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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.01.11 00:36:00 -
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If you read what the OP wrote, you must admit, that is right ;).
Lowsec allways crys "we have no targets". Mullsec allways crys "we don't have enough people fly around".
It's not becouse people don't want to life in low- or null-sec. It's becouse the old inhabitants are a pack of selfish roxor kiddys. They don't realy want NEW-inhabitants. They just want eazy targets to proll around with 50v1 gangs when they againt kickt someones T1 ass with their T2/T3 asses.
Yea, there will be enough, who claim "but I life there with my 500k LP and do well. That's not true! You life there with your 3t char from your 5th twink acc! ;). You allready have the expirienc and much more important, you have 29 other chars to earn the ISK to afford all the loses! (As you will have just loses and no kills!!)
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2011.01.11 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 11/01/2011 01:43:39
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate your trolling is bad and you should feel bad
actually looks like he's doing a pretty good job
Also, depending on the circumstances surrounding the "incident" mentioned in the OP, it could be an offense that one could petition over. Just sayin', griefing OLD players is generally allowed and accepted, but griefing noobs unless they just get scammed (unlikely they have the isk to get scammed) or something of the sort is very frowned upon...
Just my 2 cents. I honestly think Eve has it's problems also, but at this moment, it is the best mmo on the market imo.
Once MMO devs realize that the WoW RPG model is not the only model that they have to use for an MMO, though, there might be some competition for that title for me...
also, bigger≠better, but smaller≠better either...
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.11 02:02:00 -
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Good. Keep the newbies without a backbone and a brain out of our EVE. Bye, have fun in WoW. Can I haz stuff? There is a reason we don't play WoW. It's for people like you. ============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.01.11 02:57:00 -
[154]
Dear God, Your mmo sucks newbies have such a hard time because of one thing that happens, dying. No wonder so many abortions happen. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
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Mr NoPants
Gallente Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.11 03:10:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Peter XZ Mark my words, we'll have 13 million subs when Incarna becomes operational, MARK MY WORDS O YE OF LITTLE FAITH. (Unless of course incarna turns out to be a favourite of weirdo perverts who get excited by imaginary avatars, Then WOW just may get a 13th Millionth and 1st subscriber; Me :)
Hey ;)
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Alcander
Caldari The Solar Deliberative
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Posted - 2011.01.11 05:55:00 -
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Here is why Eve has a hard time retaining new players.
I'll give you a few moments to wrap your heads around it.
Now then. Once the average newb is out of the training tutorials they are thrown into the wolf eat wolf world of Eve Online. There they now fight their way upwards. Finding things harder and harder as there are so many options so many are overwhelmed and give up. Those that stay soon find the curve coming back in on itself and dipping down where many fall and never climb further.
A rare few will climb back up, but not often. For the rest they then climb, kick, bite, and make their way over the corpses of all those who have come before them yet failed. Many more also die at this point and give up. For those who make it to the tip find that it doesn't get easier. Instead they give you the finger and stomp forward now hardened to the experience that is Eve Online.
At least most do that make it that far... -------------------------------------------------- You can run, but you'll only die tired. this is a very smart person PURPLE FOR PURPLES SAKE <3 Eris |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.11 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alcander Here is why Eve has a hard time retaining new players. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2335016192_6003c39c4c_z.jpg?zz=1 Image changed to a link. Spitfire I'll give you a few moments to wrap your heads around it.
Now then. Once the average newb is out of the training tutorials they are thrown into the wolf eat wolf world of Eve Online. There they now fight their way upwards. Finding things harder and harder as there are so many options so many are overwhelmed and give up. Those that stay soon find the curve coming back in on itself and dipping down where many fall and never climb further.
A rare few will climb back up, but not often. For the rest they then climb, kick, bite, and make their way over the corpses of all those who have come before them yet failed. Many more also die at this point and give up. For those who make it to the tip find that it doesn't get easier. Instead they give you the finger and stomp forward now hardened to the experience that is Eve Online.
At least most do that make it that far...
Eve hasn't a steep learning curve.. What is so hard or complicated on the basic mechanics of the game? And if you stick to the tutorials you should be fine.. many players from 03 to 06 didn't had this kind of advanced help. Man, my tutorial broke on me after the 3rd mission or something and was unsalvageable, still here I am, 5+ years later.
The problem or better feature of Eve, that so many people can't endure is this: Diagram of things to do in game
There is no "Go from A to B" in Eve. There is no "This is the goal for you to achieve" in Eve. Together with the rather paranoiac setting and environment it just isn't made for the average joe. And that is good so.. average joe can play something else. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Archbeholder
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Posted - 2011.01.11 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nora Skuld
LOL!
Except losing precious time, there's no dire consequences to death. Afterall, aren't capsuleer immortal demi gods?
The only people who suffers significant consequences are the carebears being suicide ganked in their pimped Golem.
+1
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Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
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Posted - 2011.01.11 06:35:00 -
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I never saw any orks ( beneath the #jita-local ) in Eve Online.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.01.11 06:36:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Alcander
A rare few will climb back up, but not often. For the rest they then climb, kick, bite, and make their way over the corpses of all those who have come before them yet failed. Many more also die at this point and give up. For those who make it to the tip find that it doesn't get easier. Instead they give you the finger and stomp forward now hardened to the experience that is Eve Online.
*gives the finger* _______________________
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Malema
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Posted - 2011.01.11 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Malema on 11/01/2011 06:58:01 Although I understand this is mostly a PVP game , the PVE content is substandard . I've had countless friends leave the game after they've hit the Level 4 barrier and can't really progress from there.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.11 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malema Although I understand this is mostly a PVP game , the PVE content is substandard . I've had countless friends leave the game after they've hit the Level 4 barrier and can't really progress from there.
Who'd had thought.. Eve has a cap. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.11 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malema Edited by: Malema on 11/01/2011 06:58:01 Although I understand this is mostly a PVP game , the PVE content is substandard . I've had countless friends leave the game after they've hit the Level 4 barrier and can't really progress from there.
I know how you feel TBH. I am really looking forward to Incursions and really hope there is a bit of Solo content for when there are no groups for me.
That said I will probably do mostly the 5 man stuff, I hope there is enough to go around. But with out solo stuff there will be little instant PVE and I have long since given up on LVL 4's unless I really need to Grind.
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Drakarin
Gallente Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.11 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Alcander Here is why Eve has a hard time retaining new players. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2335016192_6003c39c4c_z.jpg?zz=1 Image changed to a link. Spitfire I'll give you a few moments to wrap your heads around it.
Now then. Once the average newb is out of the training tutorials they are thrown into the wolf eat wolf world of Eve Online. There they now fight their way upwards. Finding things harder and harder as there are so many options so many are overwhelmed and give up. Those that stay soon find the curve coming back in on itself and dipping down where many fall and never climb further.
A rare few will climb back up, but not often. For the rest they then climb, kick, bite, and make their way over the corpses of all those who have come before them yet failed. Many more also die at this point and give up. For those who make it to the tip find that it doesn't get easier. Instead they give you the finger and stomp forward now hardened to the experience that is Eve Online.
At least most do that make it that far...
Eve hasn't a steep learning curve.. What is so hard or complicated on the basic mechanics of the game? And if you stick to the tutorials you should be fine.. many players from 03 to 06 didn't had this kind of advanced help. Man, my tutorial broke on me after the 3rd mission or something and was unsalvageable, still here I am, 5+ years later.
The problem or better feature of Eve, that so many people can't endure is this: Diagram of things to do in game
There is no "Go from A to B" in Eve. There is no "This is the goal for you to achieve" in Eve. Together with the rather paranoiac setting and environment it just isn't made for the average joe. And that is good so.. average joe can play something else.
It's more about the word overwhelming, than a learning curve. You can understand the basic mechanics of the game without ever even remotely mastering it. It also doesn't touch on how much there is to know about the modules and ships and how they all interact together. Heck, after almost a year of playing I'm still learning new things here and there. It's just that type of game.
That's really the strongest point of the game though. And that's why it will always be niche. Most people don't really want to "work" for their fun, in a sense that they want it directly, and very fast with minimal effort. For me, I enjoy the process leading up to the climax because I know it makes it that much sweeter.
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Malema
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Posted - 2011.01.11 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Malema Although I understand this is mostly a PVP game , the PVE content is substandard . I've had countless friends leave the game after they've hit the Level 4 barrier and can't really progress from there.
Who'd had thought.. Eve has a cap.
I guess they can go sit in lowsec with a Pirate faction ship and do Level 5's and pray they don't get scanned ? Almost all of them feel it's not worth the effort and unsub.
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Gorenaire
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Posted - 2011.01.11 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dorkus Americanus OP used the word "GUILD", he he he. Explains a lot.
Whats wrong with using the word guild ? guild, corp or whatever name you want to use design the same thing, an assembly of players, thats all.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.11 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 11/01/2011 08:22:32
Originally by: Malema
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Malema Although I understand this is mostly a PVP game , the PVE content is substandard . I've had countless friends leave the game after they've hit the Level 4 barrier and can't really progress from there.
Who'd had thought.. Eve has a cap.
I guess they can go sit in lowsec with a Pirate faction ship and do Level 5's and pray they don't get scanned? Almost all of them feel it's not worth the effort and unsub.
Well, there is running lvl5s in a T3 that can't be scanned down.. Then there are wormholes with some different content that's not so easy and a "somewhat protected" environment.. There will be Incursions soon and there had been Incursions moderated by CCP lately.. You can always give yourself a challenge by going down in shipsize and trying lvl4s..
All in all the PvE content is scripted and so far there is nothing that will change that (care to correct me if I'm wrong). And I'm pretty sure CCP will have looked into this already internally and run into problems.. probably about processing power of the nodes running the show. That's also why those NPC are so unnerving dumb which isn't to change any time soon either..
Edit: PS: I stopped doing any missions after I had 2 npc corps high enough to get no waste upon refining (don't do that any more even as I stopped mining as I had a covetor trained up, lol) and another npc corp with datacore agents. Never looked back really. Even Sleepers in W-space get boring and repetitive. I did many hours exploring with the old and new system until the content got handed out like candy and thus the boring repetitiveness wasn't worth it any more either. These days I'm hopping from one field to the next till I figured out how it works.
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Spenz
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.01.11 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Peter XZ Mark my words, we'll have 13 million subs when Incarna becomes operational, MARK MY WORDS O YE OF LITTLE FAITH. (Unless of course incarna turns out to be a favourite of weirdo perverts who get excited by imaginary avatars, Then WOW just may get a 13th Millionth and 1st subscriber; Me :)
Considering that WoW has people who take female avatars and do EROTIC DANCING in bars, your insight is almost as dumb as the author of this thread.
Actually just leave now. Cleansing the game of morons only makes the game better.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2011.01.11 09:03:00 -
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What are you talking about? Eve is very newbie friendly. Don't you know? You can get in Merlin and right away in a few minutes take over and ruin entire alliances??
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.11 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 11/01/2011 10:14:57
Originally by: Malema Edited by: Malema on 11/01/2011 06:58:01 Although I understand this is mostly a PVP game , the PVE content is substandard . I've had countless friends leave the game after they've hit the Level 4 barrier and can't really progress from there.
Wait what? Level 5s? plexing? W-space?
Ohhhh... you mean they can't progress in risk free PvE. Gotcha.
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.11 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Wait what? Level 5s? plexing? W-space?
Ohhhh... you mean they can't progress in risk free PvE. Gotcha.
All that content except for Sleepers is still the same content. More ships doing more DPS is not improvement when all you have to do is fit more tank.
I haven't tried Sleepers yet because my Alliance is mostly Null and I have no base there but every other bit of PVE is the same. I don't really care about the ISK I just wish there was more fun to the direct content. For someone with no Alts who wants to have fun >>> profit content blind jumps into Wormholes don't provide exactly what I am looking for.
As stated the good fun PVE content, if Sleepers are that is not exactly pan Sec Levels with an over abundance of accesability. I have done Low Sec Anoms and Plexes and Null Sec Sanctums, LVL 5's not yet cause getting a fleet together when everyone is interested in Sanctums is not much of an option. Especially since all it seems to be is more DPS more Neuting more Bounty Pinatas. Other solo LVL 4 content seems just similar in Low with greater rewards.
There is no system of fun content based on where you are that is not griond with rewards changing per the danger. I will probably try WH PVE sometime in the future when I am more set but diving in there solo into a wormhole where any cloaky could screw you is not much of an option as of now.
That is why I am excited about Incursions, in the three area's of space I role in there will be interesting content to enjoy. But I wish it all wasn't group, I will probably be running some of the other non Incursions sites that get the new rats in the infested system despite the rewards in my Battlecruisers or an Assault ship. But I don't know if I can do those solo. Definatly will be trying to get a group together to run a few sites.
Wthier way the game doesn't have a lot of PVE fun to it from my pre Incursions opinion. It has little to do with Sec status and more what is available. I hate the boring grind fest that is the current PVE system.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.11 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jaina Sunspot
Originally by: Malcanis
Wait what? Level 5s? plexing? W-space?
Ohhhh... you mean they can't progress in risk free PvE. Gotcha.
All that content except for Sleepers is still the same content. More ships doing more DPS is not improvement when all you have to do is fit more tank.
I haven't tried Sleepers yet because my Alliance is mostly Null and I have no base there but every other bit of PVE is the same. I don't really care about the ISK I just wish there was more fun to the direct content. For someone with no Alts who wants to have fun >>> profit content blind jumps into Wormholes don't provide exactly what I am looking for.
As stated the good fun PVE content, if Sleepers are that is not exactly pan Sec Levels with an over abundance of accesability. I have done Low Sec Anoms and Plexes and Null Sec Sanctums, LVL 5's not yet cause getting a fleet together when everyone is interested in Sanctums is not much of an option. Especially since all it seems to be is more DPS more Neuting more Bounty Pinatas. Other solo LVL 4 content seems just similar in Low with greater rewards.
There is no system of fun content based on where you are that is not griond with rewards changing per the danger. I will probably try WH PVE sometime in the future when I am more set but diving in there solo into a wormhole where any cloaky could screw you is not much of an option as of now.
That is why I am excited about Incursions, in the three area's of space I role in there will be interesting content to enjoy. But I wish it all wasn't group, I will probably be running some of the other non Incursions sites that get the new rats in the infested system despite the rewards in my Battlecruisers or an Assault ship. But I don't know if I can do those solo. Definatly will be trying to get a group together to run a few sites.
Wthier way the game doesn't have a lot of PVE fun to it from my pre Incursions opinion. It has little to do with Sec status and more what is available. I hate the boring grind fest that is the current PVE system.
EVE is no diffent to any other MMO pve. Its all mobs of differing dps and tank and normaly have a boss somwhere at the end which drops the purple/gold/epic/officer loot.Generally the only difference is in what they look like.
Everyone knows most of the content is player driven pvp here.
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.11 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jaina Sunspot on 11/01/2011 11:00:48
Originally by: baltec1
EVE is no diffent to any other MMO pve.
It is very different but in a good way.
Originally by: baltec1
Its all mobs of differing dps and tank and normaly have a boss somwhere at the end which drops the purple/gold/epic/officer loot.
Yes but the tank is so pretictable you can AFK them, there EWAR is pathetic and the defult response to tougher is throw more of the same on top of it. It is all so AFKish. Till the Supercarrier we don't even have any cool boss fights with fresh and interesting abilities.
Originally by: baltec1
Generally the only difference is in what they look like.
I would like to see a change in that. Like in this thread.
Make regular Missions, Complexes and Ratting less boring.
Originally by: baltec1
Everyone knows most of the content is player driven pvp here.
I do, I have done a lot in game and enjoy all aspects except PVE, CCP is obviously doing something to make that better and less grindy. Doesn't mean I can not hope for some solo content to mix with group for when I want a quick fix.
I liken it to a Trifecta.
Fun PVP Fun PVE Social Interaction
To be fair this is the only MMO I have played but from what I have seen current PVE needs to get more interseting. It is a big hook to MMO's and sort off a nessity. I would not be suprised if it is a reason many people leave EVE.
I know if there was a Space MMO(The only kind I care about) that had better PVE it would become a serious decision where my one MMO account would go and would probably hinge on the rest of the content.
But there isn't so here I am on the Raggety Edge.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jaina Sunspot
To be fair this is the only MMO I have played but from what I have seen current PVE needs to get more interseting. It is a big hook to MMO's and sort off a nessity. I would not be suprised if it is a reason many people leave EVE.
Trust me, PVE is the same everywhere. SWG had AFK macro bots too (In the NGE all you had to do was tape down the button for your area attack to macro). The PVE in STO is even easyer than a level 4 in a nightmare. As for WOW, you get a lot of go here, pick me 10 flowers, deliver here, go kill 10 critters, deliver meat to the cook, take my sammich to the pub landlord, go wipe out this camp of bandits who stole my glass of beer ect ect.
EVE pve does feel more civilised ill give you that.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
EVE pve does feel more civilised ill give you that.
That's because you can do it at your own pace without worrying about missioning/questing to level.
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy
That's because you can do it AFK without worrying about any of the content harming you in anyway.
FYP
But yeah you make good points Baltec, take a look at the link though. Things like priority targets such as RR rats, ECM rats, heavy DPS weak tank rats, NOS tackle rats, sniper rats, diverse DPS Types. Not all in one mission or plex at all the same time but tailored on a sliding scale.
Lessing the idea of harder = more to the blob, increasing reward to match the new difficulty then cutting the excess rats. Perhaps leading to better server preformance combined with less AFKness. Spawns that die quick one the hook that makes them strong is gone leading to a new spawn with a new hook.
Anyway it is just an idea. /shrugs
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Archbeholder
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Archbeholder on 11/01/2011 11:40:54
Originally by: baltec1 As for WOW, you get a lot of go here, pick me 10 flowers, deliver here, go kill 10 critters, deliver meat to the cook, take my sammich to the pub landlord, go wipe out this camp of bandits who stole my glass of beer ect ect.
EVE pve does feel more civilised ill give you that.
Does THIS look like picking 10 flowers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZJRHClFvU
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Archbeholder
Does THIS look like picking 10 flowers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZJRHClFvU
Try to keep up, he means solo plexes, we are getting forty man raids with a Supercarrier Boss in exactly one week. With 5-25 man fleets with specific objectives with each group complex.
We are talking about solo content.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Archbeholder Does THIS look like picking 10 flowers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZJRHClFvU
Tbh, yes. It's much the same thing. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Khoni Honsu
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:59:00 -
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Makes me laugh at all the stupid PvP replies to this post.
The majority of those posting would not be able to PvP at all if they didn't have some external income of one kind or another.
Plainly your talking out of your backsides while talking the "big I am".
Eve is screwed up has ALWAYS been screwed up because the ONLY way to get on is to have some kind of passive income - invulnerable from most aspects of PvP. And that comes down to circumstances or abuse of the Eula.
Stop pretending there is some "wonderful" game here that most people just don't see,,
I for one have left Eve with my 4 subscribed accounts and intend to never ever return and for certain will not even consider any game CCP is involved in, their reputation preceeeds them. I'd have more faith in a fish owned fish and chip shop than CCP.
Null sec is a complete joke on the subscriber base, Eve should be renamed Macros online or maybe screw the subscriber.
Good luck with your ranting, complaining and pure deception of even ingame reality - for as long as it lasts.
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