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pussnheels
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:48:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote: I hear that miners say the same sort of things about minerals. Mine them yourself they said, they said that mined minerals are free!
They're not free, but they only cost the labor/time required to obtain them. Putting an isk value on that is arbitrary, because the in game value of isk changes quite often. The real value of isk is zero. Try paying your mortgage with it. The amount of hours of mining required to build an oracle, however, is pretty constant. But seriously, if going through the trouble of working out the current isk "value" of the time you spend playing a computer game is what makes you happy then go right ahead. At the end of the day however, it's just time spent playing a computer game. I don't think putting EVE on your resum+¬ will help much, and I don't think you're getting those hours "invested" back, ever. So do be sure to have fun. the statement is true in real life but this iis a game not a second job , if somebody wants to mine all the minerals for his freighter and say it is free it is up to him
back to topic , only people really laughing are the ones who just sold their isotopes after months of hoarding them I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:58:00 -
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Troll posts, Flame bait and personal attacks removed from thread. In future please post responsibly, thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:00:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Nitrogen isotopes 511 on jita buy orders Helium 610
Prices this low after 1 week. Set for 250 per isotope in another week?
ROFL, gankers got the last laugh, any gank on a miner at this price would set them back weeks of income. Miners will soon see that the patch was more of a curse than an improvement.
You might want to recalcutlate using a Covetor or Retriever.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:50:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:seems like you mean the last cry, I'm still making craploads more than any ganker while afk or watching movies. Posting in a stealth crybaby thread. Seal-clubbing days are over, deal with it, scrubs. Real pvpers love crimewatch. Stealth crying? Over what? I've ganked quite a few miners since the patch.
Really? 2 is quite a few? And based on their fits i'm assuming they aggro'd you after can flipping? |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
281
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:54:00 -
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Remember when people explicitly warned ccp that the floor was gonna fall out from under the market because of this
and now it looks like its happening
enjoy afking over a hot stove 23/7 for a few pennies. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
108
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:04:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Remember when people explicitly warned ccp that the floor was gonna fall out from under the market because of this
and now it looks like its happening
enjoy afking over a hot stove 23/7 for a few pennies.
The floor is hardly falling from under anything, stop being so bloody dramatic. If anything the prices have stablized from crazy high to just super high. |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:15:00 -
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So a few market idiots are panicking and dumping stocks because they don't know how to read patch notes. Prices will bounce back to about 10% below the original value once people realize that mining yield wasn't increased. Hows my posting? Call 1-800-747-7633 to leave feedback. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
231
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:21:00 -
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I've been saying this for ages, though I would hardly put the credit to this on the gankers.
Even though mining yields have not changed, the perception of mining has.
The Retriever/Mackinaw changes are the real game changer... allowing solo miners (the most common type out there) to solo mine without the risks involved with jet can mining. Their ore bays are large enough to eliminate the need for a hauler alt. This brings moderately efficient mining to any player with a single account.
The psychology of the miners is also different. With their shiny new boats, solo miners who might not do the math or read the patch notes might assume their mining barges are now gank-proof. While this is clearly not the case, the gankers have yet to re-assert their threat.
Ice prices are going to plummet further than mineral prices in the long run. This is because ice mining in a mack/retriever allows for LONG blocks of afk mining since ice asteroids essentially never pop. Ore mining still requires more at-keyboard attention as asteroids deplete much faster.
I also see low/null sec ore returning to their original status of "Being much much better to mine than high sec ore" This is because solo miners operate largely out of high sec, and no amount of extra cargo hold, tank or whatnot will overcome the danger a solo-miner faces when trying to mine outside of high sec.
Ultimately, there will be a balancing point. As prices drop, demand will increase. Manufacturers who normally wouldn't make things will buy up minerals to make cheaper ships and modules. Corporations who normally wouldn't keep a POS online will be more aggressive with setting them up. PVPers will be more willing to fly and potentially lose ships if their cost is much less.
The real winners are PI colony builders and consumers of T2 ships/modules. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Zera Kerrigan
Dark Tempest Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:26:00 -
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Also I might add. I think you miss the point a bit.
We miners really couldn't care much less about gankers. They are the ones loving us, not the other way around. |
Anslo
Black Horse Enterprises-International
128
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:07:00 -
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You suck. Stop posting. |
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Terraferma K10
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:15:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:ROFL, gankers got the last laugh, any gank on a miner at this price would set them back weeks of income. It's truly the end of times when it takes my afk-self 3 day to plex instead of 2. I've had all these macks laying around forever, whatever will I do with them?! These really are the darkest of days. Now just imagine if I wasn't sitting around in serpent's farming hisec ore, I might plex every day.
It's also totally true that every single miner lives paycheck-to-paycheck and we can't pay the electric bill whenever we get a flat tire.
Hard knock life
for us. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1657
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:59:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:I've been saying this for ages.
Actually, based on the age of your alt, you've been saying this for 5 months... tops.
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Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.16 16:34:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:seems like you mean the last cry, I'm still making craploads more than any ganker while afk or watching movies. Posting in a stealth crybaby thread. Seal-clubbing days are over, deal with it, scrubs. Real pvpers love crimewatch. Stealth crying? Over what? I've ganked quite a few miners since the patch. Really? 2 is quite a few? And based on their fits i'm assuming they aggro'd you after can flipping?
Yes, of course, because at -10 sec status, can flipping people in hi-sec is really great for me. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.16 17:17:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:Ice prices are going to plummet further than mineral prices in the long run. This is because ice mining in a mack/retriever allows for LONG blocks of afk mining since ice asteroids essentially never pop. Confirming pretty much all the mackinaws are AFK these days.
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Discova
Rim Worlds Republic Solar Citizens
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Posted - 2012.08.16 17:37:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:cows won because monkeys now eat lettuce. and aliens don't wear hats because purple.
True^
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
586
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Posted - 2012.08.16 17:45:00 -
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Also, cloaky campers. |
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