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TeKKpriest
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Posted - 2011.01.07 22:36:00 -
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Heyho,
i'm training a Niddi-Alt for my Corp, and i wanted to ask if i forgot something important.
Since we mostly fly Armor Tanked Ships, i can neglect Shield Emission Skills and Tank skills for now, but they will be skilled later on.
Triage will be skilled later on too, since we most likely dont need it for now.
Well anyways here are the skills i will aim for:
Electronics
Electronic Warfare IV Electronics V Electronics Upgrades IV Long Range Targeting V Signature Analysis V Targeting V
Engineering
Energy Emission Systems V Energy Grid Upgrades IV Engineering V Energy Management V Energy Pulse Weapons IV Energy Systems Operation V Shield Management V Shield Operation V Tactical Shield Manipulation IV
Mechanics
Mechanic V Hull Upgrades V Repair Systems V Remote Armor Repair Systems V Capital Remote Armor Repair Systems IV Capital Repair Systems IV EM Armor Compensation IV Explosive Armor Compensation IV Kinetic Armor Compensation IV Thermic Armor Compensation IV Jury Rigging IV
Science
Cybernetics IV Science V Thermodynamics IV
Navigation
Navigation V Warp Drive Operation V Afterburner III High Speed Maneuvering V Evasive Maneuvering V Jump Drive Operation V Jump Drive Calibration IV Jump Fuel Conservation IV
Leadership
Leadership V
Drones
Drones V Drone Interfacing V Fighters IV Scout Drone Operation V Heavy Drone Operation V Gallente Drone Specialization IV Minmatar Drone Specialization IV Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing IV Drone Durability IV Repair Drone Operation IV Drone Navigation IV Drone Sharpshooting V Combat Drone Operation V
Spaceship Command
Spaceship Command V Minmatar Frigate IV Minmatar Cruiser IV Minmatar Battleship V Advanced Spaceship Command V Capital Ships IV Minmatar Carrier IV
After that get into the Carrier, and max out the skills and learn Shield Transfer/Tanking skills.
But the question is, have i forgotten something important that i need to get to V in the above mentioned skills, or did i even add a skill i dont need?
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.07 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 07/01/2011 23:57:21
I'd recommend against training for a Nid, unless you realize all the negatives that go with it.
The Archon has only one drawback I can think of, which many pilots see as a bonus: it can't rep a POS shield.
Also, you will probably not notice the difference between Capital 3 and Capital 4 (only need 3 for a carrier) , if you want to put it as a lower priority.
Drone Navigation is a rank 1 skill, so quick to train to 5. Helpful with heavies.
You may want to add: * Cloaking 4 - Improved Cloaking Device II requires 3 * Sentry Drones 5 - T2 heavy drones (Ogre) are awesome, but slow. * Cynosural Field Theory 1 - In case you are bait * Wing Commander 1 - Everybody should have this skill * Armor Warfare 5 - 10% more armor to your squad/wing * Siege Warfare 5 - 10% more shield to your squad/wing
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TeKKpriest
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Posted - 2011.01.08 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: TeKKpriest on 08/01/2011 10:02:59 well, i know the risks but also the good things about flying a Nid (and i like both, it gives an "edge" compared to other carriers), so an Archon isnt really an option for me (Corpmates will skill em though).
Plus i really like the design.
But i have a small question about Armor/Siege Warfare. When i fit my Nidd (EFT for now), i have the option to switch between
1x Smartbomb 1-2x Heavy Neuts 1x Triage later on and 1-3x Shield or Armor Reps
so wouldnt a Warfare Link be "bad" for a Nid since we have some Command Ships already?
I can see Chimeras using Warfare Links, and maybe even Thanatos, but the Nid should be better off with Neuts/Reps imho, right?
But please correct me if im wrong :)
Thanks for the other suggestions though, i knew i forgot something *g*
edit:
ha i knew it. I even forgot some of those Nanite skills x.x
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Socio Stan
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Posted - 2011.01.08 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: TeKKpriest well, i know the risks but also the good things about flying a Nid (and i like both, it gives an "edge" compared to other carriers), so an Archon isnt really an option for me (Corpmates will skill em though).
That's a common misconception. Because of fitting, slot layout, and cap, the Nid doesnt rep more than an Archon for combat operations.
Try fitting your triage Niddy with more than 2 RR. Can't do it? Too bad. The Archon can do it while running 4 RR. Weird how that works.
The Niddy only outreps the Archon in pure pos repping fits. It's dumb, but thats how it is. |
Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.01.08 19:44:00 -
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It's foolish and naive to think the ships will stay exactly the same forever. Fly whatever makes you happy, and you'll win Eve.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.09 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: TeKKpriest I can see Chimeras using Warfare Links, and maybe even Thanatos, but the Nid should be better off with Neuts/Reps imho, right?
Who said anything about gang links? The leadership skills I mentioned don't require links to get a bonus, hence they are worth training for everyone.
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.01.10 23:19:00 -
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I want to ask: What are the strong points in the Nid that makes you want it? And the "edge" you referenced.
Not being critical btw. I am think of getting one myself. I wanted another point of view.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.10 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 10/01/2011 23:55:22
Originally by: RavenPaine I want to ask: What are the strong points in the Nid that makes you want it? And the "edge" you referenced.
Not being critical btw. I am think of getting one myself. I wanted another point of view.
Pros: * Only carrier with bonus to repping amount and range for both shield and armor * Other than the Chimera, only carrier that can rep a POS.
Cons: * No resistance bonus like Archon and Chimera (this is a major point). * Weak tank because of slot layout. * Weak triage (Archon rules supreme here). * All that capital training, and other Minmatar capitals are also not impressive either. * Weak tank + bigger threat (rep bonus) = primary.
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.01.11 05:09:00 -
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Thanks Much Tau.
That is just what I was looking for.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.01.12 12:55:00 -
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To be quite accurate, the Thanatos can rep pos shields too. It just (like the Chimera) doesn't get a bonus to the strength of the reps.
So only the Archon is unable to rep pos shields.
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Quinn Sheep
Amarr BOAE INC -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.01.12 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr To be quite accurate, the Thanatos can rep pos shields too. It just (like the Chimera) doesn't get a bonus to the strength of the reps.
So only the Archon is unable to rep pos shields.
Hmmz fit a Shield transporter on the archon and you can rep shields. :) Not very efficient true but there is no reason it can not.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.12 16:24:00 -
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Maybe I'm missing something then, but Capital Shield Transporter has a 15 km un-bonused range, and a large control tower has a 30 km radius shield.
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Mona X
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.01.12 16:29:00 -
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Small tower have only 15km, but I was able to rep them (maybe then they were 12 or 13km?).
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.12 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 12/01/2011 16:48:32
Originally by: Mona X Small tower have only 15km, but I was able to rep them (maybe then they were 12 or 13km?).
I don't think that really invalidates my point though.
Yes, to be pedantic, one can rep a small control tower with any carrier. However nothing larger.
Though a fleet, let alone a capital fleet, would probably never be dispatched to rep a small tower. They'd let it burn. I know I would. Small towers are disposable.
Small: 15 km Medium: 21.22 km Large: 30 km
Typically you can subtract about 2 km from those for repping purposes, as the tower ball is about that radius. I've repped a large control tower at a minimum distance of 28 km, and I estimate I was 500m from the shield (hard to get any closer).
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Mona X
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.01.12 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Though a fleet, let alone a capital fleet, would probably never be dispatched to rep a small tower. They'd let it burn. I know I would. Small towers are disposable.
All of those small towers were mining stuff, so they were far from disposable.
Quote: I don't think that really invalidates my point though.
I wasn't implying that.
Besides, they're always some damaged guns and neuts, and when everyone else is repping shields, Archons have to fix those.
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Quinn Sheep
Amarr BOAE INC -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.01.13 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Maybe I'm missing something then, but Capital Shield Transporter has a 15 km un-bonused range, and a large control tower has a 30 km radius shield.
Good point. I stand corrected :) Archon is pretty useless as a shield repper :)
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Mona X
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.01.13 12:33:00 -
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POS shield repper.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:19:00 -
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The Thanatos also has both the remote shield and armor transfer range bonus.
Also remember that this 'edge' is a mere 375 more rep per cycle at carrier 5; taking the rep amount from 1500 per cycle to 1875 per cycle - not a huge boost considering th rr cycle duration.
Add to that the cap issues, especially for a tirage Niddy, you essentially need to sacrifice any tank to fit cap mods in order to make the difference worth while - and then add again the poor local tank already - and you have quite a poor ship overall.
If you need a ship that is more swiss army in terms of rr shield and armor, the the thanatos is the way to go - it does not really need carrier 5 to be effective since it only adds to fighter damage bonus (its nice, but not nessisary for rr) and is a bit tougher.
If you don't need a swiss army carrier, and armor repping is really what is being called for, then the archon is really the best. 5% resist is unstancking penalized, and at carrier 5 that is 25% less damage taken across the board. Ample low slots to further that tank, a very healthy amount of base armor, and the strongest base capacitor means you are also more effective and long lasting as an rr platform. and remote energy transfer is actually very useful. The same for the chimera if shield logistics is what is being called for.
I say this as someone who has all the mini dread and carrier skills at 5, there is absolutly no reason to train for them - as for myself - i use my caldari captal alt for the 'real' work, and i use the Niddy to move my smaller ships to staging posts to do fleet stuff. It may get buffed in the future, but till then, you will have to be prepared to lose you ship a lot more often then others if you field it. -----------
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa The Thanatos also has both the remote shield and armor transfer range bonus.
Ah, you are right. I stand corrected. Then the only carrier that can't rep a large control tower's shield is an Archon.
Of course many people consider that a bonus for the Archon
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.15 11:55:00 -
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The Niddys bonus is fantastic for repping Outposts. Each station service has 50m HPs, so repping them takes a very long time.
Also great at repping POSs, IHUBS, TCUs, SBUs, can cyno, use fighters as well as an archon, flies faster... yeah.
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