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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 01:27:00 -
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"we have launched a new investment concept. This concept is as simple as it seems. You give Phaser Inc a certain amount of money to manage for you. In return you receive interest on weekly basis."
http://www.phaserinc.com/
Who's behind Phaser Inc. ?
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Juda Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
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Posted - 2011.01.16 01:35:00 -
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obviously you are...
-Juda
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 01:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Juda Decartes
obviously you are...
Nope. And I didn't ask for random guessing, did I ?!
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.16 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Juda Decartes
obviously you are...
Nope. And I didn't ask for random guessing, did I ?!
And you didn't get random guessing either.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.16 02:37:00 -
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Yup, it's you. Classic **** investment scam. Toon burned. Better luck next time.
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Luxotor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:01:00 -
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lame.
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:49:00 -
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Is Reithe still doing Webdesign / IPO Counceling ?
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Luxotor
lame.
Yes and no. Saw one of the "CEO" figures posting in Dodixie local -- with some story I do not believe. Nevertheless they obviously hacked up some FQDN website without (?!) posting about it on the forums... which does require more of an effort the usual hub local chat "businessmen" scammer would be willing or capable to invest and thereby is of higher "quality" than some threads in here...
And again: There is no tie between that site and my person at all other than this thread. So spare me the nonsense of clobbering this thread with pointless accusations, thank you.
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CarnegieSteel
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Posted - 2011.01.16 06:48:00 -
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I spoke to one of the marketers in game. If it isnt a scam (which it may or may not be - I make no judgment on that front), then it is a poorly run investment company. He told me they engage in daytrading of market goods, with no particular focus.
Just like in real life, I would steer clear of daytrading unless you know what you are doing. (Most people do not, and I wouldnt trust some random company to do it)
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Ovuu
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Posted - 2011.01.16 10:34:00 -
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Do you have testimonials from other pilots?
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.16 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: CarnegieSteel
I spoke to one of the marketers in game. If it isnt a scam (which it may or may not be - I make no judgment on that front), then it is a poorly run investment company. He told me they engage in daytrading of market goods, with no particular focus.
Just like in real life, I would steer clear of daytrading unless you know what you are doing. (Most people do not, and I wouldnt trust some random company to do it)
Your comment about day trading in EVE OR rl is nonsense, fyi ;)
Lederstrumpf, you and the website have something in common .. the location! Whois it :P Unless I am mistaking your character name with something else that is.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
you and the website have something in common .. the location! Whois it :P Unless I am mistaking your character name with something else that is.
Doesn't make sense to me, but please go ahead and dive into detail.
I'm German, so is my nick (for background info on Lederstrumpf go see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leatherstocking_Tales ), whois/traceroute points me to some web hosting service(a quick check reveals 195.88.32.230 is serving **** and poker stuff, too)/registrar in .nl, not .de (http://myh2oservers.com/ ?).
Yes, Europe is Europe.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.16 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Caldariftw123
you and the website have something in common .. the location! Whois it :P Unless I am mistaking your character name with something else that is.
Doesn't make sense to me, but please go ahead and dive into detail.
I'm German, so is my nick (for background info on Lederstrumpf go see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leatherstocking_Tales ), whois/traceroute points me to some web hosting service(a quick check reveals 195.88.32.230 is serving **** and poker stuff, too)/registrar in .nl, not .de (http://myh2oservers.com/ ?).
Yes, Europe is Europe.
Ah I thought you were from the netherlands! Nvm :P I was just joking around, I don't REALLY think you have something to do with the site, just thought I'd have some fun with it. I hope you don't anyway, as it's a pretty ****-poor attempt at a scam.
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.16 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 16/01/2011 22:50:17
I was notified about this thread this weekend, and I can answer some of the questions being asked.
Before I do, I want to thank the people who look at us unprejudiced which is hard with the recent number of scams in EVE.
To answer your questions, Id like to introduce myself. Im behind Phaser Inc, together with Mordor Exuel. We both run Phaser Inc and do the advertising like a few of you noticed in the local chats in Dodixie, Amarr, Jita and Rens. Both Mordor and I are from the Netherlands. Caldariftw123 is right about that.
No matter what I say, I will never be able to give you 100% certainty we are a honest business. There are some facts that speak in our advance though.
First of all is our website. We have put a lot of effort making a website that offers a personal tracking account to manage your investment. We even implemented automated transaction handling this week. A scammer can do that too of course. So again, its not 100% certainty. But atleast it gives us some credit I hope.
Second fact is, we make ISK with the aquired investments. If we would steal the invested ISK, we would have to start all over again. New domain name, new investors, new everything. Its the question what would be more profitable. The scam or just trading with the investments and making a decent profit. Probably the scam, but is it worth to swindle a lot of people and killing a succesfull corporation? We think its not worth it. Again, no certainty. But this is how we feel.
Third fact is, investors are able to withdraw their money anytime and get it back into their wallet within 24 hours.
Those three things I wanted to mention. If people feel its not enough certainty, I can understand. Do not invest if you dont feel comfortable with it. We wont cheat on you, but you also have to be happy doing business with us. You have to decide yourself if its worth taking the risk.
Something Id like to respond to, is about CarnegieSteels post. Please dont judge us entirely based on the chat we had. You dont exactly know what we are doing, and you dont know how much expertise we have about financials/trading in and outside the game. If you think RL daytrading and EVE daytrading works the same way, you just might consider taking an investment account with us. Your money would be safer with us, than with you ;)
Last thing Id like to mention is about testimonials of other pilots. We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website. This is by request of several investors and we stick to it. But if any investor reads this topic, he or she is welcome to tell how he/she feels about Phaser Inc.
This is all I can tell about Phaser Inc at the moment. I hope this is what youve been looking for. Please feel free to contact Mordor or me with further questions. We will also follow this topic and reply if its neccesairy.
Regards,
Eddie Lampert and Mordor Exuel
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LiquidatorBrunt
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Posted - 2011.02.10 21:43:00 -
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what would be "most profitable" would be run it legit until it balloons and then get it to spread through word of mouth
and then run off with all the cash 
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.10 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: LiquidatorBrunt
what would be "most profitable" would be run it legit until it balloons and then get it to spread through word of mouth
and then run off with all the cash
You're some kind of genius, aren't you? Why are you wasting your time on EVE forums when you could be curing AIDs or inventing a non-finger-through toilet paper? 
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.02.10 21:52:00 -
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I gave Phaser Inc. a little bit of money.
Their website looks pretty spiffy and if it is a scam, then it deserves some reward for the effort :-)
If not, even better.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.11 09:15:00 -
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Quote:
non-finger-through toilet paper
When I tell people I learned English thru the forums, some don't believe. Yet, even today, an EvE player teached me a new "everyday life" bit that are so hard to find on dictionaries.
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Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read
http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 11:13:00 -
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You can tell it's a scam, because all of there "Testimonials" have similar grammar, correct spelling and punctuation.
At least put a little work into making them seen like they came from different people.
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 11/02/2011 12:06:52
Originally by: Londo Cebb
You can tell it's a scam, because all of their "Testimonials" have similar grammar, correct spelling and punctuation.
At least put a little work into making them seen like they came from different people.
Funny to read this actually since I know all the testimonials are real. If you think they have similar grammar and punctuation, I suggest you consider reading them again. You just tried so hard finding stuff that fits your biased opinion, you ignored the facts.
If you think we are scam, Im completely fine with that. But don't try to make up any facts.
On the other hand, you just complemented almost 10 people with their ability to write without any spelling, grammar and punctuation errors :)
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Oh really ?
Read more carefully ;)
It says WE don't mention any names on our website. The investors chose themselves to have their names displayed or not. Furthermore I'd like to add that the testimonial idea is because of requests from both visitors and investors aswell.
Bottom line: I don't care if you THINK we are scam. I don't like the backbiting based on some made up arguments.
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Londo Cebb on 11/02/2011 12:48:30
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
You just tried so hard finding stuff that fits your biased opinion, you ignored the facts.
What facts? All I see is a site run by you, that you are telling me contains facts.
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
If you think we are scam, Im completely fine with that. But don't try to make up any facts.
I presented no facts in my original statement. Merely my opinion. Others are free to make their own determination.
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
Read more carefully ;)
It says WE don't mention any names on our website. The investors chose themselves to have their names displayed or not. Furthermore I'd like to add that the testimonial idea is because of requests from both visitors and investors as well.
You run the site. You are displaying the names. Whether or not they chose to allow you to display the name has no bearing on the fact that you made a false statement.
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
Bottom line: I don't care if you THINK we are scam. I don't like the backbiting based on some made up arguments.
I don't care if you don't care that I think you are a scam. I did not make my original post for you. I made it so that maybe some poor sucker wont get ripped off by you. I'm not sure why I care about that though.
Also, I am a troll.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.02.11 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 11/02/2011 13:08:53
Originally by: Londo Cebb
You run the site. You are displaying the names. Whether or not they chose to allow you to display the name has no bearing on the fact that you made a false statement.
He didn't made a false statement, you're too ... erhm ... "challenged" when it comes to reading, it seems. From TFWS:
Quote:
Every day potential investors ask us for a reference. They like to talk to players doing business with us to ask them about their experiences. Since Phaser Inc has a strict policy not to mention any names on the website, we had to turn down those requests.
Increasingly however, investors asked us for some kind of testimonial functionality. They wanted to write a brief review of their experiences with Phaser Inc.
Because both potential investors and current investors ask for this feature, we decided to make an exception on the "no names displayed on the website" policy. We do offer a testimonial option now. The investors are given the option to stay anonymous or to publish their names.
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Lampert
We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website.
This statement is false. A simple addition like this:
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website without their permission.
Would make it a true statement.
It's semantics really. The site does mention investor names in the public section of the site.
If you work under the assumption that they really are investors and not alts or in on the scam *
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 11/02/2011 14:39:27
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Would make it a true statement.
It's semantics really. The site does mention investor names in the public section of the site.
If you work under the assumption that they really are investors and not
alts or in on the scam *
True, it is semantics indeed. Let us stop annoying the topic follower :)
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:43:00 -
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Thank you for admitting that I am right.
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 11/02/2011 14:50:58
Only the "It is about semantics" part 
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:09:00 -
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We shall see. I put about 30 minutes worth of work to them. If anything the website is slick and deserves a little reward. We shall see.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:11:00 -
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So who wants to make a bet on an over/under on when these guys will stop processing "withdrawals"?
Before or after EBANK issues shares?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
So who wants to make a bet on an over/under on when these guys will stop processing "withdrawals"?
Before or after EBANK issues shares?
Why so negative? They setup their thing, they are already running it (so it's too late), they are not bothering anyone.
Being suspicious is good but to automatically presume guilt is not going to bring anywhere.
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Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read
http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Kalrand
So who wants to make a bet on an over/under on when these guys will stop processing "withdrawals"?
Before or after EBANK issues shares?
Why so negative? They setup their thing, they are already running it (so it's too late), they are not bothering anyone.
Being suspicious is good but to automatically presume guilt is not going to bring anywhere.
I'm pretty negative on any business that survives by advertising in the local chat of market hubs.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:59:00 -
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Hey at 5% interest PER WEEK give them 2 billion and get a plex and change a month entirely passively.
Seems legit.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:18:00 -
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I am by no means advocating giving them any ISK, invest at your own risk basically. Yes I'm leary of local trade hubs and about %98 of it is all garbage, but once in a while there is a legit offering.
I also like to point out that a Goon giving advice and opinions on scams still makes me laugh, even if it is a Goon that is respectable.
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Amdor Renevat
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:24:00 -
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I saw the phaserinc add yesterday and gave it a read.
Really nice website, chocked full of buzzwords and synergy. However nowhere did I see anything that talked about what the heck they were actually doing to make money. If it's investing then I figured I'll eventually find something on this board I can throw some spare isk'ies at one day.
The other thing that made me go "hmmmm" was the interest rate. 5% a week sounds like an awful lot of return. That's 20% a month if my admittedly poor math skills are accurate. The only thing that I've see return at such a rate would be the MasCrem 'not a scam'.
So you've got flashy website, lots of key phrases, no real business plan, and a high interest rate. I'm admittedly new to investing, but something just doesn't seem quite right with this.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kneebone
I also like to point out that a Goon giving advice and opinions on scams still makes me laugh, even if it is a Goon that is respectable.
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
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Romulus IXI
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:57:00 -
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This is a really tough issue with this game. If Phaser Inc. explains their business plan, someone else will do it with 5.5% interest and kill the plan. But I do agree that if Phaser Inc. wants to succeed, they must put up hard facts that can be verified by another, well notarized organization. Also hard to do.
I don't have nearly enough isk to warrant investing but was interested by the forum post and the responses.
If it's a scam, so be it and all the people who fall for it are screwed.
But if it's real, the people who extend their trust will surely profit.
Trust and respect are the most important asset is Eve and dreadfully hard to accrue. Best of luck Phaser Inc.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.16 23:22:00 -
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honestly surprised no one did a dummy account yet
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Seven Sins
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Posted - 2011.02.16 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Seven Sins on 16/02/2011 23:30:09
I have recently invested a small amount to Phaser inc after having a nice chat with Mordor Exuel. If they are scammers then they are the best I have ever seen. From chatting with Mordor Exuel he came across as polite, honest and genuine. Not once did he come across as being pushy or trying to give a feel of a 'time limited' investment like all other scammers do. Hell I even waited 2 days after chatting to him to transfer my isk. Not once did he convo me or badger me to find out where it was.
Those that think attacking them with symantics, or picking holes in their gramatical structures.. gave me the best giggles while reading your posts. Take a step back, see how silly you are and then ask them constructive questions.
I believe in what they have to offer.
Good luck guys!
Sev
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.17 00:05:00 -
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My main concern would be the scalability of the matter. It gets exponentially harder to make isk the higher you go. What happens when they have 100 accounts for 1 billion? or a thousand?
It also has the potential to be the most epic, low effort scam ever. Put site together, set up spam bot, profit!
So who knows.
What's wrong with advertising in hubs? That a lot of messages in hubs are scams does not mean they all are.
I can see why he wouldn't advertise here though.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
I can see why he wouldn't advertise here though.
Yea. Me too. People might actually call him out on his horrible business plan, and laugh as he tried to collect "smart money".
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.17 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Kneebone
I also like to point out that a Goon giving advice and opinions on scams still makes me laugh, even if it is a Goon that is respectable.
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Kalrand
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
The flaw in your argument is that you completely missed my point.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Kalrand
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
The flaw in your argument is that you completely missed my point.
It takes a scammer to spot a scammer! That being said it is 20Mil invested, hardly a bank breaker.
I also spoke with M and he seems a good cat, my "pirate scamming" sense didn't go off and I've had those for 2+ years and has served me well.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.17 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kneebone
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Kalrand
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
The flaw in your argument is that you completely missed my point.
It takes a scammer to spot a scammer! That being said it is 20Mil invested, hardly a bank breaker.
I also spoke with M and he seems a good cat, my "pirate scamming" sense didn't go off and I've had those for 2+ years and has served me well.
The flaw in that logic is that with only 20million isk invested he's not going to scam you, it's not worth the possible reputation bust compared with potentially getting you to invest more later. "Testing the waters" with a small amount of isk into something to see if it is a scam does not work if the scammer intends to continue pulling in more isk later, especially when he knows up front that your amount is a test.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
The Mighty 13th
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:05:00 -
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Soooo, it's a scam. But it's not a scam, until it IS a scam?
Just want to make sure I understand.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
Soooo, it's a scam. But it's not a scam, until it IS a scam?
Just want to make sure I understand.
Someone offering you 20%/month, advertising in local in market hubs, and claiming to do what the people around here who "know a thing or two" say isn't going to work does not bode well for their long term prospects.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
The flaw in that logic is that with only 20million isk invested he's not going to scam you, it's not worth the possible reputation bust compared with potentially getting you to invest more later. "Testing the waters" with a small amount of isk into something to see if it is a scam does not work if the scammer intends to continue pulling in more isk later, especially when he knows up front that your amount is a test.
It covers some of my taxes and broker fees for the week. Even a lot of small amounts add up in the long run.
It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:36:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Kneebone
Originally by: Caldariftw123
The flaw in that logic is that with only 20million isk invested he's not going to scam you, it's not worth the possible reputation bust compared with potentially getting you to invest more later. "Testing the waters" with a small amount of isk into something to see if it is a scam does not work if the scammer intends to continue pulling in more isk later, especially when he knows up front that your amount is a test.
It covers some of my taxes and broker fees for the week. Even a lot of small amounts add up in the long run.
Yeah that's fine, just saying as a test of his integrity it is meaningless .. but as a couple million isk now and then fine, that's nice and adds up I guess.
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carmo pereira
the muppets
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.02.17 15:10:00 -
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some questions:
1. what's the total ammount that you like to use? 5b, 10, 15b?
2. are you making week previews? is there a estimated % for current week, or not? (like a weekly goal). saying 5%fixed is not enough.
3. how you do the splits? according to the percentage of each one in the total "cake"?
4. is there a grace period for the new investors? like one week or something?
fyi i've set up a investment concept like this in the past. and if you don't make strict rules for others and for yourself, this is going to be a fail concept, not a "new investment concept".
you need to inform whats your idea thru the forum, not thru the webpage. that's one of the mainly principles of MD. "everything posted, everyone informed"
best regards.
carmo
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Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted, and the problem is I do not know which half
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.18 13:08:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 18/02/2011 13:15:41
Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 18/02/2011 13:08:49
Originally by: carmo pereira
1. what's the total ammount that you like to use? 5b, 10, 15b?
Im not 100% sure what you ask here. I think you mean the total amount of all investments together.
The answer is that we don't have a fixed amount defined. It depends on the number of traders in our corporations. If we expand our traders, we expand our trade budget and allow more and larger investments.
Originally by: carmo pereira
2. are you making week previews? is there a estimated % for current week, or not? (like a weekly goal). saying 5%fixed is not enough.
We do make week previews. Every week we balance all the results of the past week and set our goals for the coming weeks. The week after we review wether we reached our goals or not. We also update again our goals/targets for the next two/three weeks.
5% fixed interest is the interest we pay to our investors, always, every week. Therefor, of course, 5% wont be enough to keep phaser running. Simply because Phaser was designed to make profit. If we would have 5% profit on our trade activities, Phaser Inc would be pointless. We would only work for our investors, and wouldnt get any profit ourselves.
Originally by: carmo pereira
3. how you do the splits? according to the percentage of each one in the total "cake"?
Quite simple. Every one gets 5% interest, and if trading seems to go well we give a small extra percentage. There is no cake to be split. In your online account is visible the total balance of your investment with Phaser Inc. Interest is calculated on that balance.
Originally by: carmo pereira
4. is there a grace period for the new investors? like one week or something?
Grace period can be explained in multiple ways, im not sure which one you mean. But new investors will get interest from the day they start to invest. If that happens to be in the middle of a week, we calculate the interest percentage pro rata based on the days left in that week. On Monday, it will be set at 5%. An investor can withdraw his ISK at any point of time. If an investor wants his ISK back in the middle of a week, there is no interest that specific week. Withdrawal requests are not limited by any means, and will be processed within 24 hours.
This MD isnt started by Phaser Inc, so thats why there isnt a decent first post with all information.
En about the possibility of failing, we are very aware of that. The most most crucial thing whe worked on before we started was our Risk Assesment. We looked at this in a lot of ways. Risk of being scammed by traders who work for us, risk of bad trading weeks combined with very large withdrawals, risks of being attacked when flying a jump freighter, and getting wardecs etc etc.
We took measures to reduce those risks and we believe we are in good shape at the moment. Of course our risk profile is under constant monitoring. If anyone is interested in the measures taken I can describe them briefly later.
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Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.02.18 13:41:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
If anyone is interested in the measures taken I can describe them briefly later.
I guess this would be a good idea for at least two reasons: MD can see that you really put some measures in place (and spent some time thinking about possible problems/risks) and someone might spot out a hole in your security scenario which you are currently not aware of.
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EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.22 21:35:00 -
[51]
First weeks' payout reiceved as stated.
It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Khanid Voltar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:39:00 -
[52]
Have invested 1B, will report back to MD on how it goes.
Its a bit of a gamble, but 1B is hardly a lot of isk these days and it will be interesting to see how it goes.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:42:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Khanid Voltar
Have invested 1B, will report back to MD on how it goes.
Its a bit of a gamble, but 1B is hardly a lot of isk these days and it will be interesting to see how it goes.
Have you ever thought about buying KalBonds?
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Khanid Voltar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:55:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 22/02/2011 22:59:38
Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 22/02/2011 22:59:15
Originally by: Kalrand
Have you ever thought about buying KalBonds?
Why, are they a gamble too?
Just kidding, you have evemail :).
[edit.] punctuation.
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Internet White Knight
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:13:00 -
[55]
I can't believe nobody has said it yet.
"Mr Spock, set phasers to SCAM!" |
Vicious Cell
Amarr
Black Dragon Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.02 14:17:00 -
[56]
This business is legit. People need to stop hating on him so much.
However, I do suggest that the company owners set up some sort of official forum thread. It would definitely help alleviate the suspicions a little bit. |
Firid Soulbane
Kickass inc
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.08 07:55:00 -
[57]
This is all just a bit too neat.
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CaptainSyler
Minmatar
Dutch Power Boats
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Posted - 2011.03.08 10:11:00 -
[58]
i saw one of them posting in Dodixie local, so want to tried it, i gave 10mil and a week later i get 1m 430k
that is 4.3· intrest :)
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Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.08 10:12:00 -
[59]
I'm surprised no one has used the word ponzi yet. Whoever is running "phaser inc" is doing exactly the same thing Reithe did with Deison's Investment Fund. Sorry kids, if this is your first "investment" in eve you might as well kiss your money goodbye.
drunkpoasting best poasting |
Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.08 22:50:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 08/03/2011 22:55:03
Originally by: CaptainSyler
i saw one of them posting in Dodixie local, so want to tried it, i gave 10mil and a week later i get 1m 430k
that is 4.3· intrest :)
I take liberty here to add one thing. This 4.3% interest, to take CaptainSyler's post as an example, is caused by the fact a deposit(initial or additional) is done somewhere in the middle of the week.
In those cases we decide not to reserve the amount and wait to pay interest when a full week is completed. We recalculate the interest pro rato the days left in that week.
Im sure CaptainSyler didnt mean to complain about us or whatever, but still I felt Id better explain it before someone misunderstands the investment concept.
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Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.09 00:35:00 -
[61]
This seems like a really good investment for someone who knows they won't have an active subscription for a while.
I'm considering it...
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Mella Elcus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 02:27:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Mella Elcus on 09/03/2011 02:33:45
A minimum of 20% interest per month you say? More than any other IPO/bond currently (perhaps even ever?) out there?
Sorry for pointing out the obvious, but this is either a charity or a scam...
Originally by: Companion Qube
I'm surprised no one has used the word ponzi yet. Whoever is running "phaser inc" is doing exactly the same thing Reithe did with Deison's Investment Fund. Sorry kids, if this is your first "investment" in eve you might as well kiss your money goodbye.
Exactly. Give people a pretty website, let them actually "see" their iskies grow.
For some reason it works every time...
Edit: On second thought I take it all back, with all the work you've put into this scam since early january you've definately earned all isk you can get your hands on.
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Iznu Vega
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:08:00 -
[63]
If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion.
I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:53:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Iznu Vega
If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion.
I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.14 18:07:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Iznu Vega
If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion.
I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
consequently you can argue that anyone that invests in bonds or un-collateralized "loans" are dumb as well.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.14 18:14:00 -
[66]
Originally by: egola
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Iznu Vega
If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion.
I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
consequently you can argue that anyone that invests in bonds or un-collateralized "loans" are dumb as well.
That's a leap of logic right there as some bonds/loans are more obviously stupid scams than others. Some people made a lot of isk investing in MD, what they did not do however is put money into things like "Phaser Inc." The part that makes Iznu dumb is that, despite the obvious flaws in this 'business' and the number of questions raised by people in the thread, he put isk in anyway "to see whether it is a scam or not" you cannot test someone's honesty by giving them and telling them you are testing them, it's utter nonsense. ;D
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Iznu Vega
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:18:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: egola
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Iznu Vega
If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion.
I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
consequently you can argue that anyone that invests in bonds or un-collateralized "loans" are dumb as well.
That's a leap of logic right there as some bonds/loans are more obviously stupid scams than others. Some people made a lot of isk investing in MD, what they did not do however is put money into things like "Phaser Inc." The part that makes Iznu dumb is that, despite the obvious flaws in this 'business' and the number of questions raised by people in the thread, he put isk in anyway "to see whether it is a scam or not" you cannot test someone's honesty by giving them and telling them you are testing them, it's utter nonsense. ;D
You need to relax.. i dont care if this is a scam or not, you have no reason to either.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:29:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Caldariftw123
...
Is it me or do you like to call scam on every thread out there, except those started by a very select few people? It is also my expirence that this MD forum is NOT the only place out there to look for investments and that very few of the Eve population actually frequent these forums.
Anywho what I can tell you is that after my initial investment I was paid on time as promised every week. I upped my investment to 100Mil and got my properly adjusted payout today.
It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:46:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kneebone
Originally by: Caldariftw123
...
Is it me or do you like to call scam on every thread out there, except those started by a very select few people?
It's you.
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Christinia
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Posted - 2011.03.17 02:39:00 -
[70]
I have invested a 170m into Phaser Inc. atm, pocket change really, but with time they will grow, we will see how long this last.
i will try to make a weekly update on progession, my investment account is running on reinvest so rather of getting a small payout every week, ill allow the money to grow more and more, if i get scammed, so be it, they made a effort out of the website, but it would be a first then for me , to get scammed that is, i have never done late night / drunk nights trading or any of the sorts, can be an expensive business in eve :).
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2011.03.17 03:00:00 -
[71]
..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
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Christinia
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:03:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
Don't know their investment method and frankly i couldnt care less, its a small time investment im making.
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Chippin
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Posted - 2011.03.17 06:49:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Christinia
Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
Don't know their investment method and frankly i couldnt care less, its a small time investment im making.
Ah well, you know what they say about Ponzis--make sure you get in at the ground floor.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.03.19 20:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Why so negative? They setup their thing, they are already running it (so it's too late), they are not bothering anyone.
Just quoting. Don't mind me. . .
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Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.20 11:37:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Chippin
Originally by: Christinia
Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
Don't know their investment method and frankly i couldnt care less, its a small time investment im making.
Ah well, you know what they say about Ponzis--make sure you get in at the ground floor.
And get out on the ground floor too, while they're still building their rep and they need to pay you back.
Here's a bit of fun during DT, these people are either friends or alts of Eddie:
smacks
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1484350&page=1#1
Gnulpie
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=1#17
Kneebone
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=1#27
??
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#51
testimonial bump
Romulus IXI
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#35
Seven Sins
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#37
Vicious Cell
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#56
positive fluff bump
CaptainSyler
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#58
testimonial bump
Corina's Bodyguard
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#61
positive "fluff"/testimonial bump
Iznu Vega
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#67
friend, or main's alt - white knighting vs. "those trolls"
Kneebone
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#68
another white knight/alt/friend posting vs. "those trolls"
Christinia
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#70
testimonial
I'm not motivated enough to play intarwebz detective and troll through their post histories at eve-search, but you'll probably be able to cluster the majority of those and find some further common affiliations.
Assume that all fluff bumps and white knight posts are alts or friends (or friends' alts) and you're well on your way to figuring out who's associated with Eddie Lampert. Have fun.
drunkpoasting best poasting |
Casanunda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.20 12:04:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Casanunda on 20/03/2011 12:11:37
I took a minor risk and invested 50 million with Phaser on the reinvest option, so far the balance on my account appears to add up. The only real way to tell if it's a scam or not is when I decide to withdraw my investment, which won't be for some time yet as I'm letting the balance ride until the overall payout or the weekly 5% becomes a worthwhile sum.
If it is a scam I get burnt, if it's not then I made a wise investment.
Either way it's only spaceship credits.
If you think it's a scam, my advice is don't invest. If you're willing to take a risk, and lets face it any investment is a risk especially with the amount of scams "trusted" MD members pull off, then it's entirely your choice as to what you risk your isk on.
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Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.20 12:56:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Casanunda
Edited by: Casanunda on 20/03/2011 12:11:37
I took a minor risk and invested 50 million with Phaser on the reinvest option, so far the balance on my account appears to add up. The only real way to tell if it's a scam or not is when I decide to withdraw my investment, which won't be for some time yet as I'm letting the balance ride until the overall payout or the weekly 5% becomes a worthwhile sum.
If it is a scam I get burnt, if it's not then I made a wise investment.
Either way it's only spaceship credits.
If you think it's a scam, my advice is don't invest. If you're willing to take a risk, and lets face it any investment is a risk especially with the amount of scams "trusted" MD members pull off, then it's entirely your choice as to what you risk your isk on.
Sup phaser alt?
drunkpoasting best poasting |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:04:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
non-finger-through toilet paper
When I tell people I learned English thru the forums, some don't believe [it]. Yet, even today, an EvE player teached me a new "everyday life" bit that are so hard to find on [in] dictionaries.
Obviously you still fail at distinguishing between singular and plural verbs, amongst other things. Do keep trying though, little buddy!
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Casanunda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:33:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Casanunda on 20/03/2011 13:34:00
Phaser Alt?, nope don't think so, didn't have any dealings with Phaser until about 4 weeks ago, and I hardly think the fact that I have an investment with them makes me an alt. In fact if you look me up ingame I've been playing for just under 2 years, so not exactly a recently created alt either.
Like I said, if I get burned I get burned, 50 mill is hardly a sizeable amount of isk to lose.
This character has hardly any forum postings which may seem a little suspect, I mainly post on my trading alt
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:40:00 -
[80]
SG-1 Season 10 Episode 12 - Line in the sand.
Black Sun Empire |
Iznu Vega
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:05:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Companion Qube
Iznu Vega
friend, or main's alt - white knighting vs. "those trolls"
only post on eve-o
Posting to confirm that Companion Qube is pulling information out his arse.
As a follow-up on my previous post, I am convinced that Phaser inc is a scam/ponzi. That is however my own personal conclusion, i have no proof.
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the xinc
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Posted - 2011.03.21 06:06:00 -
[82]
Edited by: the xinc on 21/03/2011 06:06:35
great service :)
http://iforce.co.nz/i/u0jouo04.on1.png
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Lulu Jinsa
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Posted - 2011.03.30 01:53:00 -
[83]
So you invest say 20 mil and get burned. No big deal. Go kill a couple of rats and your positive again. It is a fun experiment and just another facet of why I like this game so much. If you are a muture player in Eve, you know to spread your risk across several revenue streams. "Don't put all your eggs in one basket". It will be fun and entertaining to see how long these guys last doing this before they get tired of crunching numbers or tired of answering the hate mail. Good Luck to All!
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Charles Dalbert
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Posted - 2011.03.30 07:35:00 -
[84]
It's clearly a Ponzi scheme.
The way this works is to run for a few months, pay out perhaps 30% of the total invested in dividends to reassure folks it's legit, and then walk off with the remaining 70% of capital (remember each week more and more gullible fools will invest)
This is all perfectly legal within the rules of Eve - and there is no banking protection legislation within Eve...
Don't beleive me? Think about how it could work legally. Phaserinc doesn't offer loans. You can play the Market in Eve and make 5% per week, but it's hard work. Why should they work legitimately for 'ship credits' when a Ponzi scheme is much simpler to run and much more lucrative?
Not quite ship credits either. A 1.8bn Isk investment in Phaserinc would pay sufficient interest monthly to buy a Plex - ie make Eve free to play. Sounds attractive until you realise that's Ç180 in real money, and you're almost certain to lose it within another 8-12 weeks.
'if it's too good top be true, then it isn't true". Caveat emptor.
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Charles Dalbert
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Posted - 2011.03.30 07:55:00 -
[85]
Also been done before, in 2006
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=381421
Probably waiting till they've got over a trillion Isk invested before they cash in this time ... Last time the take was only 700billion, prompting all kinds of interested speculation about whether the scanners should pay real world taxes...
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Charles Dalbert
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Posted - 2011.03.30 08:39:00 -
[86]
Apologies - miscalculated above. 1.8th Isk is more like Ç60. Nevertheless.
1 trillion would still be over Ç30000...
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Electus Ereptor
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:45:00 -
[87]
I am at a loss. I mean I knew people were stupid, but people in here are actually giving this guy money? Take it from me, this is a scam.
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Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:47:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Companion Qube
.
Wow, I feel really special! You listed me twice! Speculation and Ignorance tend to go hand is hand.
Simple fact is I saw it, decided to invest a bit, got my ISK as promised, invested a bit more, still getting my ISK.
It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.30 17:07:00 -
[89]
Edited by: egola on 30/03/2011 17:07:55
the lack of sarcasm from the acusee's really DOES make you think they're alts. time to invest to confirm the running suspicion that they're all MY ALTS
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Lola LaTrailera
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:25:00 -
[90]
As someone mentioned.
Just be sure to get in early,
1. Deposit cash
2. Wait for first 5% payment
3. Withdraw everything
4. ?
5. Profit
This is still new so they need to keep up appearances before the ponzi bubble bursts
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Lando Antilles
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Posted - 2011.04.02 20:20:00 -
[91]
Speaking of Ponzi's...
Has anyone yet started an official Ponzi? Would such a business model we welcomed or derided by the community?
Assuming that it was clear to be a Ponzi from the beginning (acknowledged as such by the creators), how many generations of clients do you think would partake?
food for thought.
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My *locked* EVE CV |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.02 20:40:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Lando Antilles
Has anyone yet started an official Ponzi? Would such a business model we welcomed or derided by the community? Assuming that it was clear to be a Ponzi from the beginning (acknowledged as such by the creators), how many generations of clients do you think would partake?
Already been done. When the api first came out some guy ran an official Ponzi game site. People kept depositing and withdrawing (+interest) until the pot went empty. Then the game started anew.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:27:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Lando Antilles
Has anyone yet started an official Ponzi? Would such a business model we welcomed or derided by the community? Assuming that it was clear to be a Ponzi from the beginning (acknowledged as such by the creators), how many generations of clients do you think would partake?
Already been done. When the api first came out some guy ran an official Ponzi game site. People kept depositing and withdrawing (+interest) until the pot went empty. Then the game started anew.
I think that one was called EBANK
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:34:00 -
[94]
I'm one of the happy customers.
Deposited 100 Million ISK and yet have
to become disappointed.
I once even got more than 5%,
just as they stated.
To be honest, i believe this kind of scam will take at least
half a year to a year ... that's why i'm partaking.
Given 100 Mill at 20%/week i get 5 Mill a week,
which means it takes 20 Weeks until ROI.
Works for me.
It really doesn't matter if it's a scam ...
... as long as you get out soon enough. ^^
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00Payton00
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Posted - 2011.04.16 07:28:00 -
[95]
The Idea makes sense, if you think about the EVE Market. The market is full of junk, and yes prices do fluctuate on that junk, but there is always a crapload of just random junk to buy and sell. Making 5-10% is probably less than average for an average joe in his freighter. Imagine if your funds to buy and sell were, well Infinite.
Combine this with an honest Guy and you have lots of free Plex, and lots of lost RL dollars for CCP. If he is an honest guy, I think CCP would have to figure a way to squash it.
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.04.16 09:25:00 -
[96]
Originally by: 00Payton00
Combine this with an honest Guy and you have lots of free Plex, and lots of lost RL dollars for CCP. If he is an honest guy, I think CCP would have to figure a way to squash it.
I think you are missing the point that in order for player A to buy a plex on the market, Player B has to have put it on the market for sale.
CCP lose zero RL dollars on the deal, as 2 plex have already been purchased via a GTC. If anything CCP actually gains from plex as there is an excess amount of unused Plex on the market at any one time; ergo plex = subscription paid up front. And unless they decide to withdraw Plex at some point in the future they will always be ahead.
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Liosa Rearl
Caldari
The Lost Legion
Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:09:00 -
[97]
I came across the advert while moving ****e on my alt.
I'm going to throw them 100 mil as soon as Eddie actually picks up my invite to convo so I can ask some personal questions T_T. I've been playing 4 years out haven't been scammed yet. And it doesn't smell like a scam.
So if i lose 100 mil? huh wassat? 1 hour of semi afk work? Heh, if you're too poor don't invest kids. If you spent more time playing instead of whining here, you'd make more isk to spend on whims like this. Only thing I'm worried about is that they limit the amount of people joining.
Cheers
Liosa Rearl
"If you can't accept the fact that you're going to get shafted, quit the bloody game." |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:16:00 -
[98]
Why did Led remove all of his messages from this thread? Kinda pointless given that its all saved on eve-search.com
Investor Relation | IPO Doc | BSAC SE Listing |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:47:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Brock Nelson
Why did Led remove all of his messages from this thread? Kinda pointless given that its all saved on eve-search.com
I pointed out the same thing to him here. It seems for a day or so he got all emoraged out and starting nuking his own posts. Ironically he stopped doing it and went back to posting like nothing happened. I guess it is a good day when you get back on your meds. 
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:53:00 -
[100]
WTB Led's bond/ipo or whatever scam he's coming out with
Investor Relation | IPO Doc | BSAC SE Listing |
Angus McSpork
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.23 06:25:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Angus McSpork on 23/04/2011 06:28:46
You know, I was gonna repost every reply Lederhosen or whatever posted in this thread until I realized I just didn't care..
If you *really* care have a read here: http://eve-search.com/thread/1449102
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.04.23 10:03:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Brock Nelson
Why did Led remove all of his messages from this thread? Kinda pointless given that its all saved on eve-search.com
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1494032&page=1#6 |
Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.04.23 10:17:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
It seems for a day or so he got all emoraged out and starting nuking his own posts.
It's a gesture.
As is the fact that I did delete my bugreports, too.
I smile at bugs on a daily base now.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:56:00 -
[104]
See what you did Brock? You spoke his name and now his mouth has fallen open and does not appear to be shutting any time soon.
/joke
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.04.24 04:14:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
now his mouth has fallen open and does not appear to be shutting any time soon.
Like in pointing out avatar similarities and communication errors over and over again? *yawn*
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Anadonte
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Posted - 2011.04.25 02:33:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Amdor Renevat
I saw the phaserinc add yesterday and gave it a read.
Really nice website, chocked full of buzzwords and synergy. However nowhere did I see anything that talked about what the heck they were actually doing to make money. If it's investing then I figured I'll eventually find something on this board I can throw some spare isk'ies at one day.
The other thing that made me go "hmmmm" was the interest rate. 5% a week sounds like an awful lot of return. That's 20% a month if my admittedly poor math skills are accurate. The only thing that I've see return at such a rate would be the MasCrem 'not a scam'.
You can actually compound the interest too according to them, so it's 1+r^n for the equation. (R is the rate of return-5% or .05, and n is the number of periods, or weeks, your willing to invest in it and continue the investment.) Do the math, 1.05^52(to get annual rate), an you end up ith a 12.642808 return on investment, or 1,264.281% annually. With no direct implications as to HOW they generate said income, I call scam right there. Daytrading in real life or not, I find it difficult to believe a 1300% return solid, without any risk to the investors.
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Vera Zela
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Posted - 2011.05.04 00:56:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Vera Zela on 04/05/2011 01:06:00
So yeah, check it out, instead of just speculating, I actually decided to research it. I did in-game links of many of those people who gave testimonies. Many of them had moved around to multiple corps, had bios, alliances, no connections between their corps/alliances, etc etc. Either this is a scam involving people from multiple corps and alliances, stretching all across EVE, or those guys are really thorough about making their dummy toons appear real. I suppose with the amount of money involved, I could see that being worth the effort, but who knows. I even started adding their testimonial people to my watchlist. The 3rd one I added was online. I sent him a convo and he responded. Said he was making about 50-60 mil off them a week. He appeared legit. I tipped him 20mil for taking the time to answer my questions, and I'm now going to try out the initial investment. I'll post again if it works out. My in game name is Vik Flagge, if anyone wants to check me out and see if I'm for real. Feel free to convo me. Peace, fly safe, and do your research before you discount something completely as a scam. Or keep your investment to a minimum and take a chance.
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Vera Zela
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:02:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Vera Zela on 04/05/2011 01:06:22
Wrong character, this was an alt on my other account, but Vik Flagge is still the name. Woops.
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Vera Zela
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Posted - 2011.05.10 00:01:00 -
[109]
Check this out. Phaser Inc could be legit, or it could be one of these.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
It's definitely not a straight "Gimme your isk" scam. They give you back the interest from your initial investment. Check the link, but basically, they take the money from the newest investors and give it to the first investors, then give the 3rd investor's money to the second investor and so on and so on. It eventually collapses for the most part, but for the first guy to fall for it, if he pulls out soon enough, he makes bank. If this is a ponzi scheme, your best bet is to go big and get out quick. 1 billion invested, you'd make 100mil in 2 weeks. Pull your cash, and you've got a quick 100mil. If you keep that 100mil in, and the scheme collapses, you don't lose. You risk more money at one time, but trying to go small to test the waters plays into the scheme's mechanics. Most people do that, test the waters, so the scheme can bloat without collapsing from its own wait. And they don't catch wind. The fact that Phaser Inc claims their goal of controlled growth is actually very clever. It could be the truth, or it could be that they don't want an investor to throw 10 billion in, drying up their accumulated growth, and then pulling out when he's made 1 billion in 2 weeks. They reserve the right to send large amounts back if they don't have the growth to cover it. This could be because they can't trade fast enough to cover massive investments like that, or it could be because they don't want the ponzi to collapse.
One thing that actually leads me to lean more towards ponzi is the fact that they don't take employees. They claim to want controlled growth so they can trade fast enough to cover their investors interest. But if they have only 5 traders, there's a certain point where they max out their buy orders and can only trade so much. If they don't take new employees to work their markets, they can't grow anymore. But if they do a slow growth policy with a ponzi scheme, it can continue to grow as long as they have enough room on their spreadsheets. Lol.
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rsol
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:40:00 -
[110]
I'd like to drop my opinion into the hat.
Ive had a few friends recommend phaser to me. so far i have had no problems with Phaser so far. ive invested for several weeks now.
I also have shares in evebank. I understand when crap happens. My advice to anyone investing in anything.
Dont expect anything from unregulated people. The eve bank liquidation showed me just how trustworthy some people can be. at any point those guys could of cut and run. 1.5 years later they are shoving cash back into my account. not alot but thats what happens when it goes WRONG!. So far Im happy with phaser. I would recommend an investment to anyone with spare cash. dont ever bet your life here.
To those people scared to invest. you could probably make more from your money by doing it yourself. 5% profit can be achieved easy enough. just takes a bit of thought. if you are not sure. stick 20mill in and watch 1mill come back to you weekly. If it doesnt please post as soon as possible.
If you have not invested in Phaser.. your comments are baseless whether correct or not. just screaming PONZI every time you see a corp do something big without even bothering to try it out, you are just ****ing in the wind.
I will be the first to call scam IF i am indeed scammed. I didnt call it at evebank (as it was bad apples) and i have no need or evidence to call scam here.
keep up the good steady work guys. id be happy to see you as an institution.
if you would like to add a few 100mill to my account for being so nice all the better:)
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Jacasta Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 -
[111]
I have both a personal and corporate account with Phaser Inc and have had all of this year. One is a re-invest and the other a payout account. I have been paid out every week without fail and been able to make changes to my re-invest account quickly and without trouble.
I was at first concerned that perhaps Phaser Inc was an elaborate scam however I have been pleasently suprised. I also intend to increase my investment.
I appreciate that doubt will easily exist however I see no reason for some of the comments suggesting certainty of fraud. I am more than happy to offer a personal testimony in game to anyone who wishes and wish Phaser inc continued success.
Ms Khan
CEO - Boundless Solutions
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Moudy
CommunityGamer
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:04:00 -
[112]
I invested about 630 million ISK for a few weeks and was able to get back 765 million within 24 hours of my request to cash out my account for an emergency.
I trust these guys
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Kal Rensic
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Posted - 2011.07.14 06:07:00 -
[113]
I've been invested with Phaser for four months now. Like many I thought for sure it was a scam, but the generally good reviews caused me to sink a little in. That little has since grown to 2.5B, with regular payouts which three times went above the promised 5%. I can buy PLEX by sitting on my butt and doing nothing now.
In these four months, I've received 1.6B in payments. At the current rate, I will have been paid-out my investment in seven weeks (Aug 22 2011) so even if Phaser did run away with all of my investment at that point, I lose nothing and likely gained a little. Heck, if they cut and run on me today I'm only out 900M. I like these guys, I trust these guys, and I'll go on record saying so.
And for you "internet detectives" I'll save you the time on your WHOIS skillz. I live near Chicago and don't give one crap if you think I'm still somehow an alt for a EU player.
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Jita Tradedrone
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Posted - 2011.07.14 11:20:00 -
[114]
If this is a scam, its the best there ever was, already got more payed out than my original investment. So i am past caring if its a scam or not.
Just as with everything in eve, eventually it will collapse and all isk sill in it will be lost. But why not enjoy the ride while it lasts.
As said, i will be laughing all the way from now on :)
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TitanEndGame
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Posted - 2011.07.23 03:27:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website.
This statement is false. A simple addition like this:
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website without their permission.
Would make it a true statement.
It's semantics really. The site does mention investor names in the public section of the site.
If you work under the assumption that they really are investors and not alts or in on the scam *
So....
Londo...
What was the date/time of your last Anal Probe?
Do you wear a Tin-Foil hat as well?
Go play your game...
Let others play theirs as they see fit...
I have an Acct. with Phaser Inc.and have not been dissapointed yet.
Apparently, not everyone wanting to run a buisness where both Investors AND the Operators profit, is as guilty as you so obviously imply...
I will not be watching this topic further, so your Trolling Response will not be seen or replied to by me...or anyone i know... Go Troll your mother. Leave the rest of us alone.
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El 1974
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Posted - 2011.07.27 15:46:00 -
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First of all I think it's possible to run such a business legitimately. I almost asked for a loan against similar intrest so I could finance my trading, but instead decided to be patient and make my fortune with my own isk. I now have sufficient money to invest in these kind of ventures. But I'll let this deal pass.
Both characters have 0.0 standing with Concord. They clearly haven't been missioning. That's suspicious to me because standings reduce the brokers fees you have to pay. It looks like they are not very good traders or even scammers.
A good trader only needs to borrow money once and pays off his loan a few weeks later so he can focus on what he's good at.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.27 15:54:00 -
[117]
I like how every now and then a small platoon of alts come in and quotes themselves saying how legit it is, or how they got money out.
Not very well orchestrated and sort-of a dead giveaway, but comical nonetheless.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.07.27 17:23:00 -
[118]
Not everyone bothers with standing. Sure it can help. But it can also be an unmitigated pain in the rear end and if your profit margins are high enough then losing 1%-2% isn't a bad tradeoff.
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Leitharos Rosselem
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Posted - 2011.08.12 15:47:00 -
[119]
Scam.
But a great one.
For those that threw **** hoping it would stick: a trillion isn't bad for the 8 months up and running. Either you all underestimate the stupidity of the average player or you can't just give credit where credit is due.
.. *hats off*
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Kira Vanachura
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Posted - 2011.08.12 16:28:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Kira Vanachura on 12/08/2011 16:29:12
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/08/12/one-of-the-biggest-scam-in-eve-history-ponzi-scheme-empties-over-1-trillion-isk-from-players-wallets/
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