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Rams Trouput
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.17 20:27:00 -
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What can be done about someone stealing from your jetcan? A guy canlipped me in a Iteron Mark V in a 0.9 system and blasted me.
Yes I know I can try fight to them myself. But I don't have the artillery to do it myself yet.
And how do I check the kill board to see what he hit me with?
Is it true I can only drop a secure can in 0.7 or lower systems? |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
217
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Posted - 2012.08.17 20:40:00 -
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Rams Trouput wrote:What can be done about someone stealing from your jetcan? A guy canlipped me in a Iteron Mark V in a 0.9 system and blasted me.
You don't steal the ore back and you dont get shot. You can join a larger corp and make it scarier for him to flip you (if he flips the can your whole corp can shoot him)
Rams Trouput wrote:Yes I know I can try fight to them myself. But I don't have the artillery to do it myself yet.
yes you can try, yes you will probably lose. dont jet can mine.
Rams Trouput wrote:And how do I check the kill board to see what he hit me with? under your character sheet scroll down on the left hand side and click "Combat Log." when the list on the right appears make sure you have slected "Losses" from the drop down menu at the top. Double click your loss and it will show some information about the kill.
Really though it doesn't matter, an ibis with a civilian gun probably would have killed you.
Rams Trouput wrote:Is it true I can only drop a secure can in 0.7 or lower systems? correct
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.17 20:44:00 -
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Rams Trouput wrote:What can be done about someone stealing from your jetcan? A guy canlipped me in a Iteron Mark V in a 0.9 system and blasted me.
Yes I know I can try fight to them myself. But I don't have the artillery to do it myself yet.
And how do I check the kill board to see what he hit me with?
Is it true I can only drop a secure can in 0.7 or lower systems?
If you put stuff in a jetcan, realize that anyone can steal it..... If you can't defend it, and you want that stuff, don't put your stuff in a jetcan.....
If someone can flips you, and you want it back, you can try aligning to a station/safe, hit loot all, and immediately spam warp. To enter warp, you need to be going at 75% of your max velocity and aligned to your destination. So don't steal before you meet both of these conditions, or they might tackle you before you can warp away to safety.
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Rams Trouput
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.17 20:48:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:If you put stuff in a jetcan, realize that anyone can steal it..... If you can't defend it, and you want that stuff, don't put your stuff in a jetcan.....
If someone can flips you, and you want it back, you can try aligning to a station/safe, hit loot all, and immediately spam warp. To enter warp, you need to be going at 75% of your max velocity and aligned to your destination. So don't steal before you meet both of these conditions, or they might tackle you before you can warp away to safety.
Thats what I figured, just wondering if I was missing anything
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Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:53:00 -
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When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". If you don't want anyone to take it, don't throw it away. Alternatively, fit out a Procurer for drone combat & kill the frigates that can flip you. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
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Posted - 2012.08.19 05:40:00 -
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must I rinse and repeat...don't jetcan mine in a regular belt, find a low level mission like lvl 1 and blast rats then go and mine in your mission your a lot more safer because that fat lazy fk behind the keyboard is looking for easy grief targets make that fat lazy fk work for is meal, scan hidden belts down, search your scanners for spawns that may have a belt, if you must mine in a belt mine in a procurer great tank and plenty of ore space. jetcan mining in a regular belt is like dumping and then the flies come in. |
Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.19 17:58:00 -
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I fly around in a kitted out frigate just looking for targets like yourself. I don't really want your ore. I just want to watch your ship burn. But if there is anything left of value then I will take it as a spoil of war. So if you don't want that to happen the easy solution is to not jet can mine or only fill a can to you what your hull can hold. That way you only have 2 trips to make. 1 for you cargo hold and 1 for whatever is in the can. Anymore trips than that and you will get someone like me flying along looking for the chance to ruin your day. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:49:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". . Nonsense. That only applies to an abandoned (blue) can. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:42:00 -
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Rams Trouput wrote:What can be done about someone stealing from your jetcan? A guy canlipped me in a Iteron Mark V in a 0.9 system and blasted me.
Yes I know I can try fight to them myself. But I don't have the artillery to do it myself yet.
And how do I check the kill board to see what he hit me with?
Is it true I can only drop a secure can in 0.7 or lower systems?
Anyone who flips your can is looking for a fight. If he's looking for a fight, then you might want to consider that he thinks he'll probably win. Your optimal course of action is to ignore canflippers and skill up for a Retriever as quickly as you can. A Retriever is cheap and has a huge ore bay, meaning you won't have to mine into a jet can.
You can see what he hit you with by looking at your loss report in your Combat Log (in your character sheet). Copy & paste the loss report into word or something. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:20:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff".
A good rule of thumb is to think this way every time you undock. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
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Theangryhobo
Hobo Industries Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.20 00:33:00 -
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Cameron Zero wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". A good rule of thumb is to think this way every time you undock.
I prefer to think of undocking as a challenge to the universe, sortof like yelling out in a public space that you have a million dollars in your pockets, and seeing what happens. Hobo Industries Inc is recruiting |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
139
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:05:00 -
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If it helps, think about jet-can mining as another risk/reward tradeoff.
Reward: you can completely circumvent the problem of insufficient cargo space for your ore.
Risk: The NPCs won't help you if someone takes your stuff form an unguarded container.
Bonus: If you join a PvP or general-purpose guild, people will sometimes ask you to jet-can mine with your nice short employment history in a newbie zone specifically to honey-trap the dumber griefers as an aid to natural selection. It's kinda fun to shoot fish in a barrel sometimes. |
Mallak Azaria
555
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:55:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". . Nonsense. That only applies to an abandoned (blue) can.
If something is in your cargohold, short of blowing you up no one can take what is inside it. When you eject it from your cargohold, you are throwing it away. The stuff may still belong to you according to game mechanics, but you have effectively thrown that stuff away & anyone may come along & claim it as their own.
If you don't want people stealing your stuff, don't eject it from your cargohold. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Mallak Azaria
555
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:56:00 -
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Cameron Zero wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". A good rule of thumb is to think this way every time you undock.
Pretty much. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Skeln Thargensen
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:53:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:must I rinse and repeat...don't jetcan mine in a regular belt, find a low level mission like lvl 1 and blast rats then go and mine in your mission your a lot more safer because that fat lazy fk behind the keyboard is looking for easy grief targets make that fat lazy fk work for is meal, scan hidden belts down, search your scanners for spawns that may have a belt, if you must mine in a belt mine in a procurer great tank and plenty of ore space. jetcan mining in a regular belt is like dumping and then the flies come in.
This. You also often get better ore in mission deadspace pockets than you would in the belts in 0.8-1.0 systems. It' is by far the best way to jetcan mine until you have the skill and ISK to mine belts in a barge.
One tip for this is when your jetcan is full, bookmark it and close the mission down before you return with your hauler. That way you warp right in on the can, rather than having to go through acceleration gates or travel from the warp in beacon in the deadspace pocket. the asteroids vanish when you close the mission but jetcans and wrecks don't.
Also a handy salvage tip for missions. Yeah well does your corp get free bacon? |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:52:00 -
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Theangryhobo wrote:Cameron Zero wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". A good rule of thumb is to think this way every time you undock. I prefer to think of undocking as a challenge to the universe, sortof like yelling out in a public space that you have a million dollars in your pockets, and seeing what happens.
You mean you don't already do that in Local? I must be doing something wrong... "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:05:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". . Nonsense. That only applies to an abandoned (blue) can. If something is in your cargohold, short of blowing you up no one can take what is inside it. When you eject it from your cargohold, you are throwing it away. The stuff may still belong to you according to game mechanics, but you have effectively thrown that stuff away & anyone may come along & claim it as their own. If you don't want people stealing your stuff, don't eject it from your cargohold. Nope. There are all sorts of reasons why people put stuff in jetcans and the only one that involves throwing it away is when you abandon the can.
The fact that you regard it as thrown away doesn't make it so. |
Pyhro
Sovereign Front
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:17:00 -
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I've read a lot of the information these wonderful Eve players have given you and, to be honest, I don't agree with most of it.
Firstly, despite all of the negative criticism it has gotten, jet-can mining DOES work. I do it regularly. You will make much more isk jet-can mining than filling your ore hold and taking it back and forth to a station. Follow the instructions below. Most people will disagree with my methods but it works and is much more profitable than any other form of solo mining in high-sec.
1.) Find a system that has several asteroid belts. 2.) Fit a mining barge (preferably a Covetor or Hulk, but a Procuror will do). Be sure to put Warrior IIs (or their Warrior I variants) in the drone hold. The drones will keep you safe from NPC pirates. 3.) Begin mining in any of the asteroid belts. Fill a jet can with ore. (Quick tip: Ignore Omber) 4.) When the can is full, warp back to base. (Remember to bookmark the can) 5.) Return to the can in a Mammoth. The Mammoth can carry 27k worth of cargo if it is fit properly. (Mammoth Fitting Guides are easy to find.) 6.) Rinse and repeat.
You will lose cans using this method. It's normal for this to occur. However, in the long run, this method is much more profitable.
ONE LAST IMPORTANT NOTE
When a player comes to destroy your can, DO NOT ENGAGE HIM WITH YOUR DRONES. Let him destroy your can. You will be safe. Just dock up and wait for the griefer to leave the system. Alternatively, take a break from Eve for a while and return a bit later.
You will need to be able to fly a Mammoth and Covetor for this to work. Consider these two ships to be short-term goals for you.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me in-game. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
213
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:50:00 -
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Pyhro wrote:I've read a lot of the information these wonderful Eve players have given you and, to be honest, I don't agree with most of it.
Firstly, despite all of the negative criticism it has gotten, jet-can mining DOES work. I do it regularly. You will make much more isk jet-can mining than filling your ore hold and taking it back and forth to a station. Follow the instructions below. Most people will disagree with my methods but it works and is much more profitable than any other form of solo mining in high-sec.
1.) Find a system that has several asteroid belts. 2.) Fit a mining barge (preferably a Covetor or Hulk, but a Procuror will do). Be sure to put Warrior IIs (or their Warrior I variants) in the drone hold. The drones will keep you safe from NPC pirates. 3.) Begin mining in any of the asteroid belts. Fill a jet can with ore. (Quick tip: Ignore Omber) 4.) When the can is full, warp back to base. (Remember to bookmark the can) 5.) Return to the can in a Mammoth. The Mammoth can carry 27k worth of cargo if it is fit properly. (Mammoth Fitting Guides are easy to find.) 6.) Rinse and repeat.
You will lose cans using this method. It's normal for this to occur. However, in the long run, this method is much more profitable.
ONE LAST IMPORTANT NOTE
When a player comes to destroy your can, DO NOT ENGAGE HIM WITH YOUR DRONES. Let him destroy your can. You will be safe. Just dock up and wait for the griefer to leave the system. Alternatively, take a break from Eve for a while and return a bit later.
You will need to be able to fly a Mammoth and Covetor for this to work. Consider these two ships to be short-term goals for you.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me in-game.
Eventually pirates worth their salt WILL cotton onto the fact you do this regularly. Don't jetcan mine, you wont get robbed.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:00:00 -
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Pyhro wrote:I've read a lot of the information these wonderful Eve players have given you and, to be honest, I don't agree with most of it.
Firstly, despite all of the negative criticism it has gotten, jet-can mining DOES work. I do it regularly. You will make much more isk jet-can mining than filling your ore hold and taking it back and forth to a station. Follow the instructions below. Most people will disagree with my methods but it works and is much more profitable than any other form of solo mining in high-sec.
1.) Find a system that has several asteroid belts. 2.) Fit a mining barge (preferably a Covetor or Hulk, but a Procuror will do). Be sure to put Warrior IIs (or their Warrior I variants) in the drone hold. The drones will keep you safe from NPC pirates. 3.) Begin mining in any of the asteroid belts. Fill a jet can with ore. (Quick tip: Ignore Omber) 4.) When the can is full, warp back to base. (Remember to bookmark the can) 5.) Return to the can in a Mammoth. The Mammoth can carry 27k worth of cargo if it is fit properly. (Mammoth Fitting Guides are easy to find.) 6.) Rinse and repeat.
You will lose cans using this method. It's normal for this to occur. However, in the long run, this method is much more profitable.
ONE LAST IMPORTANT NOTE
When a player comes to destroy your can, DO NOT ENGAGE HIM WITH YOUR DRONES. Let him destroy your can. You will be safe. Just dock up and wait for the griefer to leave the system. Alternatively, take a break from Eve for a while and return a bit later.
You will need to be able to fly a Mammoth and Covetor for this to work. Consider these two ships to be short-term goals for you.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me in-game. Funniest post so far.
Wonder how many will follow that advice?
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Marsan
Production N Destruction INC.
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Posted - 2012.08.21 05:26:00 -
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Keep in mind very few people steal from jet cans for the value of the stuff in them it's entirely to either grief you or better yet get you to attack them so they can kill you. Unless you have a friend in the same player corp with a combat ship you are going to lose 99%of ights with a can flipper. This goes for people salvaging your missions too.
There are thing you can do:
- Go some where else and mine. - Mine into a ship with a large cargo or ore hold - Mine into your ship's hold, but jet can one ore every couple of minutes. (drives them nuts as they just have to check all the cans) - Book mark a new 'riod about 100km away before you warp back to station with a load. Warp back to this site, start mining, and drop a jet can with one ore. (He'll have to fly over or warp out and back to check the can out) - Run mining missions or hauling missions
The important thing is to ignore the can flipper. Any interaction just tends to feed them.
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Blade N'Mare
0.0 Crescent Lion Stealth Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2012.08.21 06:36:00 -
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My turn
If you did the tutorial missions, you will have the basic hauler ship for your race, and the skill book necessary to fly it. Train up this skill so you can fly the next level Indy ship, as these are cheap, quick to train and hold over 10,000 m3 when fitted appropriately.
Next, train anchoring to level one, buy several Giant Secure Containers, and anchor them in the belts you wish to mine. I had 3 set up each in 2 belts
Now you can go out in your mining frig or cruiser, fill the containers safety, then a quick round trip in your hauler to empty
Next, train up for a Retriever. Best bet would be to search the forums or battle clinic for an anti gank fit, and train for the modules and fitting skills required as well. Don't go out in a minIng barge with no defense modules, it's asking for some idiot to gank your nice new ship. Retrievers hold a full can worth of ore.
Cheers,
Blade "Light a candle for the Sinners.-á Set the World on Fire." |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
274
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:43:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When you eject something from your cargohold, you're effectively saying "I no longer want this stuff". . Nonsense. That only applies to an abandoned (blue) can. If something is in your cargohold, short of blowing you up no one can take what is inside it. When you eject it from your cargohold, you are throwing it away. The stuff may still belong to you according to game mechanics, but you have effectively thrown that stuff away & anyone may come along & claim it as their own. If you don't want people stealing your stuff, don't eject it from your cargohold. Nope. There are all sorts of reasons why people put stuff in jetcans and the only one that involves throwing it away is when you abandon the can. The fact that you regard it as thrown away doesn't make it so.
Seriously Oraac, you should not be posting this stuff in the New Citizens forum.
Do you know where the term JetCan came from... Let me give you a clue:
jet-+ti-+son [jet-uh-suhn, -zuhn] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1. to cast (goods) overboard in order to lighten a vessel oraircraft or to improve its stability in an emergency. 2. to throw off (something) as an obstacle or burden; discard. 3. Cards . to discard (an unwanted card or cards).
CCP even provide you with a warning, Are you sure you want to Jettison that... Yes/No.
For any New players reading this, if you Jettison a can and put stuff in it, someday someone WILL come and take it, simply to try and get you to agro them. And it's that person who is more prepared for a fight.
Fly Safe... Fly Smart!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:41:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote: Seriously Oraac, you should not be posting this stuff in the New Citizens forum.
Do you know where the term JetCan came from... Let me give you a clue:
jet-+ti-+son [jet-uh-suhn, -zuhn] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1. to cast (goods) overboard in order to lighten a vessel oraircraft or to improve its stability in an emergency. 2. to throw off (something) as an obstacle or burden; discard. 3. Cards . to discard (an unwanted card or cards).
CCP even provide you with a warning, Are you sure you want to Jettison that... Yes/No.
For any New players reading this, if you Jettison a can and put stuff in it, someday someone WILL come and take it, simply to try and get you to agro them. And it's that person who is more prepared for a fight.
Fly Safe... Fly Smart!
Simple fact: if you throw something away you relinquish ownership of it. That doesn't happen in EVE.
The definitions you quote are just examples of the most common usage of the term. At its root "jettison" simply means to eject, without any connotation of the purpose of the ejection.
Stop confusing game mechanics with players' intentions. The warning is given for the simple reason that anyone can take from the can, not because you are deemed to have thrown anything away.
Please read and try to comprehend my original point. Taking from another player's can is theft and is not, and cannot be, justified by claiming that the can's contents have been thrown away (i.e. abandoned) as stated by the poster I replied to. I repeat, if the player has thrown away (i.e. abandoned) his stuff he would - guess what? - abandon his can. There is an exact RL parallel to this game mechanic:
Yellow can - Quote:Theft by finding occurs when someone who chances upon an object which seems abandoned takes possession of the object but fails to take steps to establish whether the object is abandoned and not merely lost or unattended. In some jurisdictions the crime is called "larceny by finding" or "stealing by finding". Blue can - Quote:If the owner has renounced all property rights in the object, then the property is abandoned. Since theft is the unlawful taking of another person's property, an essential element of the actus reus of theft is absent. Above all, please note that none of the above is in any way intended to imply that jetcans are safe, how could it be?
And don't presume to tell me where I should or shouldn't post. |
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