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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:19:00 -
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So morning after. Not only am I not getting the originally quoted amounts (I now understand that suddenly our P/AP skills matter), Im getting nowhere near what the bargraph says I should be getting.
Theoretically I should be pulling close to 100k/hr. In reality, im not even keeping my 3 basic factories fed.
WTF? Some documentation on how this is supposed to work would be good. That way we can atleast determine if its us or the system that is broken. All we have now is observation and assumption, leading to petitons which are closed with "working as intended".
-O.
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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:56:00 -
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In reading back through this thread and checking my own colonies, I'm seeing the same behavior.
Specifically, although the extractor SAYS its extracting 100kunits/hr, the products window which lists the incoming materials ammount you make your route from only shows about 15k. That is the route I created to my Launchpad-Hub from which all of the rest of my routes go.
It seems we may have found the problem? You can extract minerals like mad. You just can't route them.
There must be tons of materials all over the ground around the extractor. Wish I could go pick em up.
-O.
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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:35:00 -
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OK this has to be a bug.
Heres some observed data which simply doesnt line up.
- After the program is submitted and happily chugging along. The extractor says its pulling 53218 units *this cycle* which is a 2 hour cycle. 53218/2 hrs = 26609unit/hr = 266.09m3/hr
- The route I am allowed to create from the "products" window is for 19765 units. Although, once selecting the destination facility (in this case my launchpad), I am allowed to specify the # of units in the route, the option lists X/19765, allowing me to only change the value of X. If I enter anything over 19765, the field resets to 19765. It is not clear from this window if this is a /hour value. I am assuming it is. 19765 route (/hr?) = 197.65m3/hr
- The link connecting the extractor to the launchpad shows a utilization of 98.825m3/hour. link size is 250m3/hr. 98.825 is not 197.65 and its not 266.09 (which it shouldnt allow anyhow).
So as far as I can tell, the routing mechanic is broken and we are all spewing extracted raw material all over the planets surface.
-O.
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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yorinar
Originally by: AS LordASB
if i take the currently routed number of 17317 and take that per 4 hour cycle that would be 69268 p0 production,
in which case i have magicly made 13232 units from nothing.
I'm just pulling this out of my bum but I'm guessing 17317 is a 20-minute routing cycle. 17317 x 9 = 155853 which is close to your current cycle output of 154931 (x 9 since there were 9 20-minute cycles in the 3-hours you've had it running in the cycle in your screenshots)....
that might work for her but it does not explain the significant difference between mats being produced, mats being routed, and *capacity used in the link*.
Something is still screwy here.
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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:50:00 -
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I think hes suggesting that the routing numbers are based upon a 20 minute cycle. If this is the case, then the /hr numbers (for me) would be 59295 units/hr which far exceeds what the extractor says its pulling (53218/2 hr cycle = 26609 units/hr) and even further exceeds the link capacity as that would be 592.95m3/hr crossing my little 250m3/hr link (that says its only using 98.825m3/hr).
Now that im thinking along those lines tho...
98.825m3/hr of utilization = 9882.5units/hr of mats crossing the link. Thats nowhere near either the extractor stated cycle ammount OR the extractor to launchpad route amount crossing that link.
Something is STILL not right in Denmark.
-O.
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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.20 05:23:00 -
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Heres some screenshots illustrating the brokenness of extraction and routing.
Firstly, heres a grab showing my extractor happily chugging along on a program. Note that its on a two hour cycle and that it claims to be harvesting 82015 units this cycle. Note also that in the products window which I have selected, I am able to create a route for 19339 units only. Nowhere is it said what that 19339 units translates into, but it is not an even multiple of 82015.
Between the first and second grabs, I route the 19339 units to the launchpad.
Now look at the second grab. This shows the properties of the link connecting the extractor to the launchpad, across wich the route I just created flows. Note that this is a L2 link with a max capacity of 1000m3/hr and that it is only transiting 96.695m3/hr. At the size of the non-cs crystals (0.01m3/ea), this works out to 9669.5units/hr transiting this link. This number is exactly half of the units being routed above.
My conclusion based upon this is that the route units are per cycle as their volume fits the utilization listed for the link.
What is broken here is that this extractor is supposed to be generating 82015 units this cycle, but I am only allowed to route 19339 of them, dropping the rest all over the planets surface.
Please someone from CCP chime in here and say if this is broken or if I am missing something fundamental here. As it stands, PI seems to be non functional.
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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.20 19:04:00 -
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Thx for the update. Time to stop my PI till they fix the routing. No point in depleting my hotspots for nothing.
-O.
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olsted
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Posted - 2011.01.21 15:09:00 -
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bump
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