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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Neamus on 14/01/2011 21:04:59 Every time I read an Ian M Banks Culture novel it puts me in mind of EvE. I wonder if enough players shouted loud enough at him, that we could get him to write a story for EvE?
Oh if you haven't read one of his books yet then go ahead and start with "Consider Phlebas" and then continue on from there, you'll soon know what I'm talking about. Imo probably the best contemporary sci fi writer on the planet.
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Le Verrier
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:06:00 -
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Alastair Reynolds > Banks.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:07:00 -
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I enjoy his novels also, not sure he'd do as you ask though. But never say never.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:10:00 -
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Maybe, maybe not... But his style with the Culture novels would just fit sooo well into the EvE universe, it would be like a literary wet dream.
I havent read any Alastair Reynolds stuff, but if he's anywhere near as good as Ian is then I'll give it a shot.
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Le Verrier
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Neamus I havent read any Alastair Reynolds stuff, but if he's anywhere near as good as Ian is then I'll give it a shot.
His style is a bit more "realistic" than Banks'. First books are a bit stiff but he is still pretty good.
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Bel Amar
Amarr Sudden Buggery Anarchy Unlimited
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:28:00 -
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Other than being science fiction, how are they similar? The setting is completely different, with a lack of anything resembling the Minds, and an overall positive, optimistic vibe. Everyone is working for the greater good, and for those that aren't, the big bad parents (Minds) can soon resolve the situation.
Compare to EVE, in which ISK is king, the vibe is negative and confrontational. No one is out to look after you, or to stop the bad men from blowing your stuff up. The human mind is the ultimate authority, capsuleers and empires put the common man down etc.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:43:00 -
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The Culture has a generally positive "vibe" to it yes, but the rest of the universe is depicted as being just as dark and brutal as EvE's is. I think he'd do it justice... And then some... But vibe aside for a minute its the scope he evokes, whole space opera thing he has going on that really appeals to me.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:44:00 -
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Excession FTW, my fave, but yeah, no Minds or Culture vibe in Eve. |
Khestohr Vaine
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:57:00 -
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Is he any relation to Iain M. Banks?
Just kidding, I knew who you meant. I've only read Consider Phlebas so far, a couple times actually, but I have a bunch of gift cards to use after Christmas and Player of Games is up next.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 14/01/2011 21:59:29
Originally by: Khestohr Vaine Is he any relation to Iain M. Banks?
Just kidding, I knew who you meant. I've only read Consider Phlebas so far, a couple times actually, but I have a bunch of gift cards to use after Christmas and Player of Games is up next.
Do yourself a favour and order Use Of Weapons at the same time, because after you read Player, you're not going to want to wait.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Cailais
Amarr Random Pirate's
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Le Verrier Alastair Reynolds > Banks.
Confirming this. Reynolds is superb.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:11:00 -
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I foresee a change of location for this thread.
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:12:00 -
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Well, I can answer your question for you if you like. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Iain a few years ago whilst living in Glasgow. This was when he had just released Matter, one of the Culture books. Iain and his friend and fellow author Ken Macleod did a one hour live interview at one of the main librarys in Glasgow city centre followed by a book signing. At said book signing we were all given the opportunity to ask both authors one question.
Guess what mine was? Thats right, I told Iain I played this fantastic game called EVE-ONLINE, with a rich back history and its own set of Chronicles. I asked him if he would ever consider writing stories based in the EVE universe rather than his own Culture one. His answer, though delivered with a grin and a laugh was no. He enjoys writing the Culture series because it is HIS universe. All the rules, physics and terminology are his to do with as he see's fit and writing using someone elses rules just wouldnt work for him.
I agree though, with his style of writing he could do amazing things with and for the EVE universe. Oh well, such is life as they say.
Originally by: Johnny Dexter bombs everyone to Narnia
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Khestohr Vaine
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Edited by: Malcanis on 14/01/2011 21:59:29
Originally by: Khestohr Vaine Is he any relation to Iain M. Banks?
Just kidding, I knew who you meant. I've only read Consider Phlebas so far, a couple times actually, but I have a bunch of gift cards to use after Christmas and Player of Games is up next.
Do yourself a favour and order Use Of Weapons at the same time, because after you read Player, you're not going to want to wait.
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Kesper North
Caldari Gentlemen of Means Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:26:00 -
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I enjoy both writers, but I'd say that Alastair Reynolds is by far my favorite of the two. He manages to make space feel extremely big and fills it with both wonder and inchoate fear, something that strikes me as imbuing the emotions that actual space explorers would experience on a regular basis. The entire Revelation Space trilogy was a symphony of posthuman creepiness and big-concept hard SF. I'm a little disappointed that Reynolds has been writing with more human themes in mind lately, as he writes aliens and posthumans so believably and so well.
Banks's universe is well-lived-in and well travelled, and while he has a nice millieu set up, it feels a little careless at times, as if the consequences of the world he's created are not quite fully thought out. Though he took a big step towards correcting that with his latest novel Surface Detail, which I feel is one of his stronger works. Excession is still by far my favorite, since it is so playful and fun. Player of Games was also good. I was not a huge fan of Consider Phlebas or Use of Weapons, which are apparently what most people consider his big hits.
I'm also extremely fond of Peter Watts, author of Blindsight. His work is even bleaker than Reynolds at his blackest, and is demonstrably willing to do video game novels, since he is working on Crysis 2. He even worked on Homeworld 2 briefly, showing that he could do justice to accurate portrayal of the Naglfar. ;) -- Killed me? Read about it in my blog! Northern Lights: Solo PVP in EVE Online
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Doddy
Burning Vendetta
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:53:00 -
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Banks is super speculative, super far advanced tech sci-fi, eve is really not that far ahead of where we are now. Compare a culture mind with the ai controlling that warrior 2 that just wont bloody scoop for example.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.01.15 01:02:00 -
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I've only recently discovered Reynolds with House of Suns and greatly enjoyed it, looking forward to reading his other stuff... but I've got ALL Banks' SF novels...in a little shrine where I daily worship. I really hope Reynolds has a book in his arsenal that can beat the mindbogglingly good The Player of Games but it would suprise me as it's my favorite book ever...The player being played playing a game etc awesomeness ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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DontLaseMeBro
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Posted - 2011.01.16 05:20:00 -
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Hello all. First I must say, finding such a topic on the EvE-O boards made my day.
Sadly, I cannot say that I have read any of the Banks books, but, it is my plans for the near future.
Alistair Reynolds on the other hand, seems to already have it down in his "Revelation Space" Universe. There are many similarities to the EvE Universe already. We have Capsuleers -> Conjoiners/Ultras, possibly leaning more towards the Ultras, due to their incessant nomad lifestyle revolving around trade, while Conjoiners are more the technological side, perhaps. I would go further to compare Sleepers to the Wolves. A mysterious species, machines rather than organic lifeforms, intent on the destruction of everything living. Also, Reynolds universe is a cold hard place, with only yourself for help, as well as not being able to trust anyone.
I wont go too much farther, but, I am happy to say I have named several of my ships after things out of the Revelation Space Universe. I didn't name my characters, because the names were already taken.
That's it, hopefully the Banks books will be good.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.01.16 05:23:00 -
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neither of those guys can write.
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Sma Zakalwe
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.16 09:32:00 -
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Can you tell I'm a fan?
The new one Surface Detail is pretty good.
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Othran
Ad Infernum
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Posted - 2011.01.16 10:30:00 -
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If you like Reynolds then try Gary Gibson - Shoal Sequence books. Stealing Light was probably the best SF book I've read since Peter Hamilton's "Nights Dawn" trilogy.
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:11:00 -
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Mr. Banks has two 'I's [eyes?] in his name.
. All generalisations are false - Discuss.
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Sinister Dextor
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Tormak neither of those guys can write.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:16:00 -
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Anyone read Peter F Hamiltons work? I have nearly everyone of his books, they are all fantastic!
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Ejit
Amarr STD contractors
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:36:00 -
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If your interested in novels with a slight EVE theme. I highly recommend Neal Asher's Polity serious. The technology described in his books is awesome, with a hint of Stargate and features a lot of cool implant\hardwiring tec.
It's also where I suspect the EVE dev team got their name from "Occam's Razor" As two or three of the books feature a Dreadnought of the same name.
I read the whole lot and couldn't put them down.
Neal Asher Wiki page Amazon, Neal Asher
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Avernus
Gallente Paragon Fury
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Posted - 2011.01.16 14:45:00 -
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First read Player of Games near 20 years ago, still one of my favorite books.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.16 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Le Verrier Alastair Reynolds > Banks.
Confirming this. Reynolds is superb.
C.
Double confirmed. --Vel
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Othran
Ad Infernum
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Posted - 2011.01.16 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
The Night's Dawn Trilogy (published in six parts) is pretty awesome. Can't say I really liked any of his other stuff.
It might be in 6 parts in the US, but it was published as a trilogy in Europe. Still is.
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Tagera
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sma Zakalwe Can you tell I'm a fan?
The new one Surface Detail is pretty good.
Yes it is. I bought it quite a few weeks ago and read it in about 2 days or so. Didn't want to put it down. That Abomination class SC ship is nuts...completely off it's rocker, but still hilarious at the same time.
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Tagera
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ejit If your interested in novels with a slight EVE theme. I highly recommend Neal Asher's Polity serious. The technology described in his books is awesome, with a hint of Stargate and features a lot of cool implant\hardwiring tec.
It's also where I suspect the EVE dev team got their name from "Occam's Razor" As two or three of the books feature a Dreadnought of the same name.
I read the whole lot and couldn't put them down.
Neal Asher Wiki page Amazon, Neal Asher
I've only read the The Skinner I think. But I did enjoy it. Very good book.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Hell's Hide-Out
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:32:00 -
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Eve universe and back story is arse, originaly written on the back of a cigarett packet and severley crippled by being forced to adhere to a (albeit often very fun) severly mechanicaly flawed game
So no
SKUNK (o)
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.01.16 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Originally by: De'Veldrin
The Night's Dawn Trilogy (published in six parts) is pretty awesome. Can't say I really liked any of his other stuff.
It might be in 6 parts in the US, but it was published as a trilogy in Europe. Still is.
1e book awesome, 2e & 3e sucked tbh. I am disappoint. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Keita Agnosz
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Posted - 2011.01.16 17:35:00 -
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Not many spaceships in them, but Richard Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs books always seemed Eve-like to me. Not just because they include immortality through mind-transfer, but the feel is similar to some of the Eve chronicles.
Also my vote goes for Banks>Reynolds, though I do like Alastair Reynolds' books.
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Ejit
Amarr STD contractors
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Posted - 2011.01.16 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ejit on 16/01/2011 18:36:52
Originally by: Tagera
Originally by: Ejit If your interested in novels with a slight EVE theme. I highly recommend Neal Asher's Polity serious. The technology described in his books is awesome, with a hint of Stargate and features a lot of cool implant\hardwiring tec.
It's also where I suspect the EVE dev team got their name from "Occam's Razor" As two or three of the books feature a Dreadnought of the same name.
I read the whole lot and couldn't put them down.
Neal Asher Wiki page
Trilogy is wrong sorry, it's more like ten or eleven books now.. Amazon, Neal Asher
I've only read the The Skinner I think. But I did enjoy it. Very good book.
You should continue with the trilogy. I've really enjoyed it. Try Prador Moon next. Then I think it goes Gridlinked then The Line of Polity
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.16 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kesper North I enjoy both writers, but I'd say that Alastair Reynolds is by far my favorite of the two. He manages to make space feel extremely big and fills it with both wonder and inchoate fear, something that strikes me as imbuing the emotions that actual space explorers would experience on a regular basis. The entire Revelation Space trilogy was a symphony of posthuman creepiness and big-concept hard SF. I'm a little disappointed that Reynolds has been writing with more human themes in mind lately, as he writes aliens and posthumans so believably and so well.
Banks's universe is well-lived-in and well travelled, and while he has a nice millieu set up, it feels a little careless at times, as if the consequences of the world he's created are not quite fully thought out. Though he took a big step towards correcting that with his latest novel Surface Detail, which I feel is one of his stronger works. Excession is still by far my favorite, since it is so playful and fun. Player of Games was also good. I was not a huge fan of Consider Phlebas or Use of Weapons, which are apparently what most people consider his big hits.
I'm also extremely fond of Peter Watts, author of Blindsight. His work is even bleaker than Reynolds at his blackest, and is demonstrably willing to do video game novels, since he is working on Crysis 2. He even worked on Homeworld 2 briefly, showing that he could do justice to accurate portrayal of the Naglfar. ;)
First read Blindsight back in '07 and loved it. Calling his work bleak is a slight understatement. For anyone who's interested, it's available online here: Blindsight ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente The Reformed
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Posted - 2011.01.16 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 16/01/2011 18:59:36
Originally by: Khestohr Vaine
Originally by: Malcanis Edited by: Malcanis on 14/01/2011 21:59:29
Originally by: Khestohr Vaine Is he any relation to Iain M. Banks?
Just kidding, I knew who you meant. I've only read Consider Phlebas so far, a couple times actually, but I have a bunch of gift cards to use after Christmas and Player of Games is up next.
Do yourself a favour and order Use Of Weapons at the same time, because after you read Player, you're not going to want to wait.
I will do that.
Read it twice too, it's a bit awkward to start so it's worth reading again.
I own all the M Banks novels, all in the new-style covers too. Except for Surface Detail, which is on my Kindle.
Edit: For Alastair Reynolds, is Revelation Space a good place to start?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.01.16 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 16/01/2011 20:13:57
Originally by: Keita Agnosz Not many spaceships in them, but Richard Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs books always seemed Eve-like to me. Not just because they include immortality through mind-transfer, but the feel is similar to some of the Eve chronicles.
Can definitely recommend these books ('Altered Carbon', 'Broken Angels' and 'Woken Furies') they all rock. Also his 'Black Man' book. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Le Verrier
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Posted - 2011.01.16 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edit: For Alastair Reynolds, is Revelation Space a good place to start?
Yes. There's also a collection book called Galactic North, which has some of Rev.Space characters in it, and ties to the second and third book in the Rev.Space series. It is also a good book to start with.
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DontLaseMeBro
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Posted - 2011.01.16 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edit: For Alastair Reynolds, is Revelation Space a good place to start?
Revelation Space is a great place to start. Chasm City should be the next, but it's not really directly in line story wise, still great book though. Followed by Redemption Ark, then Absolution Gap.
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Night Epoch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.16 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/01/2011 20:32:34 I love Banks (Consider Phlebas & Player of Games are among my favorites ... if you're looking for something really out there, check out "The Algebraist").
Ashamed to say I've never read a word of Reynolds, but thanks to this thread I've just ordered two of his books off of Amazon just now.
Am I correct in assuming that the proper Reynolds reading order is:
1. Revelation Space 2. Redemption Ark 3. Chasm City 4. Absolution Gap 5. The Prefect
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Edit: nvm, just saw the post above mine
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.16 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Night Epoch Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/01/2011 20:32:34 I love Banks (Consider Phlebas & Player of Games are among my favorites ... if you're looking for something really out there, check out "The Algebraist").
Ashamed to say I've never read a word of Reynolds, but thanks to this thread I've just ordered two of his books off of Amazon just now.
Am I correct in assuming that the proper Reynolds reading order is:
1. Revelation Space 2. Redemption Ark 3. Chasm City 4. Absolution Gap 5. The Prefect
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Edit: nvm, just saw the post above mine
In terms of chronology, The Prefect should precede all of the others, and then be followed by Diamond Dogs, Turquoise Days.
Then: Revelation Space, Chasm City, Redemption Ark, Absolution Gap
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Avernus
Gallente Paragon Fury
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Posted - 2011.01.16 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: DontLaseMeBro
Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edit: For Alastair Reynolds, is Revelation Space a good place to start?
Revelation Space is a great place to start. Chasm City should be the next, but it's not really directly in line story wise, still great book though. Followed by Redemption Ark, then Absolution Gap.
Thank you for that, I've been meaning to start this series for ages, but the softcovers never actually give any description on them of what order to go in; inevitably I end up picking up something else and forget about it until next time I want a book.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.18 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Originally by: De'Veldrin
The Night's Dawn Trilogy (published in six parts) is pretty awesome. Can't say I really liked any of his other stuff.
It might be in 6 parts in the US, but it was published as a trilogy in Europe. Still is.
I think they finally talked the publisher into doing three trade paperbacks instead of 6 standard sized paperbacks, but I still have the original six volume paperback set that I bought way back when. --Vel
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:47:00 -
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The player of games has to be one of my favorite books, I have read it many times..... My copy is getting a little 'traveled' now, however it is signed by Iain, so still has pride of place on my bookshelf.
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:56:00 -
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I also love Banks, i sometimes name my ships after the ships in the novels cause they are awesome.
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Lord Wamphyri
Amarr Starside Lost
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman Anyone read Peter F Hamiltons work? I have nearly everyone of his books, they are all fantastic!
I have, the first book of his I read was Pandora's Star, swiftly followed by Judas Unchained. Then demolished the Void trilogy in short order!
Another author I can recommend is Kevin J. Anderson, specifically the Saga of the Seven Suns books; while not really Eve-like, an engrossing read nonetheless.
Incidentally, what is it with these scifi authors and their Middle initials? Maybe it's an homage to Arthur C. Clark?
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:00:00 -
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Taste is a strange thing.
I read Consider Phlebas some years ago, and the whole event was blanked from my mind and "Never read anything by Iain M. Banks ever" has been left imprinted where the memories for Consider Phlebas should be sitting.
I just look up a sypnosis of it on wiki, and sure enough, it's gone, I had no idea what it was about before I read the wiki so amazing has been my prowess at compartmentalising it away where it cannot harm me again.
But having read the wiki, it sounds like the sort of thing I want to read... but I have to trust my mind, I will regret reading it I am sure. I wonder what it was that did me in...
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Plague Black
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Plague Black on 18/01/2011 14:07:04 Edited by: Plague Black on 18/01/2011 14:06:15 Finaly a thread worth reading here.
The Culture series rocks, I'm just reading Surface Detail now, read all before that. But it has almost no similarities with EVE. Close to 0 I'm afraid. EVE is universe composed of human descendants that rely on capitalism where Culture universe is communist super-intelligent robo brains who mingle in affairs of different primitive alien races as they have reached end game of life (to use simple terms).
Works of Peter F. Hamilton remind me much more of EVE, Commonwealth universe, with all the rich immortal power-people that can clone themselves as desired once they die in fire while sacrificing billions to their economy goals (much more like EVE). I firmly think that CCP pinched a lot from PFH, although cloning idea is not orginaly his.
But they are both great, so any EVE story coming from their pen would rock. What I do not want to see is EVE story comming from Terry Pratchett's pen since his writing reminds me of how CCP is doing their business (I'll leave to reader to make his own conclusion here).
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Taste is a strange thing.
I read Consider Phlebas some years ago, and the whole event was blanked from my mind and "Never read anything by Iain M. Banks ever" has been left imprinted where the memories for Consider Phlebas should be sitting.
I read The Wasp Factory years ago and had the same reaction as you. On the advice of a friend I recently read Consider Phlebas and I found it stilted, predictable and the story had no consequence within the context in which it was set.
On the advice of my corp I persevered and read Player Of Games and I have to admit that's the best book I've read in a very long time. The next book State of the Art was utter guff but I'm looking forward to Excession as that comes highly recommended.
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:23:00 -
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I'm reading Consider Phlebas atm and after about 150 pages I am finding it a real grind - boring actually, and not particularly well structured or written. Shame, because I don't usually read SF and was looking forward to it.
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Lathlrilanq
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:27:00 -
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I always smile when I see a ship on scan named after one of his ships, do it myself too!
I must say, Surface Detail was good, Matter was alright, but Player and Excession blow the rest of them outta the water! Inversions makes no sense unless you've read the others and know a little about SC.
Regarding Consider Phlebas, its not one of his best, read Excession for a true idea of what he can pull off!
(my old corp was called Quietly Confident and I fly a pilgrim called Tactical Grace, yes I am a little bit of a fan :D )
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