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Don Sancto	Posted - 2011.01.13 23:30:00 - [1] I've heard several times that Amarr is the least popular race in EVE. Is this true? If so, is this because of their background story or what? Is there by the way any pros about being Amarr? A lot of people seem to dislike them heavily for some reason.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Syndicate.	Posted - 2011.01.13 23:50:00 - [2] Edited by: Culmen on 13/01/2011 23:53:34 Yes it is true The Demographic Breakdown according to the Quarterly Economic Newsletter is Race Share of Population Caldari 35.8% Gallente 20.5% Minmatar 20.5% Amarr 18.4% Exactly why is open to much debate. There is no gameplay disadvantage to playing Amarr, beyond a couple of hours of cross training time. Plus Caldari were leading the pack even BEFORE the Achura were released. (This was back when race and blood line changed attribtues, and the Achura had "the best") My bet is that it's the intro sequence. From the intro the Amarr sound downright boring in the intro. Plus all of them look like old geezers. There are no real pros or cons to being of any race. A handful of RP corps care, None of them have any REAL power on the major sov-holder scene. and that's it. Only beef I have with Amarr ships and weapons is that their tech 1 cruisers aren't all that good. But that's just my opinion. And you can always cross train. and further more why do i even need a sig?
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.01.13 23:55:00 - [3] It's all a big joke so don't worry about it, Amarr are a monothiestic race who make up for being eunuchs by whipping people. Though I would say that as I play Matari. Amarr players have in return often called me scum and told me to bow before their god, get back to my slave pen or other RP insults. It's something you can engage in if you want to or ignore if you don't. Mostly it's just a way for insulting each other if you enrol in fleet warfare but the back story's worth a look, not many people bother with proper RP but there are RP corps if you look for them. The book of EVE is where you'll find the backstory info. Being Amarr has no bearing on your ability to play the game, it won't affect the ships you fly or the corps you can join. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
gfldex	Posted - 2011.01.14 01:36:00 - [4] A long long time ago in the glorious days of stacking, you wanted to fly a geddon or a tempest. Then both got nerfed. And then laz0rs got nerfed. And then there where more nerfs not in favour of amarr ships. It got to a point where there was little reason to train amarr beside for the colour of the ships. On top of that it's damn hard to have a friendly looking face as an amarr. Heck, there are plenty amarr that don't show any face at all.
Zanzbar	Posted - 2011.01.14 06:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Culmen Race Share of Population Caldari 35.8% Gallente 20.5% Minmatar 20.5% Amarr 18.4% i think it has a lot to do with how caldari had a path that gave you decent mining skills from day 1, so a lot of indy characters are cadari for just that reason.
Idicious Lightbane Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.01.14 08:10:00 - [6] Originally by: gfldex A long long time ago in the glorious days of stacking, you wanted to fly a geddon or a tempest. Then both got nerfed. And then laz0rs got nerfed. And then there where more nerfs not in favour of amarr ships. It got to a point where there was little reason to train amarr beside for the colour of the ships. On top of that it's damn hard to have a friendly looking face as an amarr. Heck, there are plenty amarr that don't show any face at all. That was a good while ago, Amarr are not nerfed any more. Lasers are one of the best weapon systems in the game ATM, when you have T2 guns for them. Their T1 cruiser line is somewhat lacking atm (though Arbitrator rocks) but the T2 cruiser line is fantastic and ontop of that BC and up they have among the best ships in those classes.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.14 08:56:00 - [7] Not sure if race choice has something to do with weapon systems and ships tbh. If you start to play you have no idea about it and you can always cross train. - In the old days Minmatar and Caldari had the best stats for combat pilots and industrials so an above average number of people picked them, noticably Caldari/Achura. Of course the effect has worn off a bit but there's still a lot of characters that are made for those reasons. - If you're new, you pick a character for looks or RP reasons. Amarr: arrogant religious fanatics Caldari: materialists, capitalists, industrialists Gallente: hedonists, democrats Minmatar: freedom fighters, former slaves ... apparently Caldari appeals to a large part of the new players.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.01.14 09:10:00 - [8] My $0.02, most important was the whole Achura thing. Besides that, Caldari were and still are known for being easy-mode PVE with missiles. Drake, and especially Raven, have a great reputation for PVE. There is some truth in this. I guess many Caldari mission runners are 2nd accounts for isk making for 0.0/lowsec players, who want to run missions without having to think about tracking etc, just spam missiles. Flaw in this argument of course that you can do the same with Myrmidon and Dominix and drones, altough the Raven has much better DPS than the Dominix I think. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2011.01.14 10:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Louis deGuerre Flaw in this argument of course that... ... it does not matter what race you pick since all races can train for all ships, and it doesn't save you any time to start as Caldari. _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well!
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.01.14 10:54:00 - [10] Originally by: foksieloy Originally by: Louis deGuerre Flaw in this argument of course that... ... it does not matter what race you pick since all races can train for all ships, and it doesn't save you any time to start as Caldari. I never said it did. Quoting fail detected. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2011.01.14 11:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Louis deGuerre Besides that, Caldari were and still are known for being easy-mode PVE with missiles. Since the topic is about races, merely stating Caldari is assumed to mean "Caldari race". Therefore the easy-mode PVE is referred to the race. If you wanted to refer to the ships, you should have started your sentence with "Besides that, Caldari ships...". _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well!
Pan Dora Caldari Organization for Nuclear Research	Posted - 2011.01.14 12:00:00 - [12] Originally by: foksieloy Originally by: Louis deGuerre Besides that, Caldari were and still are known for being easy-mode PVE with missiles. Since the topic is about races, merely stating Caldari is assumed to mean "Caldari race". Therefore the easy-mode PVE is referred to the race. If you wanted to refer to the ships, you should have started your sentence with "Besides that, Caldari ships...". Please, dont be so silly. Its clear that the character dont have missile hardpoint, ships do. Also that is a factor for people that dont have enough knowledge of the game. They often assume that you will be better using ships of your own race then cross training, so they create caldari character if they want to fly caldari ship oblivious to the fact that it has no effect at all. _ I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.01.14 12:04:00 - [13] background story is exactly why I started with a caldari. I however started training amarr skills very early in my eve life, as amarr ships just looked good (in style and performance). I mean imo the only reason to start an amarr character is so you can have a hood. as stated achuras (a caldari blood line) probably make for a high proportion of caldari as they started with the best possible starting attributes, I know my first alt was achura.
Drahreg	Posted - 2011.01.14 13:01:00 - [14] When I started in the game my choice was Amarr because they use lasers. The characteristics of the Amarr beeing religious nuts and slaveholders actually turn me off, but I still like the ships. One of my chars is Caldari because I wanted to see if the race is so much better than Amarr of other races. What I really hate playing Caldari or in caldari-space is that the regions are so croweded. Since most of my chars are mainly miners, traders and mission runners I still pefer Amarr.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.01.14 16:33:00 - [15] 1) You can cross train and anyone can fly anything - but new people don't know that. 2) When you start playing the game - the intro tells you that the Amarr are Religious Zealots who own slaves and the Minmatar were slaves. Most new people don't like the idea of either being a Slave Owner or a Former Slave and most gamers aren't all that religious. This would account for the low numbers of new people playing Amarr and Minmatar. 3) The Gallente are the only democracy and the Caldari are militarists - both back stories would attract gamers. 4) Once you get a little bit into the game - you hear that the Caldari have the Best Mission Ships and the Best Mining Frigate and Mining Cruiser. Then you had all those Min/Maxers who created Achura's in the old days when it mattered. Thus, to quote someone I read when I was first playing "everyone and their brother has a Caldari Alt". Now ... all of the above pretty much has to do with perceptions - which may or may not be either real or matter in the game. How many times have you read some thread title asking "Which is the BEST ..."? So you have all these people chasing after this illusion that having the BEST will make them the BEST - when nothing could be further from the truth. Class for class - what matters is not so much the variables which might give one thing a marginal advantage over something else - but the person controlling that ship. You can do anything you want with any race using anyone's ships. Some may have some advantage over others in certain circumstances but you can use any of them. Good players will make good use of their ships and bad players bad use of theirs. THAT is a lot more important than "Which is the BEST ...". So ... it never really mattered all that much and it matters even less today but those perceptions persist. . Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
REiiGN15	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:31:00 - [16] That is very true. I picked Caldari because it sounded waaaay better than the others. I'm not religious at all. Not atheist either. True, I don't like the whole slave thing either. This all seems Stargate-ish to me(actually, I just got through watching all the stargate episodes in a 2 month timespan, some while playing EVE(running across 3 screens). Amarr using lasers is very Ori, or Goa'uld, plus them having religion and slaves. And weird looking ships. Caldari, is basically for financial gain, very much many of Black Op agenda agencies on Earth trying to thwart SG-1. Minmatar, slaves much like Jaffa. Sansha, similar for destruction-wise as replicators. Jove are like Asgardians, or Asgardians are more like CONCORD. I know there are other similarities, such as different races SG-1 encounters act like Gallente, with nice technology and beautiful planets, with the "we're better than everyone else" mentality. Any other similarities, and not to just Stargate?
Ingvar Angst	Posted - 2011.01.14 19:52:00 - [17] I started an Amarr because they're the least popular. I don't know why I made that decision, but it's ok. I'm still a noob.
Pan Dora Caldari Organization for Nuclear Research	Posted - 2011.01.15 01:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Pan Dora on 15/01/2011 01:51:59 Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk ...Then you had all those Min/Maxers who created Achura's in the old days when it mattered. Thus, to quote someone I read when I was first playing "everyone and their brother has a Caldari Alt"... At some time achura and alt had almost the same meaning, the difference being that an achura maybe was just a reroll. Still frustating since most people dont believe backstory and looks had influence in my bloodline choice. Caldari-achura-inventor has a backstory full of win but everything people remenber its that you had charisma 3 when you started... shrugs EDIT: PS: Posting with main and only achura character, go figure. _ I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.01.15 02:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 15/01/2011 02:11:09 Introduction of the Achura bloodline (amongst others) (by TheKiller8) EDIT : Just to be clear, all races and bloodlines now have exactly the same attributes so it does not matter which you pick. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !

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