a clue WTF you are talking about.
THAT is real life politics in major alliance nullsec.
THAT is what we are on about.
And THAT is exactly and precisely the way CCP likes it.
So take your soft-sell elsewhere. The truth will be told here.
At least the next wave of hapless idiots headed for the meat grinder will know what they are in for.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2011.01.05 14:05:00 -
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0.0 is exactly what you describe. Non player sov 0.0 is probably the only place you can relax. Even there you might still get pushed out. Atleast there you wont lose a station and can move out at your convenience. Good luck.
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Iceni
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Posted - 2011.01.05 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness Edited by: Jovialmadness on 05/01/2011 14:13:23
0.0 is exactly what you think from what i can gather. Non player sov 0.0 is probably the only place you can relax. Even there you might still get pushed out. Atleast there you wont lose a station and can move out at your convenience. Good luck.
So where is the non-player sov space these days... and are there any good corps managing to survive there long term?
Also, it sounds like I'm not the only long-term player who's resettled in empire. What are the rest of you doing now to keep the interest levels up?
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.05 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Iceni
So where is the non-player sov space these days...
Same regions it's always been; Curse, Syndicate, Great Wildlands, Fountain, Pure Blind, Venal, Delve.
As for corps there, don't confuse "no CAOD presence" with "nothing happening there".
PS you might also consider W-space. Signed, Pheusia |
Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.01.05 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik ......People still choose to go in big fights or not to go...........
Sure they do.
Right up until the RED LETTER ALARM CLOCK OP that the alliance leadership tells YOUR ceo that anyone who doesn't show up must be kicked.
That's right, your own CEO has no choice but to kick you if you don't show. That, or he faces getting the whole corp booted.
If you haven't experienced this, my fine fellow, then you haven't a clue WTF you are talking about.
THAT is real life politics in major alliance nullsec.
THAT is what we are on about.
And THAT is exactly and precisely the way CCP likes it.
So take your soft-sell elsewhere. The truth will be told here.
At least the next wave of hapless idiots headed for the meat grinder will know what they are in for.
Complete bull****. Not a single 0.0 alliance has ever or could ever expect 100% participation on any CTA. If a major power said that 100% participation is mandatory and everyone has to alarm clock, call out of work and be online for a CTA then the form up system would have thousands of people. You would lag death the node before the fight even began. If you never show up on CTAs but maybe once every few months, then throwing down an ultimatum for you to be there is well within their rights and within their expectations of you.
CEOs always have the final say on who gets booted. If your CEO booted you, then you were the problem, not the CEO/Alliance. If the CEO refuses, then he does risk getting entire corp booted, but a good CEO should recognize that as "for the best" if an alliance kicks a corp for a single member's actions. (Unless that single member's actions are particularly deplorable and then supported by that member's CEO.)
Here is my take. I lived in hisec for years. Finally at the convincing of a couple RL friends and a lot of liquor I submitted an application to a 0.0 alliance. I have never had as much fun in Eve. I went from 0 PvP experience to 30 kills my first week in 0.0 and never looked back. I wish I moved to null much sooner. I have lived under some of the most controlling leaders in Eve and still had tons of fun. If you had a crap time in 0.0, it is because you were in wrong corp/alliance. That goes for anything in Eve. Since this game is pretty open, if you have a bad time, you have only yourself to blame. Do not paint a broad picture of how crappy life is out in nullsec just because you had a bad experience.
Eve is not a solo game. People who mission run and do industry in small >15 member corps have no idea what they are missing. Everything from BSing in alliance/corp comms to major CTAs with thousands in local is something everyone should experience at least once in their Eve career.
TL;DR: Go out and experience the multi-player side of Eve. It is truly amazing and tons of fun. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
Complete bull****. Not a single 0.0 alliance has ever or could ever expect 100% participation on any CTA.
Isn't it amazing how little you know?
Even more amazing how loudly you crow about it.
These things DO exist, Virginia.
That *YOU* haven't experienced them means diddly squat.
Plenty of us have, and that's why we left.
Sadly, it still goes on, because of numbnuts proclaiming that these things don't happen.
The poor nublets looking for glory continue to march down the meatgrinder ramp of doom.
You like your null setup? Bully for you.
Not everyone had it so good.
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade Isn't it amazing how little you know?
Even more amazing how loudly you crow about it.
These things DO exist, Virginia.
That *YOU* haven't experienced them means diddly squat.
Plenty of us have, and that's why we left.
How big was this amazing 100% participation alliance? If it was over 200 members, then I assure you that 100% participation will never happen. Frankly if it was less than 1000 members, then you were in a renter and can hardly count yourself as part of a sov holding 0.0 alliance since you always had a larger alliance to hold your hand.
But of course, since you had such a terrible time in big-bad nullsec that must mean everyone is having a bad time, right? -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
But of course, since you had such a terrible time in big-bad nullsec that must mean everyone is having a bad time, right?
That *YOU* haven't experienced them means diddly squat.
Plenty of us have, and that's why we left.
Wrote slow and in crayon for you this time.
You sound like an alliance recruiter ffs. Get a real job, eh?
Are you a Molle alt? Goon?
No, wait, I get it. You are a Russian!
Камрад!
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Originally by: Joe SMASH
But of course, since you had such a terrible time in big-bad nullsec that must mean everyone is having a bad time, right?
That *YOU* haven't experienced them means diddly squat.
Plenty of us have, and that's why we left.
Wrote slow and in crayon for you this time.
You sound like an alliance recruiter ffs. Get a real job, eh?
Are you a Molle alt? Goon?
No, wait, I get it. You are a Russian!
Камрад!
Well, you sound like a bear who went to play in 0.0 and lost a ship and cried all the way back to hisec.
I cannot be a Goon because I can write complete sentences. Molle alt would be cool though. I will take that one as a compliment. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:33:00 -
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As some of the new residents of Querious, I can say we have a good time without having to sacrifice too much. Just have to follow the coalition around on our little crusades. But thats the point of 0.0
Gullible
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
I cannot be a Goon because I can write complete sentences.
Oh, really?
Originally by: Joe SMASH Molle alt would be cool though.
Irony, thy cut is deep and strong.
Originally by: Joe SMASH I will take that one as a compliment.
You would. You sound just like one of his sweaty sack lickers.
Too bad for him the Russian mob has more money.
Камрад!
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:41:00 -
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Neither side of this argument is right or wrong.
It all depends on which corp you end up with, and what area of space they are in. There are huge wars going on in 0.0 right now, so some research is pretty important before choosing where to live. If you end up in a contested area of space, you will be forced to defend it. That is all good and fine, unless you are not wanting to be told what to do.
One name I haven't heard in a long time is Morsus Mihi, which leads me to believe they are not involved in any huge battles. However, they could be part of coalitions that are involved in huge battles, this I was never sure of. They are a pretty good PVP corp (Alliance?) with some sovereignty last I checked (Long time ago), and from what I hear they like to have fun. This is of course ALL speculation ;)
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Christopher AET
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:49:00 -
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Okay in my experience if you are online during a CTA then you really should attend providing you were given sufficent notice. If a home defence fleet comes up and you are in home systems you really should grab your pvp ship and help. Of course some people can put in more time than others. Being safe in station while your mates are defending really aint on.
On the other side people are not expected to miss work/stay up all night/shun their family for a CTA/home defence.
There is a happy medium. 0.0 requires commitment but not total devotion. If you are not having fun then perhaps your current location/corp/alliance is not for you.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.05 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 Neither side of this argument is right or wrong.
It all depends on which corp you end up with, and what area of space they are in. There are huge wars going on in 0.0 right now, so some research is pretty important before choosing where to live. If you end up in a contested area of space, you will be forced to defend it. That is all good and fine, unless you are not wanting to be told what to do.
One name I haven't heard in a long time is Morsus Mihi, which leads me to believe they are not involved in any huge battles. However, they could be part of coalitions that are involved in huge battles, this I was never sure of. They are a pretty good PVP corp (Alliance?) with some sovereignty last I checked (Long time ago), and from what I hear they like to have fun. This is of course ALL speculation ;)
Well, it's not an argument if you have one character that is using foul language and trying to derail a thread instead of answering OP's question.
Long time ago, I was a part of one highsec alliance that got a chance to step into nullsec for the first time. Being one of the most active PvP-ers, I've even been a consultant of the alliance leader and was involved in our little coalition's "high command" (if that's the right expression for what we had back then). Not even then I felt or made any pressure to be in a CTA despite being in a contested part of space. We were not renters or pets - we were simply a meatshield between two powerblocks. Back then I mostly chose to participate because it was all new and fun to me.
In a large alliance, the story is different. You can chose to stay out of big fights, but every participant of a battle have his own reason to be there. You even have a choice to form a small or medium sized gang and guard the pipe leading to the battle contested system. You are not lagging to death and you still have some proper PvP fun. I admire the passion and the amount of time dedicated by alliance leaders and FCs - for those guys, EVE really is like a second job. As a simple member that doesn't want to be involved in politics or leadership, you do have a choice.
Without revealing anything you can't get on killboards, I'll just inform you that Morsus Mihi is involved in many large fights. LXQ battle (3000+ in local), recent supercapital fight against Pandemic Legion (8 titans destroyed in total) and we had a big war/invasion last spring/summer. Some other major fights happened too, but having an actual RL job, I'm only a casual gamer who can't keep track of everything that happens in the game. Which brings us to the point - a casual gamer that can only play once in a while can live in nullsec and choose what he will do while logged in. It's all about the people around you. And yes, whenever I have a chance or time in RL to play and be involved in a large fight, I choose to be in it because of my own reasons.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2011.01.05 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Iceni
Originally by: Jovialmadness Edited by: Jovialmadness on 05/01/2011 14:13:23
0.0 is exactly what you think from what i can gather. Non player sov 0.0 is probably the only place you can relax. Even there you might still get pushed out. Atleast there you wont lose a station and can move out at your convenience. Good luck.
So where is the non-player sov space these days... and are there any good corps managing to survive there long term?
Also, it sounds like I'm not the only long-term player who's resettled in empire. What are the rest of you doing now to keep the interest levels up?
Most of the time ousted alliances or whats left of them till they can reorganize go to these npc locations.
As far as interest level maintenance, well thats really the hard part imo. Gotta keep finding yourself in this game thats for sure. |
Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2011.01.05 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 Neither side of this argument is right or wrong.
It all depends on which corp you end up with, and what area of space they are in. There are huge wars going on in 0.0 right now, so some research is pretty important before choosing where to live. If you end up in a contested area of space, you will be forced to defend it. That is all good and fine, unless you are not wanting to be told what to do.
One name I haven't heard in a long time is Morsus Mihi, which leads me to believe they are not involved in any huge battles. However, they could be part of coalitions that are involved in huge battles, this I was never sure of. They are a pretty good PVP corp (Alliance?) with some sovereignty last I checked (Long time ago), and from what I hear they like to have fun. This is of course ALL speculation ;)
Well, it's not an argument if you have one character that is using foul language and trying to derail a thread instead of answering OP's question.
Long time ago, I was a part of one highsec alliance that got a chance to step into nullsec for the first time. Being one of the most active PvP-ers, I've even been a consultant of the alliance leader and was involved in our little coalition's "high command" (if that's the right expression for what we had back then). Not even then I felt or made any pressure to be in a CTA despite being in a contested part of space. We were not renters or pets - we were simply a meatshield between two powerblocks. Back then I mostly chose to participate because it was all new and fun to me.
In a large alliance, the story is different. You can chose to stay out of big fights, but every participant of a battle have his own reason to be there. You even have a choice to form a small or medium sized gang and guard the pipe leading to the battle contested system. You are not lagging to death and you still have some proper PvP fun. I admire the passion and the amount of time dedicated by alliance leaders and FCs - for those guys, EVE really is like a second job. As a simple member that doesn't want to be involved in politics or leadership, you do have a choice.
Without revealing anything you can't get on killboards, I'll just inform you that Morsus Mihi is involved in many large fights. LXQ battle (3000+ in local), recent supercapital fight against Pandemic Legion (8 titans destroyed in total) and we had a big war/invasion last spring/summer. Some other major fights happened too, but having an actual RL job, I'm only a casual gamer who can't keep track of everything that happens in the game. Which brings us to the point - a casual gamer that can only play once in a while can live in nullsec and choose what he will do while logged in. It's all about the people around you. And yes, whenever I have a chance or time in RL to play and be involved in a large fight, I choose to be in it because of my own reasons.
If I remember right, you put out notice of invasion of the Drone Regions, and followed through? I think it was you guys. I was living in IRC space at the time.
I was basically refering to "0.0 sucks" to "0.0 rocks" argument. TBH I didn't read many threads after I noticed some people were derailing the thread.
But everyone has different experiences, I suppose even in contested space. Anytime I've lived in contested space, evemails like "PARTICIPATE OR YOU'RE OUT" spammed my inbox, from alliance leader, sent to all corporations.
To my original post, I wasn't taking a shot at MM, on the contrary. I've had nothing but respect for them. Just wasn't sure where they stand in the whole coalition wars thing. People only refer to "NC" or "NCDot" etc etc now, and I have no idea who is on what side, and where they're fighting. I just know there are major wars, and I'm pretty sure MM has been safe from invasion for a while.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.05 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 05/01/2011 17:36:30
Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik ......People still choose to go in big fights or not to go...........
Sure they do.
Right up until the RED LETTER ALARM CLOCK OP that the alliance leadership tells YOUR ceo that anyone who doesn't show up must be kicked.
That's right, your own CEO has no choice but to kick you if you don't show. That, or he faces getting the whole corp booted.
If you haven't experienced this, my fine fellow, then you haven't a clue WTF you are talking about.
THAT is real life politics in major alliance nullsec.
THAT is what we are on about.
And THAT is exactly and precisely the way CCP likes it.
So take your soft-sell elsewhere. The truth will be told here.
At least the next wave of hapless idiots headed for the meat grinder will know what they are in for.
QFT this is why I leave 0.0 corps every time.
CTAs where everyone must attend and they have a dozen people roaming around their space shooting anyone ratting (edit: for clarification, blue on blue here).
Of course, when they start that its because things are going badly. The gangs get smaller, whenever you play you end up getting slaughtered while the alliance leadership are moving assets out.
Then the blobs appear and you cannot activate modules in fights anymore. You watch for an hour as nothing moves. You log out and fine yourself in a fresh clone.
Then you are told to fill an order form for battleship replacement program and that you will get reimbursed in a month or so. In the mean time, they want you to still get more ships for the CTAs. More lag. More losses.
I'm not saying every alliance is like this, but most are at one point or another. Thats why I live in NPC null and lowsec most of the time. Corp politics is enough of a headache. |
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