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Ashlar Maidstone
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:38:00 -
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Hi all,
Under normal circumstances what was your ship progression in mining when you first started???
I started with a Tormentor with the basic Civilian Mining laser, and then upgraded my lasers to T2 Mining Laser IIs. Now I am using Industrial ships (Sigil or Bestower) with Survey Scanners and T2 Mining Laser II and cargo expander 1s. Next ship is a Retriever due Sunday.
thanks
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tehSiner
Abnormal Experience
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:51:00 -
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osprey and scythe could also be middle step till retriever, then go for hulk. step from covetor to hulk is really small...
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Ashlar Maidstone
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:57:00 -
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Heh, I forgot about the Osprey, thanks!! Anyone else??
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Vaaca
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Posted - 2011.01.06 17:09:00 -
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stepping from the covetor to the hulk may be a small jump training wise, but when i was mining as my only source of income going from a 4 mil covetor to a 180 mil hulk was kind of a challenge.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 17:17:00 -
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Bantam -> Osprey -> Retriever -> Hulk
I got the Retriever blown-up in a mission 2 days before training for the Hulk completed. I'll never forget the mission, because it was a level 2 called "Artifact Recovery" with an Arkonor(!!) rock spawned in it. After completing the mission and starting to mine the Arkonor, 6 cruisers spawned. At least my hauler in a Bestower made it out. Never found Arkonor in that mission ever again.
Of course I also did combat to raise standing for refining, and earn datacores:
Bantam -> Kestrel (level 1 missions)
Osprey -> Caracal (level 2 missions) -> Drake (level 3 missions) -> Raven (level 4 missions)
Raven -> Navy Raven (level 4 missions)
Tengu (any mission I can get it into)
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Ras Aghul
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Posted - 2011.01.06 21:03:00 -
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Bantam -> Osprey -> Retriever -> Hulk
This also is the route I took.
The Time from getting into a Covetor wasn't that much greater to justify the cost for the Covetor and then purchasing the Hulk to me.
I just ground away and went straight to the hulk.
I now run a group of 4 Maxed Hulk Miners, 1 Orca and a Battleship in the wings on the standby!
It's been a nasty surprise for a couple of Ganker's so far! :)
20 drones (Max Drone skills on everyone) and 1 Battleship can make for a bad day for someone.
With this setup I can crunch some serious rock and chew a heckuva log of ice.
I still remember from years ago as a 'noob' miner talking to an old salt about dealing with a pesky can flipper harassing us.
His answer: "I'll just turn my strip miner on 'em and suck his brains out!"
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.06 21:19:00 -
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(Racial Mining or Cargo Frigate) -> Retriever -> Hulk
Training for a cruiser is only time-effective if you are going to be doing missions too.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.06 23:34:00 -
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Retriever T1 strips -> Retriever T2 strips -> Retriever T2 strips and crystals -> Hulk
A retriever with 2x T2 strip miners will out-mine a Hulk with 3x T1.
Go for the gear before the ship for a few weeks of better mining in the middle while you wait.
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Kharylien
Gallente
Masked Rider Project
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Posted - 2011.01.07 00:09:00 -
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For a while I used a mining-fit Vexor.
Many, many lasers. Not much cargo, though - that required some creativity to work around.
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Ashlar Maidstone
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Posted - 2011.01.07 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ashlar Maidstone on 07/01/2011 00:13:57
Oh this is so nice and we all started from very modest beginnings. I look forward to when I can upgrade to full mining barges in the very near future, like maybe an Orca!!!
Let's see some more progressions.
thanks!!!
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2011.01.07 00:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Retriever T1 strips -> Retriever T2 strips -> Retriever T2 strips and crystals -> Hulk
A retriever with 2x T2 strip miners will out-mine a Hulk with 3x T1.
Go for the gear before the ship for a few weeks of better mining in the middle while you wait.
You do realize that T2 strips without crystals mine LESS than T1 strips?
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.07 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 07/01/2011 01:12:37
Originally by: Boltorano
You do realize that T2 strips without crystals mine LESS than T1 strips?
Yeah, wasn't thinkin of it that way, more as a skill plan.
You need T2 strips to put the crystals in, kinda comes first.
edit: oh duh.... T2 strips with T1 crystals of course.... Don't know why you'd assume I mean with no crystals.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.07 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlar Maidstone
I look forward to when I can upgrade to full mining barges in the very near future, like maybe an Orca!!!
This can mess you up a bit with planning multiple characters.
Orca isn't a mining ship specifically, it's a booster and hauler.
Although you need "some" mining skills, kinda a ship you need on a non-mining character.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.07 02:16:00 -
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The Orca is not a mining ship - it's a command ship, that happens to also be good for hauling and transporting rigged ships.
Think about it that way, and you'll find it easier to plan your Orca pilot's training schedule.
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Zifrian
Solar Nexus.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2011.01.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Retriever T1 strips -> Retriever T2 strips -> Retriever T2 strips and crystals -> Hulk
A retriever with 2x T2 strip miners will out-mine a Hulk with 3x T1.
Go for the gear before the ship for a few weeks of better mining in the middle while you wait.
This is a good plan (with the T1/T2 crystals as mentioned). If you are doing empire ores, the T1 versions are relatively easy to train for. Then move to T2 crystals. Astrometrics 5 sucks to train so the jump from retriever to hulk really sucks. They really need to change covetor to astrometrics 3 or 4. 5 is just stupid. But it is what it is.
Ultimately, an alt account is also a good thing to look into. Hauling ore gets to be a huge pain. Without my orca alt I wouldn't bother mining and that's even before he has the mindlinks. The hauling capacity is just too nice.
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Ashlar Maidstone
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Posted - 2011.01.07 04:17:00 -
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Hehehehe. my bad. Thanks for clearing out my little misunderstood role of the Orca!! I'm so used to seeing them I assumed it was a mining barge because of the capacity!!!
Anyway it's been interesting to say the least as to what been said so far and this is a delightful topic and I hope it keeps going!!
Thanks!!
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Caldari 5
Amarr
The Element Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.07 07:11:00 -
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My progression was Rookie ship -> Bestower -> Harbinger(with alt in Bestower) -> Retreiver(with alt in Itty V) -> Hulk(with alt in Itty V) -> 2 Hulks(with Itty V swapping with 1 of the Hulks) -> 2 Hulks, 1 Orca
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FiveAM
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Posted - 2011.01.07 08:32:00 -
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Bantam -> Osprey -> Retriever -> ? Maybe a Mack.
Im planning on getting a mackinaw with the help of a friend. He's been playing for some time and we've done some large mining operations together.
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2011.01.07 08:54:00 -
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Navitas -> Retriever -> Covetor -> Hulk -> Rorqual
That has been my skill plan anyway, 2-3 years ago...
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Scarry Peak
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Posted - 2011.01.07 10:04:00 -
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[Racial Missioning Ship of the time) -> Iteron -> Retriever -> Hulk
If I remember rightly - I got myself into a cruiser as soon as I could for missioning, and then mined in that/missioned as much as I could, until I could afford an Iteron.
Mined with that over days working at home (and by this time missioning in a BC/BS) to help go towards a retriever as I trained for a hulk. Then Mined shed loads in the retriever until I could afford my hulk.
Since then got an orca for Corps ops and also have a 2nd account.
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Zifrian
Solar Nexus.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2011.01.07 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: FiveAM
Bantam -> Osprey -> Retriever -> ? Maybe a Mack.
Im planning on getting a mackinaw with the help of a friend. He's been playing for some time and we've done some large mining operations together.
Mackinaws are good for ice mining but hulks a better for ore. The training time involved to go from Mack to hulk is trivial. As a note, skiffs are only really good for mining mercoxit and you'll need solid skills as well as 0.0 access to use one.
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Roland Schlosser
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.02.09 22:28:00 -
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Navitas> Vexor> Retriever> t2 strip miners> all t2 mining crystals> Hulk/Mack> t2 Ice strip miners> t2 Gas cloud harvesters> t2 mining upgrades.
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Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.09 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zifrian
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Retriever T1 strips -> Retriever T2 strips -> Retriever T2 strips and crystals -> Hulk
A retriever with 2x T2 strip miners will out-mine a Hulk with 3x T1.
Go for the gear before the ship for a few weeks of better mining in the middle while you wait.
This is a good plan (with the T1/T2 crystals as mentioned). If you are doing empire ores, the T1 versions are relatively easy to train for. Then move to T2 crystals. Astrometrics 5 sucks to train so the jump from retriever to hulk really sucks. They really need to change covetor to astrometrics 3 or 4. 5 is just stupid. But it is what it is.
Umm, you mean Astrogeology, right? Astrometrics is for scanning.
IMHO, I suggest you go Mining Frigate -> Mining Cruiser (skipable step) -> Retreiver -> Covetor (skipable step) -> Hulk.
I add the Covetor to the list due to the cost associated with the Exhumers and the Cost of the Hulk. Depending on the play time available to the miner (totally discounting botting activity) the Hulk may not be affordable (at 150-200 mil ISK depending on market), whereas the Covetor usually costs 1/10 as much and can produce 50% more than the Retreiver.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.09 23:12:00 -
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Started with a rookie-Impairor.. then bestower..
Hauling until I could fly a covetor... then hulk/mac.. then orca/freighter. |
Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.10 01:29:00 -
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I'm currently still waiting for our first rorqual to come out of the production line so we can REALLY munch some ores.
Right now our corp has several experienced/perfect hulk pilots, perfect orca booster(x2), but no rorq yet.
If we go on a mining op, we tend to look for a large SYSTEM to mine, as belts just don't cut it anymore.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.10 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 10/02/2011 01:42:33
I must be odd. Ok I am odd 
I went Navitas> Catalyst> Retriever> Hulk
The reason for the Cat, was it's cargo was more than most ships so I didn't have to dock as often. 
Of course now I can fly ceptors and working towards dictors so it wasn't wasted time.
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ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.02.10 11:47:00 -
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One thing to keep in mind is whether the ship you are considering has mining bonuses. Only a few ships do. IIRC, the Vexor has drone bonuses, which won't increase your yield much. Same with the Amarr mining cruiser? A 20% yield bonus makes a lot of difference.
I like the Bantam better than the Navitas. I think it's because of the number of drones.
I like the Osprey better than the Scythe for the same reason.
After looking at the specific yield figures, I don't spend much time mining in other ships of these classes.
For mining barges, the only advice I can give is "Don't buy a Procurer unless you have a really good reason." The dedicated mining cruisers have better yield, better protection, better targeting range. The only downside for the mining cruisers I can think of number of drones.
Covetors work fine in Hi Sec but they don't get the Exhumer bonus.
An alternative that I don't think has been mentioned is a mining Rokh. 8 Miner IIs, a couple of Mining Laser Upgrade IIs, and max out the hold space, even at the expense of yield. You'll still be pretty busy. Especially since a Rokh can only lock 7 targets, but can operate 8 lasers, I use the lasers in pairs, each pair on a different rock. This option is popular in 0.0 and for people who don't want to have to worry about rats. I've tried it and got better yield than a Retriever even without maxed skills. It also takes a lot less time to get into a Rokh than a Retriever as long as you aren't planning to get into any fights with it.
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Zircalla
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zircalla on 10/02/2011 16:14:14
Step 1 - Minmatar mining frigate, can't even think of the name of it atm.
Somewhere around here I figured out I could make more isk salvaging wrecks in the belts than mining (at least at beginner skill levels) and missioning, so....
Step 2 - Scythe. Since I was mission running a bit, I was also training cruiser skills (instead of mining). This is a tough little nugget, able to fight off rats and mine with three lasers w/o any problems. Jet can mined for a long time and never got flipped (nice, quiet system), which I now know is extremely lucky. This is similar to my setup:Mining Scythe
Step 3 - Retriever. Decided to be able to mine a little more effectively, although I had a Scythe setup (Cruiser Level 5) that pretty much equaled the Retriever output at the time. Bigger cargo hold, more drones, 3 minutes cycle times all made it more useful. Stayed at this level a long, long time (until fairly recently).
Step 4 - Covetor/Hulk - I basically skilled up to these at the same time, but each has its use. The Covetor is much better for WH mining (due to being relatively cheap), and can even be used during HA if you feel dicey. Also mined in quiet low-sec systems, but had to kill the rats first with a combat ship. Soon realized it was more effective to just buy the Zydrine. The hulk is generally used for large scale mining ops now in our 'own' wh, with protection.
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Plumb Delicious
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.11 17:17:00 -
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Back before there were destroyers, battle crusiers, and advanced mining ships people would buy their racial frig w/ the biggest cargo hold and try to get some meta-level miner 1's and blast away.
As soon as you could switch to a cruiser you started mining to build your Battleship. If i recall the Domi was my first big mining boat. Nice cloud of harvester mining drones and of course a full load of tech 1 mining lasers or the highest meta level you could get.
Some people would strap 1 mining laser on an Iteron 5 and just sit in a hi-sec belt mining veldspar or scordite all day while they were at work.
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Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2011.02.11 18:33:00 -
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Burst -> Scythe -> Retriever -> Covetor -> Hulk
I suppose you could fit a BC or BS into that chain at various points.....
Covetor is optional, depending on how much cash you have!
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