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LordElfa
Gallente Revan's Fist
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:22:00 -
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My proposal is a simple graphical bar that comes up the screen when activating your mining beams. On the bar, there is an arrow that at any time can randomly drift to the left and right, showing the mining lasers are going out of alignment. When the beams are aligned, the arrow is green and when they begin miss-aligning, they flash yellow, turning red when they reach the end.
If they reach the end of either side of the bar, the lasers shut off. All that's needed to steady the lasers is to use your mouse to bring the arrow back to the middle and hold it for a few seconds until the arrow turns green again. If the arrow turns red and your lasers shut off, you must use the mouse to bring the arrow back to the middle of the bar and hold it until it turns green and reactivate your lasers.
The beauty of the system is that the timing of misalignment is random and the mouse is required to bring thing back into sync, requiring an actual player to be on hand to keep things operating. ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠
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Eve Orwell
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.21 00:09:00 -
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are you ****ing kidding me? thats something that a bot could easily overcome, not to mention the pain it would be to non botters
this is a terrible solution
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ShadowLZ
We See Dead People Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.01.21 00:11:00 -
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I think your grossly underestimating the complexity of bot programs. Im still in favor of adding a recaptcha for the docking of mining barges. That way you don't kill afk mining. I don't think many miners will be in favor of your idea :/. Of course i don't think miners will be in favor of any changes. Ever.
Ill support it for ****s and giggles though.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr Department of Redundancy Dpt.
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Posted - 2011.01.21 03:15:00 -
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No. To the guy above me, it wouldn't be too hard to program the macro bots to keep the thing dead-center. __________________________
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ShadowLZ
Minmatar We See Dead People Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.01.21 21:03:00 -
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to the guy above me. No duh, thats why I said hes underestimating bot programs. Thats why I would rather recaptcha but that will happen in 50 years. I only support for ****s, ive seen worse suggestions.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.01.21 21:42:00 -
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NO!!
This is quite annoying just to think about having to do it. Then I remembered that I use up to 3 accounts mining at once
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LordElfa
Revan's Fist
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Posted - 2011.01.21 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: LordElfa on 21/01/2011 22:32:29 Hey, at least I'm trying to come up with a solution instead of just complaining about the problem. You say that mining is boring and there isn't enough to do.
90% of botters use nothing but a simple key-stroke recording program that could in no way deal with my suggestion at all. It wouldn't solve the problem entirely but it would reduce it quite a bit and for all I know, everyone in this thread runs bots and fears something like this screwing things up for them.
Exactly what pain would it be to non-botters?! So you would actually have to pay attention to what your doing and stop rubbing one out while you AFK mine. EVE's already full of enough asshats that play the game while watching Youtube and ****ing off. Why even bother playing the game if you aren't actually going to participate in playing it? ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠
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Cassus Temon
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Posted - 2011.01.22 03:10:00 -
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I don't suppose you've ever mined have you? It's boring as heck. So boring in fact; I can't even stand it. I've got a thing about paying attention, incase somebody comes along to suicide gank in high; or, if in Null or low, just to gank. Can't really rationalize the loss of a 200 Million ISK ship; because I was too bored to bother watching, while I'm making 4 Million ISK an hour, more or less.
Mining is unprofitable, boring, and thoroughly uninteresting; while the lasers crackle away, in a most annoying fashion, just to irritate you. It's frickin' profound, how dull it is; and you want guys to manage a tracking laser, every cycle. You're out of your mind; except for bot's, they'll stop mining entirely. I can't believe they actually do it; with the way it is now.
The only 'mining' I can handle; is Gas mining low displacement gas, thats worth a bit. At least my effort and boredom; is lessened by reasonable returns, and limited time. 10 minutes to handle a cloud of C-70; with a few guys, no more. If I have to mine anything, 5 cu. meters a unit or more; I get sick of it, and the extension of the time requirements, even at 70K+ a unit.
/definitely not supported.
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Zephris
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:00:00 -
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No support. Not mining afk is insane.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:35:00 -
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Any kind of mechanical process, that does not include complex human interaction (such as discerning intelligible shapes against a fuzzy background, CAPTCHA-style) is easily automated by a bot. Your input is appreciated, we need to deal with botting, but this is not the way to do it.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 22/01/2011 11:01:26
Originally by: ShadowLZ I think your grossly underestimating the complexity of bot programs. Im still in favor of adding a recaptcha for the docking of mining barges. That way you don't kill afk mining. I don't think many miners will be in favor of your idea :/. Of course i don't think miners will be in favor of any changes. Ever.
Ill support it for ****s and giggles though.
1) define "mining ship". It is a ship with a mining laser/stipminer in a high slot?
You have just damned all the new players to use captcha every time they dock. Player retention will drop.
Only a barge/exumer? Apoc/Rook bot for miners will be out next week. It will require a complementary hauler and a lot of drag and drop but bots don't fear carpal tunnel. After the needed time for retraining the situation will be back to "normal botting".
If you include industrial/transport ships and the orca you will annoy plenty of people. think doking in Jita while doing a captcha.
That even assuming that the bots will have problems with captcha (plenty of macro can decipher them).
2) It will kill player miners. We will get plenty of "elite PvPers" ready to kill miners near the stations while they input captcha.
3) it will annoy plenty of players for no discernible gain.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Certified Household Sweeping Consulting
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:08:00 -
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I think major problem with botting this and that is that they're not worth shooting while in space. Bot miners and haulers and ratters hardly ever drop anything worth looting, considering the time effort and/or sec loss spent shooting them.
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Memcoll
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:16:00 -
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It would be very easy to stop macro miners. All you would have to do is apply a 30% (this figure could revised) cut to mining yield of mining turrets/drones whilst in an npc corp. To mine effectively you would need to be in a player corporation which would make you war decable. Macro miners could mine in safety in npc corps if they wished but since their mining yield would be diminished. This would very beneficial to the economy. Genuine miners will usually gravitate to player corporations and as such wonĘt be affected. For the genuine player who mines in an npc corporation all I can say is time to find a good well balanced corp and please remember that mission runners had to take an 11% cut to bountyĘs when ccp introduced tax for npc corps. I have always wondered why ccp over looked minersą
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LordElfa
Gallente Revan's Fist
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Posted - 2011.01.22 21:27:00 -
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Well, it was just and idea, I thank you all for your imput and I apologize for my previous post which was both hostile and rude. ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff NO!!
This is quite annoying just to think about having to do it. Then I remembered that I use up to 3 accounts mining at once
Any system that allows you to run multiple mining characters at once is likely to be very easy to bot. So you miners need to decide which you prefer: multiple hulks or not competing against bots that never get tired or bored.
As long as ore is widely available and mining is really easy, it will be heavily botted.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cassus Temon
Mining is unprofitable, boring, and thoroughly uninteresting; while the lasers crackle away, in a most annoying fashion, just to irritate you. It's frickin' profound, how dull it is;
Fix this and you've fixed the "macro issue".
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.23 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Memcoll It would be very easy to stop macro miners. All you would have to do is apply a 30% (this figure could revised) cut to mining yield of mining turrets/drones whilst in an npc corp. To mine effectively you would need to be in a player corporation which would make you war decable. Macro miners could mine in safety in npc corps if they wished but since their mining yield would be diminished. This would very beneficial to the economy. Genuine miners will usually gravitate to player corporations and as such wonĘt be affected. For the genuine player who mines in an npc corporation all I can say is time to find a good well balanced corp and please remember that mission runners had to take an 11% cut to bountyĘs when ccp introduced tax for npc corps. I have always wondered why ccp over looked minersą
Would do nothing. Botter would simply open one man corp and jump corp when wardecced. |
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