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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 20/01/2011 00:30:24 This is an issue for some of the player base.
Locking a thread just because it features some underlined text won't make it go away. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1452057
Personally I think PLEX for shoes is a lot better then PLEX for remaps like CCP wanted.
Discuss. Moderators, don't be dumb, a little public relations now will save you later.
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Foofad
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:31:00 -
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Agreed. While it does suck that in a game that is otherwise pay to play you have to pay more in order to access every option, PLEX for vanity is a hell of a lot better than PLEX for gameplay advantage. I won't complain. And I'll probably even buy a few.
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith This is an issue for some of the player base.
Is there any indication they are planning on pushing microtransactions?
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:41:00 -
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From a RP perspective problems do show up, like the Matar who have worn tribal tattoos of their family for generations, only to lose them to an upsell.
Also I'm not really sure why CCP would need micro-transactions.
If they are short on cash, or if the business doesn't grow properly, why not just ask us for more money? Bit hard to change the monthly subscription price-point but I don't really see why micro-transactions would be needed for cashflow.
If money is the issue (and not greed), the patch before last made it so you can't really run 3 clients on 1 PC where you could before, this patch kills your 2nd old PC that uses old tech, ruling out that 3rd or 4th client without a hardware upgrade....
That's not a good way to encorage people to keep those accounts active....
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:42:00 -
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Ive got money aside for my chars hotpants, Im sorta getting obsessed with hotpants actually. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Also I'm not really sure why CCP would need micro-transactions.
Where have they indicated they are going for microtransactions on the character creator?
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:47:00 -
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Im sure ccp will basically do this: "PLEX for vanity is a hell of a lot better than PLEX for gameplay advantage". No other way. I can mission for an hour or two and get my hotpants for my char
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:48:00 -
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ibtl
Petition|Successful|Reimbursement|Lag Pick 3 |
Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:50:00 -
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at least thats what I hope because as a carebear, after Golem, there is little else to pay out for so you just get richer and richer minus plex of course
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Disteeler
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Disteeler on 20/01/2011 01:00:47 Well, mmos cost like 0,5Ç a day, or 0,02Ç per hour to play, there is not anything in the world that has such a low cost XD And hasn't risen in the past decade despite inflation...so I don't blame mmo companies trying to make a little more money, and some of them, CCP included, if they do it will be just vanity items. They just have to try to incorporate it in some rp way, that's all I would ask.
So, nothing to worry citizens, move along!
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Shun
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Also I'm not really sure why CCP would need micro-transactions.
Where have they indicated they are going for microtransactions on the character creator?
They put "PLEX for remaps" on Sisi.... People saw it, and understandably had a fit. CCP said "Oh we had no idea you wouldn't love it". Then came back saying they'd only attempt it on vanity items in future.
Sisi had more options in the character creator, that have been removed for release.
1+1=2
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Xercodo
Amarr INESTO Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Shun
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Also I'm not really sure why CCP would need micro-transactions.
Where have they indicated they are going for microtransactions on the character creator?
go did thru the last few CSM minutes
CCP is pushing for it to maintain a hold int he MMO market where other MMO seem to be moving in that direction too
the CSM were just able to keep them off their idea of PLEX for remaps and got them to agree to make the micro-transaction market for JUST vanity items
-------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Xercodo CCP is pushing for it to maintain a hold int he MMO market where other MMO seem to be moving in that direction too
Thanks, I'll scroll through the minutes and appreciate the response. Linkage would have made it easier, but I'll try to not be too lazy. But I'm not sure I follow the logic though.
What hold on the market? EVE has an almost exclusive grip on their genre. Implementing Microtransactions is likely to lose them marketshare, rather than gain them marketshare.
That said, I'm actually a fan of microtransaction based systems. That way I get to choose what I want to pay for. That seems like a better option for me, personally, than:
(a) Having an increased monthly fee to cover all the items OR; (b) Paying for expansions with items I may not want
Then and again, I'm not cash strapped either and have disposable income I don't mind spending on what is already one of the cheapest forms of entertainment out there.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:16:00 -
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The marketshare part is strange.... Money can't be that tight that they'd make themselves less attractive.
Personally I'd rather pay $19.95 instead of $14.95 if cashflow and profitability is the issue.
Maybe it's just about paying for dev on all these unrelated products they've got in the pipe.
Think you have hit the nail on the head...... "Why?"
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kal'tika
Amarr Samurai Salvaging Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:28:00 -
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If people have millions of ISK ingame and they use that to buy spaceships, fittings, and deployable structures, why should clothing for your character cost you a PLEX? That doesn't make sense.
Microtransacations should unlock functionality in a game like access to new content, not adding vanity items.
It would make more sense to make clothing for your character available from Loyalty Point NPCs. Say buying a Caldari Navy uniform from their store but it should be a fair price compared to other items. It shouldn't cost more than an implant. And it shouldn't cost anywhere near as much as a ship BPC.
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Disteeler
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:30:00 -
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Well ppl tend to go to cheapest "percieved" game out there today, like the so called "free" mmo, so increasing the monthly fee might not make you to cancel the sub, but might make getting new customers way harder to get in. That is why, I guess, a higher fixed subscription price is a no-no in nowadays mmo industry if you want more customers.
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Personally I'd rather pay $19.95 instead of $14.95 if cashflow and profitability is the issue.
There are some pilots that have a 7 year history. This shows there is some loyalty and longevity in playing this. But let's say your average pilot sticks with it for 3 years. That's about $180 over their lifetime they've paid extra to avoid the concept of microtransactions; whether they use those vanity items or not.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2011.01.20 07:53:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2011.01.20 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith From a RP perspective problems do show up, like the Matar who have worn tribal tattoos of their family for generations, only to lose them to an upsell.
As far as I understood CCP, their intention is to make base things available without micro transactions, including tattoos, different kinds of glasses etc.
I have no problem with having a lesser subset without PLEXes; I play this game for the spaceships, Incarna will be nice but I do not get why everyone is fretting about it.
Sure, you may need to pay for your awesome tattoo, in the worst case. However, it won't make your Vagabond any faster. Your electronic Caldari arm won't give your Drake any more shield.
Long story short: You don't want to pay money, you don't pay money.
However, and this is what CCP is trying to explain to you all, it's never the best strategy to place all your eggs in a single basket. What if I make StEVE Online, an awesome spaceship game which does the single-shard-spaceship-flying better, but doesn't have any form of incarna planned? Many people will probably have a hard time choosing, and maybe fold an EVE Online alt account to have an account on that game.
Luckily, EVE isn't the only source of income, so CCP can compensate with the profits of DUST and microtransactions from Incarna.
The only thing I worry with PLEX transactions is the fact that they're already rising in ISK price, and will only get more rare. My concern is that eventually, no-one will be able to 'play for free' anymore (I'm aware that's not exactly what happens, but you know what I mean)
Anyway, /end rant. ---
Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser/Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ http://gemblog.nl/assembler/
Originally by: De'Veldrin Welcome to the ****ing sandbox
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D'lear
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:16:00 -
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Outcounting the habbo-hotek implications. While i would love to get my jin-mei head-thingy, i am ALREADY paying my subscription. If it allstays within game money it is all good isk sinks are allways nice, but if there is any implication on real money, i would like to say again i am ALREADY paying for this game.
When i pay for something i expect to get all stuff involved, without any wigglings by the seller. If you first take off my potrait that i loved, and then make it so that i cant remake it without paying for it... then i think the CCP are knaves and of bad morals.
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Sealiah
Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gemberslaafje
The only thing I worry with PLEX transactions is the fact that they're already rising in ISK price, and will only get more rare. My concern is that eventually, no-one will be able to 'play for free' anymore (I'm aware that's not exactly what happens, but you know what I mean)
Anyway, /end rant.
I wouldn't worry about that, there will always be people who want to buy a few plexes for isk even if the price is higher and there will always be people who would buy a few gtcs to convert to plex and sell if the price gets reasonably high (for me it's far too low to pay to get isk for a plex I have to sell). If the price of the plex rises, it'll just be a different group of people putting those plexes for sale on the market, and by that I mean larger.
More plexes on the market - the price will drop again.
It'll drop one day, don't worry. Besides, the plex price was exceptionally low recently.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.01.21 00:50:00 -
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CCP wants more money because idiots will pay more money, blame people for supporting the microtransaction 'model' and CCP for being greedy in wanting part of that cash cow. They can make money from real subscriptions and from microtransactions, CCP isn't hurting for money they simply want more because they can get it and people will pay.
Also more money for CCP doesn't equate to EVE=> gets better. CCP gets money they do whatever they want with it from making more console games, **** yes they are going to tap that cash cow too, to making another MMO or five.
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.02.03 01:57:00 -
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The moderation that pushes all critism into sub-forums is getting just a tiny bit old CCP.
Crowd Control Productions.
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