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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.01.14 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Atra Hasis on 14/01/2011 03:44:15 Edited by: Atra Hasis on 14/01/2011 03:43:23 Yea, you all know why.
Okay at a friends request, I add more: To punish those with Escrow scams, and to punish those for RMT. No more can the characters just disappear (especially for escrow tricks).
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Foxgguy2001
Gallente Second Hand Lions Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2011.01.14 06:49:00 -
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Perhaps you could elaborate a little more...? ~Fox |
Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.01.14 06:57:00 -
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This will work better with other ideas currently floating around the AH. As it stands, there is only one way to go into negatives - to have a dev remove ISK from your wallet due to violation of the EULA.
However, in such respect, I agree. Supported.
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mchief117
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Posted - 2011.01.14 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Foxgguy2001 Perhaps you could elaborate a little more...?
currently eve devs will penalise a character for breaking rules by slaping them with a negative isk balance, this way they cant do much till its paid off. so most of the time the character is simple bioed ( ie destroyed) and another one instantly takes its place.
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:43:00 -
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I don't get it... What's preventing the RMTer or whatever to just abandon that account and start another?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.14 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: DarkAegix I don't get it... What's preventing the RMTer or whatever to just abandon that account and start another?
They may have other characters on the account.
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.01.14 17:41:00 -
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I added more to the original post
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klyeme
The Mind's Eye Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.01.15 01:57:00 -
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Ranka Mei
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Posted - 2011.01.15 02:02:00 -
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Supported. --
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.15 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Atra Hasis Okay at a friends request, I add more: To punish those with Escrow scams, and to punish those for RMT. No more can the characters just disappear (especially for escrow tricks).
Okay as it stands, if you train an alt up to margin trading 5 you can enter a buy order and not actually have to place the full buy order ISK amount into Escrow, at lvl 5 you only need to put 75% up. You can therefore create a huge buy order for an item(s) and only pay 75%, of course you will have a negative balance, but you can always just biomass the character and the balance is gone.
There is no way to get a negative wallet with game mechanics related to trading. The order you place with the margin trading skill will only be filled if you have enough isk on the wallet. If there is not enough isk on the wallet the order will vanish and the trade DOESN'T HAPPEN. There is no isk out of thin air here.
Tell your friend that he should at least have some knowledge of gamemechanics before he sends you out to propose bull****. If it is the other way round I apologise and tell you to buy some brainz and test stuff before you come to the forums proposing changes.
Originally by: Atra Hasis When you get caught with RMT, CCP will take the ISK away, of course if you have already spent all of it or some of it, you may end up with a negative balance.
Basically, by not allowing players to biomass characters with negative ISK balances, you remove a weird scam caused by fail mechanics, and you also PUNISH RMT.
That one I can support as it makes sense and probably has been brought up before.. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.01.15 18:45:00 -
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For RMT reasons sure...
You don't know how margin trading works though.
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Ronan Connor
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:58:00 -
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I dont think negative isk is yet possible. But your idea combined could be combined with this. Fullfill the market order even if the wallet does not provide enough. Let the char go into negative isk. Plus you cant set up other orders when you are in negative isk and all running orders will be cancelled if you where caught not providing enough isk for orders.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2011.01.16 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip This will work better with other ideas currently floating around the AH. As it stands, there is only one way to go into negatives - to have a dev remove ISK from your wallet due to violation of the EULA.
However, in such respect, I agree. Supported.
This
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:21:00 -
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The RMT was my point, another asked me to add the margin trading problem. I prolly shoulda done some more research first as I don't do anything like that, but in the moment I just added it.
In the end though, you can have a negative balance if CCP intervenes.
It can work both ways really, CCP can give negative balances to both the buyer and the seller, CCP keeps the accounts on the books and those users get nothing.
Perhaps instead of banning botters, CCP could just give negative balances to them and boom
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:52:00 -
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Iratus Aragrev
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Atra Hasis The RMT was my point, another asked me to add the margin trading problem. I prolly shoulda done some more research first as I don't do anything like that, but in the moment I just added it.
In the end though, you can have a negative balance if CCP intervenes.
It can work both ways really, CCP can give negative balances to both the buyer and the seller, CCP keeps the accounts on the books and those users get nothing.
Perhaps instead of banning botters, CCP could just give negative balances to them and boom
Margin trading is not a "problem". I, however, support the idea. Penalized characters should not be deletable untill the penalty is removed (IE, negative wallet).
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:49:00 -
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I don't know if it's possible to obtain a negative isk value, but it shouldn't be.
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Amy Garzan
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Posted - 2011.01.20 02:13:00 -
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Happy Inthe Hood
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip This will work better with other ideas currently floating around the AH. As it stands, there is only one way to go into negatives - to have a dev remove ISK from your wallet due to violation of the EULA.
However, in such respect, I agree. Supported.
Last time i checked custom officials can still fine you randomly at gates if you happen to be carrying illegal goods. Depending on quantity's in cargo hold i imagine this could throw you in the negative. So technically there are ways to go into the negative without Violating the EULA. Something to think about. |
Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.01.22 07:52:00 -
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So you'd rather drive people out of the game that once bought ISK and got caught instead of re-educating them? That's stupid and the reason CCP won't do it. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx So you'd rather drive people out of the game that once bought ISK and got caught instead of re-educating them? That's stupid and the reason CCP won't do it.
i thought CCP "frowns" at used alts recycling? how does that re-educate people? ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 22/01/2011 13:13:54
Originally by: Atra Hasis
Yea, you all know why.
Okay at a friends request, I add more: To punish those with Escrow scams, and to punish those for RMT. No more can the characters just disappear (especially for escrow tricks).
Okay as it stands, if you train an alt up to margin trading 5 you can enter a buy order and not actually have to place the full buy order ISK amount into Escrow, at lvl 5 you only need to put 75% up. You can therefore create a huge buy order for an item(s) and only pay 75%, of course you will have a negative balance, but you can always just biomass the character and the balance is gone.
When you get caught with RMT, CCP will take the ISK away, of course if you have already spent all of it or some of it, you may end up with a negative balance.
Basically, by not allowing players to biomass characters with negative ISK balances, you remove a weird scam caused by fail mechanics, and you also PUNISH RMT.
Next time dont buy ISK or dont scam, and the devs/GMs wont move to you negative wallet.
Bye,bye!!!
P.S. Pls cheaters don't cry when you got punishment affter tricks.
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