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AWACS Sgt
Caldari A.W.A.C.S
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:21:00 -
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i am tired of seeing courier contracts that demands a absolute sheit ton of isk in collateral with a reward of 0 to 5 mil isk for a freighterload of goods to fly 20-30 + jumps ..
therefore i propose some basic rules ..
small cargos (industrial sized max) should as minimum reward 1/4 mil pr jump, 1 mil if lowsec
freighter cargos should as minimum reward 1 mil pr jump, 5 mil if in lowsec
i just think there should actually be a POINT to courier contracts rather than to basicly tell some poor guy who does it, that you are getting you stuff moved for absolute peanuts and that his time is wasted helping you.
hopefully this could start something that would make courier contracts actually interresting to do again.
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Shino Tu
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:35:00 -
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Two words...Red Frog
ok a few more..
Just because you don't think it's worth it to do them doesn't stop others from feeling it is a good source of income. Someone will always move stuff for you, just as there is always someone selling stuff for a bit less...
Supply and demand "Unhappy people expect the world to adapt to them and happy people adapt to the world." |
AWACS Sgt
Caldari A.W.A.C.S
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:43:00 -
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well, "good" source of income wouldnt really be my choice of words ..
courier contracts are good to have around, but why should us haulers n freighters traverse eve for a pittense of a penny ? .. thats why i suggested some kind of fixed minimum prices
should maybe have posted in suggestions area .. shouldnt be a big problem for ccp to make a automatic calculation of price for a contractor to have a shipment sent.
anyways, my idea of a suggestion only anyways.
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trjcquee
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Posted - 2011.01.09 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: trjcquee on 09/01/2011 20:40:22
I used to do a lot of these when I was new. Made some decent isk for a few months. The real nerf came when they upped the max size of a courier package. There was a sharp dropoff in the number of available contracts with sub-freighter cargo bay volumes.
I scoff at a lot of the "free market" arguments made when discussing the EVE economy, but this is one case where it holds imo. If the rewards aren't high enough, people will stop taking the contracts and the rewards will go up. I don't see that as a problem.
What would be nice is if CCP would allow courier contracts to be sub-contracted out. That would make for better gameplay and isk-making opportunities for hauler toons and corps.
Not gonna happen though. Courier Contracts are probably at the absolute very bottom of CCP's list of things to work on. |
Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.09 20:49:00 -
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The problem is that a lot of folks that accept courier contracts are just filling up empty space in their cargo hold for that much extra isk. It isn't like they're only going from A to B because of a single courier contract. Whenever I do a run to Jita, I usually look for a couple of convenient courier contracts to fill up whatever free space I have. Then, I look for the same on the return trip.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.09 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: AWACS Sgt
courier contracts are good to have around, but why should us haulers n freighters traverse eve for a pittense of a penny ? .. thats why i suggested some kind of fixed minimum prices
I don't know. Why do you do that? As for me, if I have a choice between getting my stuff hauled for less cost versus hauled for more, I'll choose the lower cost choice.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.09 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
I don't know. Why do you do that? As for me, if I have a choice between getting my stuff hauled for less cost versus hauled for more, I'll choose the lower cost choice.
Again there are choices. Use RF and pay more for just about instant delivery or pay less and you will get it soonÖ
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AWACS Sgt
Caldari A.W.A.C.S
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Posted - 2011.01.09 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: AWACS Sgt on 09/01/2011 21:31:05 looks like there will be a good upgrade in the field of contracts coming soon(TM)
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=833
if only ppl would stop treating haulers as cheap labor as well ..
edit for url fail
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.09 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 09/01/2011 21:33:18
Originally by: AWACS Sgt if only ppl would stop treating haulers as cheap labor as well ..
but enough hauler seem to be happy to supply cheap labor...
you might as well complain that less than 6 ISK/unit Tritanium shows no respect towards miners and should be prevented by CCP.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: AWACS Sgt there should actually be a POINT to courier contracts
So you do believe I should pay space trucker hobbyists more than what's obviously necessary for their beloved spare time activity? It's not my task to enable you to play EVE for free!
If you recognize a profession doesn't feed you well and nevertheless don't attempt to switch professions in return:
Blame yourself.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.01.09 22:14:00 -
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Oh great another one of you ppl trying to tell me how much my stuff is worth to me. High collateral comes from 1st off - the goods are probably valuable ; however I do not recognize your plea that somehow u should have a pay raise because off this - good will either way still take up the same amount of space that needs to be transported the same distance. Higher collateral also comes from keeping u from running off with my **** - make it much more expensive to you if you think your going to troll me and basically my stuff gets delivered on time w/o problems.
Btw there are good courier contracts out there - you just don't catch them quick enough
Note to CCP: If I can get to sub-contract courriers I will jump up and down and go out into the street and sing kum-bay-ya with a bottle of embarrassing stuff of your choice in my hands.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.09 23:01:00 -
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On the topic of contracts, let's hope this:
Originally by: "CCP Atlas" We have a few contracts feature requests on our list such as saving contract search conditions (quicksearch), bookmarking contracts, contracts API and more usability tweaks. We will hopefully be able to add some more features over the next few months.
gets implemented.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.09 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane On the topic of contracts, let's hope this:
Originally by: "CCP Atlas" We have a few contracts feature requests on our list such as saving contract search conditions (quicksearch), bookmarking contracts, contracts API and more usability tweaks. We will hopefully be able to add some more features over the next few months.
gets implemented.
2nd, the feature will boost hauling income, (although clearly you might be more at risk)
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Charon Jones
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Posted - 2011.01.10 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: AWACS Sgt
small cargos (industrial sized max) should as minimum reward 1/4 mil pr jump, 1 mil if lowsec
freighter cargos should as minimum reward 1 mil pr jump, 5 mil if in lowsec
Are you willing to haul through lowsec at these prices? If so, I've got some work for you!
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Luxotor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.10 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane On the topic of contracts, let's hope this:
Originally by: "CCP Atlas" We have a few contracts feature requests on our list such as saving contract search conditions (quicksearch), bookmarking contracts, contracts API and more usability tweaks. We will hopefully be able to add some more features over the next few months.
gets implemented.
Indeed. --- Make lowsec useful! |
AWACS Sgt
Caldari A.W.A.C.S
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Posted - 2011.01.10 06:25:00 -
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well, it's nice to see that i aint the only one feeling used n abused by this atm.
keep the comments coming
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Lenna Yamazaka
Caldari Dark Crystal Corporation DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2011.01.10 18:03:00 -
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Hey Sarge, First off I agree with this. I myself USED to move badger load of crap around for other people till it just got to silly.
Why Oh why would i take a contract to move maybe 10mill of crap and need to have 120mill collarteral. Those are Scams there as soon as you accept them the contract owner gets into space at a low serc place in the jump path and ganks you. Your out of the grabage needed to move, Your hauler, oh and the 100mill for collarteral and maybe your pod and implants. . . . Now worth it I think.
I feel that Sarge is right here and they need to make it more profitable to move tons of m3'ed around. As that is how some people make there iskers.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.01.10 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lenna Yamazaka ..they need to make it more profitable to move tons of m3'ed around.
No, you need to make it more profitable.
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Cleansing Spite
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Posted - 2011.01.10 19:44:00 -
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There are perfectly valid reasons to attempt to unionize couriers and bargain collectively against traders who need your services. Typically, individual couriers don't charge market rates given the risk and prevalence of collateral scams. You absolutely should work with your peers and attempt to extract more margin for your services.
Good luck.
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AWACS Sgt
Caldari A.W.A.C.S
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Posted - 2011.01.10 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal No, you need to make it more profitable.
and how do you suppose to back that comment ??
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.01.10 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: AWACS Sgt
Originally by: Liberty Eternal No, you need to make it more profitable.
and how do you suppose to back that comment ??
Uhm... it's called running a business
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AWACS Sgt
Caldari A.W.A.C.S
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Posted - 2011.01.10 22:51:00 -
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incase you havent noticed, it's not us thats setting the rewards for traversing space with your valuables ..
i like to fly my big ol charon across eve with someone else's cargo, but i am tired of the itty-bitty tiny rewards we can get for it.
i just wish ppl would up the reward somewhat, also us only flying highsec runs, cause it's way too risky to touch lowsec with the rewards they wanna give.
more comments welcome.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.01.10 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: AWACS Sgt incase you havent noticed, it's not us thats setting the rewards for traversing space with your valuables ..
i like to fly my big ol charon across eve with someone else's cargo, but i am tired of the itty-bitty tiny rewards we can get for it.
i just wish ppl would up the reward somewhat, also us only flying highsec runs, cause it's way too risky to touch lowsec with the rewards they wanna give.
more comments welcome.
You should try analysing the market in more detail and creating a business strategy that maximises profit while minimising workload. That's the reason why the market has set the prices at what appears to be a superficially low rate - it's because your competitors are already out there doing the best job they can, trying to put you out of business.
You're going to have to compete back by being smart, not just by working hard. Figure out how you can maximise the contracts you fulfill on any given run. Plan in advance, coordinate your actions.
The absolute worst thing we can do is to punish the market for its efficiency by forcing a subsidy out of the succesful to pay for the unsuccesful. The same goes for the price mechanism - if prices are low, it's either because others are happy to run at that level, or its because there is an inbalance in supply and demand and the market is signalling that you should deploy your time and capital into another sector of the economy.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.11 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: AWACS Sgt incase you havent noticed, it's not us thats setting the rewards for traversing space with your valuables ..
i like to fly my big ol charon across eve with someone else's cargo, but i am tired of the itty-bitty tiny rewards we can get for it.
i just wish ppl would up the reward somewhat, also us only flying highsec runs, cause it's way too risky to touch lowsec with the rewards they wanna give.
more comments welcome.
Why should they? If you don't want to do it do not. There is not much to discuss here, you are voluntarily taking on contracts and expecting people to voluntarily give you more isk for them, when they can pay you less instead? Why should they? There's no reason why.
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