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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 05:14:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. ~ George Bernard Shaw
Oh wonderful, I'm sure when you drop that quote in jita local, you will single handedly slay the beast that is political apathy. No but we should at least make sure everyone not only knows that the CSM exists but what it is actually for. Then they can ignore it. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.08.18 05:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Frying Doom wrote:. As a quick side note I feel the account age for voting is irrelevant, you should have to be subscribed for 3 months continuously prior to the election to be eligible to Vote Nice Voter Suppression laws you came up with, you'd make a good Republican. Whats next? No poors voting? No minmatar voting? If you had your way 100 years of the civil rights movement would be flushed down the drain! Anyway why would you care if vote rigging cost three times as much?
You either play this game at which point this would not effect you or you want to rig votes at which point you should pay for the privilege. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1871
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Posted - 2012.08.18 05:33:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:The Mittani served as a link between players and the CSM, as its most visible and polarizing member. When he stepped down, no one stepped up to fill those shoes - few really can, to be honest. The CSM seems weak and distant mostly because of his resignation.
Such a pity he put himself in the position of having to step down. That was really a dumb move if there's one. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.08.18 05:38:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Xinivrae wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. ~ George Bernard Shaw
Oh wonderful, I'm sure when you drop that quote in jita local, you will single handedly slay the beast that is political apathy. No but we should at least make sure everyone not only knows that the CSM exists but what it is actually for. Then they can ignore it.
What are they for?
They weren't shown space barbies.
They weren't shown fail UI.
Seems like they actually exist to deflect blame.
I voted, don't get me wrong, but CCP doesn't give two ***** what they think. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1186
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Posted - 2012.08.18 05:38:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:weak and distant
This sums it up well..
http://www.themittani.com Bringing balance to the world of Eve news |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
659
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Posted - 2012.08.18 05:44:00 -
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^ oh so true, why even make them more visible if that is all there is to them? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Antisocial Malkavian
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Posted - 2012.08.18 05:48:00 -
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There are CSM other than The Mittani?
Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Xinivrae wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. ~ George Bernard Shaw
Oh wonderful, I'm sure when you drop that quote in jita local, you will single handedly slay the beast that is political apathy. No but we should at least make sure everyone not only knows that the CSM exists but what it is actually for. Then they can ignore it. What are they for? They weren't shown space barbies. They weren't shown fail UI. Seems like they actually exist to deflect blame. I voted, don't get me wrong, but CCP doesn't give two ***** what they think.
Prett much. CCP does what the hell they want and pretend they care what the CSM says lol
The CSM was a knee-jerk response to the T20 thing and the player uproar over that. Their original charter was to go to CCP and play watchdog to make sure they werent cheating again
----lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:03:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Xinivrae wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. ~ George Bernard Shaw
Oh wonderful, I'm sure when you drop that quote in jita local, you will single handedly slay the beast that is political apathy. No but we should at least make sure everyone not only knows that the CSM exists but what it is actually for. Then they can ignore it. What are they for? They weren't shown space barbies. They weren't shown fail UI. Seems like they actually exist to deflect blame. I voted, don't get me wrong, but CCP doesn't give two ***** what they think. Part of that I feel is due to the fact it is only 16-18% of the EvE accounts Vote. When you look at as the CSM is elected by a small minority of the game can you blame CCP for thinking that what the CSM is saying is irrelevant? When you add onto this the large block voters you really minimize the CSM. This is one of the reasons I would like the CSM to be better known and more engaged to the whole EvE community, so when they actually go "Thats Crap" CCP is more likely to believe them. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Jett0
Surface Warfare Tribal Band
235
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:03:00 -
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Whatever you might think of the CSM, it's true they don't get the exposure they need. I discovered them almost by accident when I started reading the forums. And I discovered the forums by accident.
That said, CCP's only role should be to announce their existence. Anything beyond that is up to the CSM themselves. If you follow their blogs, tweets, and other media, most of them are actually quite active. The problem is, as mentioned, there's no way of knowing this without hunting the information down yourself.
A website created and maintained by the CSM where they post their thoughts, gather feedback, and document their efforts would go a long way, I think. Occasionally plays sober |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:16:00 -
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They canceled out 10,000 votes.
This idea that they would have shown the CSM the terrible UI had more people voted is silly. The idea that they would have delayed it until it was decent is even sillier. and i don't know that sillier is even a word. |
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:22:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:They canceled out 10,000 votes.
This idea that they would have shown the CSM the terrible UI had more people voted is silly. The idea that they would have delayed it until it was decent is even sillier. and i don't know that sillier is even a word. They did not cancel the 10,058 votes the candidate became ineligible for the CSM position.
As I said block votes actually make things worse anyway as they are a small in that case about 2.8% of the EvE population, so a very small minority with a central focus, if we were talking about 28% instead then yes that would be a big deal..
I am talking about trying to get voter levels into the 80%s, yes bloody impossible but worth the effort. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
502
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:24:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I am talking about trying to get voter levels into the 80%s, yes bloody impossible but worth the effort. Well, you've got a lot of work ahead of you, better get started! Nothing Found |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:26:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I am talking about trying to get voter levels into the 80%s, yes bloody impossible but worth the effort. Well, you've got a lot of work ahead of you, better get started! Well as you are reading this I would say I have. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
659
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:29:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:They canceled out 10,000 votes.
Perhaps you should join the Herman Cain supporters, in their therapy classes. Or Bill clinton supporters. Or ******'s supporters therapy classes. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:37:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Illest Insurrectionist wrote:They canceled out 10,000 votes.
Perhaps you should join the Herman Cain supporters, in their therapy classes. Or Bill clinton supporters. Or ******'s supporters therapy classes.
I'm pretty sure bill won twice. might have to check that, but i seem to recall something like that.
edit: on second thought, huh? i don't even see the connection? |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
660
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Posted - 2012.08.18 06:41:00 -
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True, just like you wearing what you call rosy glasses. He did the "act" after his second election. Much very much like mittens. He won two elections. But committed the act after the second victory. Maybe the big lesson is just human capability, and sometimes we just ask for too much, and its hard to live up to it.
I would definitely recommend Bill Clinton therapy sessions more then anything else. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1273
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:03:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:What are they for?
They weren't shown space barbies.
They weren't shown fail UI.
Seems like they actually exist to deflect blame.
I voted, don't get me wrong, but CCP doesn't give two ***** what they think. Don't peek behind the curtain, you might spot the wizard of oz ~~
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
502
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Well, you've got a lot of work ahead of you, better get started! Well as you are reading this I would say I have. I can tell that a lot of important things are going to be accomplished here in GD. Nothing Found |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:10:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Well, you've got a lot of work ahead of you, better get started! Well as you are reading this I would say I have. I can tell that a lot of important things are going to be accomplished here in GD. It is one of the tools we have available.
Sure it is cracked and covered in troll sludge but a tool none the less. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
660
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:17:00 -
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The troll sludge is the tool. Once you start cleaning the "tool" you will only end up with an empty hand. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:21:00 -
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rodyas wrote:The troll sludge is the tool. Once you start cleaning the "tool" you will only end up with an empty hand. Actually constructive ideas on how to let the CSM reach more of the player base would be nice.
But this is GD so troll sludge it is Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
660
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:33:00 -
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Its not bad, once you get use to it. Though its not as easy, as gaining or getting use to a pill addiction. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:54:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:They canceled out 10,000 votes.
This idea that they would have shown the CSM the terrible UI had more people voted is silly. The idea that they would have delayed it until it was decent is even sillier. and i don't know that sillier is even a word.
I thought mittens cancelled the 10,000 votes when he resigned? You want fries with that? |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
660
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Posted - 2012.08.18 07:56:00 -
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^ Or perhaps since no other GSF really ran for the election, that threw away the votes en masse as well. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
68
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Posted - 2012.08.18 08:20:00 -
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Honestly, it wouldn't hurt anybody to have some sort of small window on login screen telling about CSM actions. This could be just a small summary, for example, having a link to let you read the complete article. Updating it in weekly basis would at least give us players the impression that our CSM is doing something to let our voice be heard and to improve our gaming experience.
Placing the CSM Twitter feed (tbh, I don't even know if they have a Twitter, but I suspect they do) in a visible place where even those who don't log in forums will notice it, could also work. This would actually be handy, since you can include further blog/other articles in your Tweets, while keeping the message simple and short. Wouldn't crowd places like login screens overly much. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 08:26:00 -
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Elena Melkan wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't hurt anybody to have some sort of small window on login screen telling about CSM actions. This could be just a small summary, for example, having a link to let you read the complete article. Updating it in weekly basis would at least give us players the impression that our CSM is doing something to let our voice be heard and to improve our gaming experience.
Placing the CSM Twitter feed (tbh, I don't even know if they have a Twitter, but I suspect they do) in a visible place where even those who don't log in forums will notice it, could also work. This would actually be handy, since you can include further blog/other articles in your Tweets, while keeping the message simple and short. Wouldn't crowd places like login screens overly much. Thank you for your positive input. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Antisocial Malkavian
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:41:00 -
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Jett0 wrote:Whatever you might think of the CSM, it's true they don't get the exposure they need. I discovered them almost by accident when I started reading the forums. And I discovered the forums by accident.
That said, CCP's only role should be to announce their existence. Anything beyond that is up to the CSM themselves. If you follow their blogs, tweets, and other media, most of them are actually quite active. The problem is, as mentioned, there's no way of knowing this without hunting the information down yourself.
A website created and maintained by the CSM where they post their thoughts, gather feedback, and document their efforts would go a long way, I think.
Which is why single focus powerblocs like Goons can get anyone they want on them. Most ppl dont even know it exists http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Antisocial Malkavian
211
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Illest Insurrectionist wrote:What are they for?
They weren't shown space barbies.
They weren't shown fail UI.
Seems like they actually exist to deflect blame.
I voted, don't get me wrong, but CCP doesn't give two ***** what they think. Don't peek behind the curtain, you might spot the wizard of oz ~~
http://youtu.be/VbYNLmtAMAw
With a wizard hat even http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
438
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:42:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:What I would like to see is more people aware of what the CSM is and that it actually exists. Has it occurred to you that most people know what it is and don't care?
They are low grade politicians. At least the Mittani had the good sense of humor to be able to laugh at how farcical the whole thing was.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:18:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Frying Doom wrote:What I would like to see is more people aware of what the CSM is and that it actually exists. Has it occurred to you that most people know what it is and don't care? They are low grade politicians. At least the Mittani had the good sense of humor to be able to laugh at how farcical the whole thing was. Last year when I was running around empire advertising the CSM, I was amazed how many times I had to answer the question "Whats the CSM". It was so often I actually ended up having it written in notepad so I couple copy and paste the answer.
The other misconception I ran into a lot was that it was a 'Null sec thing' Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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