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character swap
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Posted - 2011.01.19 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: character swap on 19/01/2011 00:51:31 I would like to know how dangerous it really is to fly my hulk out to .04 and hit those juicy belts.
How much of a risk is there?
What do I need to know? I mean obviously I need to be aligned to a safe spot and watching local but anything else?
Suggestions for fitting and any tips would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not really that worried about solo pirates and the like as my tank is fairly good but things like gate camps and small to medium groups concern me a bit. How much time do I actually have in .04 before Concord comes and saves my ass?
I know nothing about low sec. Is it even possible to kill people at gates in .4?
Forgive me for being such a newb and be gentle with me please :)
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.19 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: character swap How much time do I actually have in .04 before Concord comes and saves my ass?
Until the end of the universe. There is no CONCORD in >0.5 systems. Therefore, don't go there to mine at all, as it's a terrible idea and you will die quickly and often without significant support.
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Gianath
Gallente Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
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Posted - 2011.01.19 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: character swap Edited by: character swap on 19/01/2011 00:51:31 How much of a risk is there?
Alone? I would say you run a 100% chance of losing your ship, with the length of time depending on how much traffic is in the system. Probably before you can fill your cargo hold though.
Quote: What do I need to know? I mean obviously I need to be aligned to a safe spot and watching local but anything else?
Anybody who notices a lone hulk in low sec will either kill you themselves, or call in their friends to help. Having a few drones and lots of EHP won't help, it will just delay the inevitable.
Quote: Suggestions for fitting and any tips would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not really that worried about solo pirates and the like as my tank is fairly good but things like gate camps and small to medium groups concern me a bit. How much time do I actually have in .04 before Concord comes and saves my ass?
I know nothing about low sec. Is it even possible to kill people at gates in .4?
Concord won't help you below .5, so you are on your own. Gate/station guns may assist you when you are close to a gate or stations, but chances are good your attackers will kill you anyway.
My advice is to join a corp that can support you there. You are guaranteed to waste your mining ships otherwise.
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character swap
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Posted - 2011.01.19 01:34:00 -
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Thanks guys. Obviously I still have a lot to learn.
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Calfis
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.19 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: character swap Edited by: character swap on 19/01/2011 00:51:31 I would like to know how dangerous it really is to fly my hulk out to .04 and hit those juicy belts.
I will kill you.
Originally by: character swap
I'm not really that worried about solo pirates and the like as my tank is fairly good
Not in 0.4 its not
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Vak Keelin
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Posted - 2011.01.19 04:51:00 -
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If you are going to mine alone in low sec use a cheap ship and hope you can mine enough to make it worth while before you go boom. Never, never take a barge there without a large amount of support
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Kahega Amielden
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.01.19 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 19/01/2011 05:24:42
If you want to mine in lowsec,
a) Train up your probing skills. Normal lowsec belt ores aren't worth much and make you a huge target. 0.0 ores that can be found in lowsec gravimetric sites, however, are worth a ****load.
b) Research the area. Don't try to mine in rancer, as that IS suicide. There are a lot of quiet, out-of-the-way lowsec pockets that see little traffic. Combine this with proper scouting and use of directional scan and you can make a huge amount of ISK compared to hisec. Part of finding a good area is staying the hell out of .4 space. Those are usually hisec/lowsec border systems which are where the pirates hang out.
c) Scout your way in. Get a friend or alt to scout you on the gates while you move about, and get the hell out if you see anyone attempting to probe you down or get near you.
d) Don't use your hulk at first. Until you get used to it, use an insured retriever or covetor.
It's worth noting that while it will require a lot of effort and forethought to make work (and likely a couple ship losses on your part), the amount of ISK you could make from mining the good ores is many times higher than what you could ever get in hisec.
Quote: If you are going to mine alone in low sec use a cheap ship and hope you can mine enough to make it worth while before you go boom. Never, never take a barge there without a large amount of support
"Go there in something cheap and pray something doesn't come after you" is the absolute worst advice I've ever heard someone give regarding lowsec, ever. Staying alive in lowsec has little to do with luck, and everything to do with how careful and prepared you are.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.01.19 11:15:00 -
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Python Cartel mined belt 3-1 of Amamake for a full 8 mins till our fleet of mining scorpions was destroyed
Granted our ECM probably ruined someone's day as he couldn't get on a km
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: character swap I would like to know how dangerous it really is to fly my hulk out to .04 and hit those juicy belts.
How much of a risk is there?
Remember this is EvE, nothing is granted therefore you should define what you mean with "danger" and "risk". I could tell you the risk is very low, for a suitable definition of risk.
There's the risk that no-one attacks you so you cannot warp disrupt him and call in your friendly fleet to kill him. But it's a very low risk: someone will generally attack you pretty soon.
There's the risk that your friendly fleet is actually stronger than the enemy fleet he's going to call in. This not as small, but still a somewhat minor risk: his fleet is generally stronger than yours.
I could go on, but you got the idea.
Yes, I know you wrote "solo". But in EvE there's a 99.99999% that when someone says "I'm alone" or even just appears to be alone, he's just trying to hide the size of the backup force he can actually field.
Originally by: character swap What do I need to know? I mean obviously I need to be aligned to a safe spot and watching local but anything else?
Suggestions for fitting and any tips would be greatly appreciated.
- be aligned - have very huge tank and jamming drones - watch local and watch the directional scanner - watch local of all neighboring systems (with alts or friends, this is called scouting)
the rest depends on why exactly you are pretending to be solo mining in lowsec.
Originally by: character swap I'm not really that worried about solo pirates and the like as my tank is fairly good but things like gate camps and small to medium groups concern me a bit.
are you kidding? If you see a solo pirate attacking you, then he IS a small to medium group. You just haven't seen the rest of the group yet. Or he's so good he regularly kills a handful of good fighting enemies (like the one he expects you to call in) with only his ship, in which case he still is a small group and you have seen it all, but you did not yet realize it.
Originally by: character swap How much time do I actually have in .04 before Concord comes and saves my ass?
Depends on what time is it. If you roleplay that concord is responsible for the daily downtime. If you do not, then it depends on how fast your friend, flying a ship he named "concord", can warp to you.
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Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.19 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: character swap I know nothing about low sec. Is it even possible to kill people at gates in .4?
Remember: it is possible to kill people anywhere in EvE except when they are docked. What changes is the consequence of killing them, not whether it's possible or not.
- Kill someone in hisec, close to a station or a gate, and the consequences are:
- those that player and his friends will provide, now and in the future
- those the station/gate sentries will provide, as long as you stay close and the timer runs
- those the NPC concord will provide, until your ship is destroyed
- a security loss
- Kill someone in hisec, far from stations and gates, and the consequences are:
- those that player and his friends will provide, now and in the future
- those station/gate sentries will provide if you manage to approach any before the timer runs out
- those the NPC concord will provide, until your ship is destroyed
- a security loss
- Kill someone in lowsec, close to a station or a gate, and the consequences are:
- those that player and his friends will provide, now and in the future
- those the station/gate sentries will provide, as long as you stay close and the timer runs
- a security loss
- Kill someone in lowsec, far from stations and gates, and the consequences are:
- those that player and his friends will provide, now and in the future
- those station/gate sentries will provide if you approach any before the timer runs out
- a security loss
- Kill someone in 0.0 (anywhere in 0.0) and the consequences are:
- those that player and his friends will provide, now and in the future
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Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.19 17:21:00 -
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Final remarks: - Never think that something being true in one case is also true in all cases. Fly to a completely different part of space and you may find that the aforementioned facts are different there. Or try to connect at a completely different hour of the day or night, and see this also makes a lot of things different. - Never trust what people are saying in EvE. Always make your own opinion and verify that what they say is correct. Only base your judgement on facts that you know and have verified yourself.
This includes what people say on the forums. This includes what has been written in this thread. This includes this post and the two above it.
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Pugzilla Black
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Pugzilla Black on 19/01/2011 21:07:27 Edited by: Pugzilla Black on 19/01/2011 21:06:43
Originally by: character swap Edited by: character swap on 19/01/2011 00:51:31 I would like to know how dangerous it really is to fly my hulk out to .04 and hit those juicy belts.
How much of a risk is there?
What do I need to know? I mean obviously I need to be aligned to a safe spot and watching local but anything else?
Suggestions for fitting and any tips would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not really that worried about solo pirates and the like as my tank is fairly good but things like gate camps and small to medium groups concern me a bit. How much time do I actually have in .04 before Concord comes and saves my ass?
I know nothing about low sec. Is it even possible to kill people at gates in .4?
Forgive me for being such a newb and be gentle with me please :)
If you like being a giant target with a "pod me" sign on your hull go for it. There is plenty of ISK to be made mining the cheap stuff in high-sec if your skills at refining are up to it. NCP pirates are no biggie in low-sec, unless you chance upon a battleship with escorts. The problem is opportunistic player pirates looking for an easy kill.
Good luck out there.
Pugz
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.01.19 23:34:00 -
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Not dangerous at all.
In fact, low sec is highly overrated. There are thousands of low sec systems and most are 100% empty.
In fact, when I need to make isk, I fly down to Aunenen, and mine there. It is a peaceful little .4 system just outside high sec, so it is easy to get into and out of.
It also has several stations, reprocessing, and clone facilities, so you can feel comfortable setting up a little base there.
If you see me in local be sure to o/
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Kahega Amielden
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.01.20 03:24:00 -
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Quote: If you like being a giant target with a "pod me" sign on your hull go for it. There is plenty of ISK to be made mining the cheap stuff in high-sec if your skills at refining are up to it.
At no point in all the time I've ever played EVE has hisec mining income ever been even decent...and right now it's lower than I can ever remember it being because of the insurance fix.
0.0 ores (That is, ores that show up in lowsec grav sites), however, give very good income.
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Luminos
Durid is 4 Fite
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Posted - 2011.01.20 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin Excellent Advice.
Technically, that's a great crash course in what lowsec is like. ______
I feel as though I could do anything. For example, stab this cheese knife into the Self-Taught Man's eye. |
Colin Naismith
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:35:00 -
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Skip null sec, join a low sec mining corp. I was in your place a few years ago, after losing a few pricey ships in low sec, I decided to join a 0.0 industry corp. They gave me free tech 1 stuff to get started, a free Covetor and mining gear. Out in null sec you mine with other people, usually getting a command boost, and your corp mates help keep a look out for trouble. But you need to be willing to help defend to space your corp holds.
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