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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rylie Gayle on 22/01/2011 11:02:43 http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/21/will-the-earth-have-two-suns-by-2012/ Quote: "We'll have incredible brightness for a brief period of time for a couple of weeks and then over the coming months it begins to fade and then eventually it will be very hard to see at all.ö
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:24:00 -
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They can¦t even predict the local weather right, or have any actual clue what really influences earth climate.
What makes you even consider they have a smidgen of an idea of how to predict foreign suns? ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:17:00 -
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The title of that article has nothing whatsoever to do with its contents.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak foreign suns?
I chuckled.
As for the OP's article : "meh". Yes, it might happen as soon as in a couple of years, or in a million years, and it will last a couple of weeks. Well, blah-dee-daah. I shall also be looking forward to winning the lottery since it has about as much odds of happening during my lifetime. Now if only I played any lottery... _
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:48:00 -
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wasn't Betelgeuse considered an "old star" already? considering the colour of it, actually quite light for the size on the way to becoming nova? ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:10:00 -
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/21/betelgeuse-explode-scientists-say/ The hilarious part comes from the fact that the initial alarmist story comes from another similar news corporation owned by the same parent company as foxnews, and it's foxnews this time that tones it down a notch. Hilarious, really.
Quote: [...] While the second biggest star in the universe is strangely losing mass -- and has already become a red giant, meaning it is destined to explode and become a supernova -- there's no reason to believe that it will happen anytime soon. "The story is pretty 'Hollywoody,'" said New Jersey Institute of Technology professor Philip R. Goode. In reality, the stars eventual explosion is inevitable, but no one knows when it will happen, he explained -- 2012 is pure conjecture. [...] When Betelgeuse does blow, it will definitely be visible, Goode confirmed. "One could roughly expect it to be as bright as a full moon and gradually fade away over a few months" [...] "ItÆs hard to know just when a star will explode when youÆre on the outside. Betelgeuse might go up tonight, or it might not be for 100,000 years. WeÆre just not sure," Plait explained. Goode agreed. "If you want to bet on it, it's better to try the lottery," he said.
ROFL@ that last part. That's just what I was saying _
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CharmingButIrrational
Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:18:00 -
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i hope someone called ford and zaphod
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:21:00 -
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Why are people so desperate for 2012 to actually have some significance?
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CharmingButIrrational
Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Why are people so desperate for 2012 to actually have some significance?
because dude, like, these totally mystic mayan dudes, who were totally in tune with all their nature and astrology and **** have got to be right, right? i mean they invented calenders! also im a scorpio and dates have a lot of significance for me like may 25th.
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CharmingButIrrational
Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:30:00 -
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Seriously though, I think it's really for people who are too afraid to blow themselves up, and hey, end of the world is only a couple years away, I'd be taking the whole ****ing world with me then
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CharmingButIrrational
Roswell Project Victimz
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:38:00 -
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super srs calloway crossing cabernet sauvignon shiraz is pretty tasty, half price at tescos
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: article And while the celestial event could take place before the end of 2012, it may not occur for a million years.
So it might happen but it might not happen?
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2011.01.23 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Why are people so desperate for 2012 to actually have some significance?
Probably a variation of Pavlovs Dogs. |
Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2011.01.23 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Why are people so desperate for 2012 to actually have some significance?
Because after every other doomsday date passing without incident 2012 is the next one where "the world really will end this time, honest!"
I'm curious to see what the new date for the end of the world will be. |
Feilamya
Pain Elemental
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:04:00 -
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I'm ready for weeks of endless light and looking forward to my next holiday in northern Norway. |
Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 23/01/2011 10:22:27 So ****ing awsome, there is a .000000005 percent change I get to live in a science fiction movie!
Edit: whats gonna happend with our electrical equipment? Can this set us back to the stone age? |
Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:25:00 -
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Even if it does happen won't it take a few hundred years for the light to reach us? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Simeon Tor Even if it does happen won't it take a few hundred years for the light to reach us?
considering our current observations are equally delayed meh. |
Avaan Eclipse
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.23 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage
Originally by: article And while the celestial event could take place before the end of 2012, it may not occur for a million years.
So it might happen but it might not happen?
No, it will (according to currently accepted theories of stellar evolution, anyway) happen, it's just that no one knows when it will happen.
Originally by: Scott Ryder Edited by: Scott Ryder on 23/01/2011 10:22:27 So ****ing awsome, there is a .000000005 percent change I get to live in a science fiction movie!
Edit: whats gonna happend with our electrical equipment? Can this set us back to the stone age?
No. This is not like a coronal mass ejection, which throws high-energy electron, protons and ions at the earth that messes with the magnetic field. A core collapse supernova like the one Betelgeuse will go through produces mostly neutrinos, of which a vast majority will not even come to earth, and even those that do will, in the similarly vast majority, pass through the earth completely unhindered.
The actual light from a supernova is not that different from that of a normal star, there's just a lot more of it since the area that produces it is a lot larger. |
TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 23/01/2011 14:21:39
Originally by: Simeon Tor Even if it does happen won't it take a few hundred years for the light to reach us?
lol
We are observing light, we don't know the current status of the star. It could be dead already, and if we are gonna be hit by 2012 then it would have to have been dead for a long time.
Edit: fyi, when you look at the sun, you are observing it 8 and half minutes in the past because the light had to reach earth. Betelgeuse is somewhere around 650 light years away, so if it were to overwelm us with light in 2012 it would have blown up sometime in late 1300s. |
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Evansithe
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:26:00 -
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Don't mind him, it's just another sunstroked Queenslander. |
Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak They can¦t even predict the local weather right, or have any actual clue what really influences earth climate.
What makes you even consider they have a smidgen of an idea of how to predict foreign suns?
I honestly think that would be a bit easier, just by looking at the radiation wavelengths that are coming off of it and such... |
Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.01.24 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 24/01/2011 01:10:32
Originally by: ivar R'dhak They can¦t even predict the local weather right, or have any actual clue what really influences earth climate.
What makes you even consider they have a smidgen of an idea of how to predict foreign suns?
I'm sorry, but we actually have a very good idea about what really influences earth's climate.
The sun, the oceans and the shape of the land are the main factors and influences on the earth's climate. Mainly the sun, though, as the sun is essentially a giant heat engine which drives the weather system.
And with a bit of training, anyone can semi-reliably predict the weather. If a cold front is coming towards you, then you can reliably predict that it is going to get cold in a day or two. If a warm front is coming towards you, then you can reliably predict that it is going to get warm in a day or two. With a cold front, you can reliably predict that precipitation will occur.
And in the US, if a cold front is about to overtake a warm front, then you can reasonably predict that an occluded front will occur, causing a high chance of severe weather.
The "we can't predict the weather" is nothing more than a denial bias. We ignore all of the times when the weather report is correct, and choose to only remember the times when the weather report was wrong. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
I'm sorry, but we actually have a very good idea about what really influences earth's climate.
Is that so.
Quote: Mainly the sun, though, as the sun is essentially a giant heat engine which drives the weather system.
Maybe you should give that insight to your local government that¦s taxing us all for cow farts and our CO2 emissions(aka breathing).
Quote: And with a bit of training, anyone can semi-reliably predict the weather.
Yes, it¦s called guessing. Peasants have done it since the dawn of time. Only now we have Satellites that allow us to look further and make better guesses.
As for how good those guesses are I just have to point out NOAA¦s last hurricane season "predictions" and how accurate we know when floods occur like, uhm, in Australia for example? ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:13:00 -
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I hope to see it happen in my lifetime, that would be kewl. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2011.01.25 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Borgholio on 25/01/2011 07:35:24 In case anybody cares, I'm an amateur astronomer and the fate of Betelgeuse is actually fun to study.
Long story short, if a star is above a certain size, it will explode in a supernova at the end of it's life. The explosion is so big that all that's left of the star is a neutron star or a black hole. The release of energy in the process is titanic...it puts out more in a few seconds than the entire galaxy around it. So it will be quite bright. Saying we'll have no night for a few weeks is a bit overkill but it'll definitely be brighter than the full moon. Here are some examples:
SN 1987A - A supernova that went off in 1987, nearly 170,000 lightyears away in another galaxy...bright enough to see with the naked eye at night.
SN 1054 - The last supernova to go off in our own galaxy...back in 1054AD, a tad over 6,000 lightyears away. It was bright enough to be seen with the naked eye IN THE DAYTIME for several days.
Betelgeuse - About 500 lightyears away. So...yeah...gonna be a wee bit brighter. :)
How do we know BG is about to light up? Well when a supernova-capable star gets close to the moment of ignition it begins to shrink...rapidly. BG used to be about the size of the orbit of Saturn, but it the last 15 years it has shrunk nearly 20% in size. So it could explode in 2012 as some people are claiming, or it could happen in the next few minutes. Or it could happen in the next million years. No way to know for sure since we've never actually studied a star pre-supernova before. BG is our first chance to actually watch the process.
When it does happen though...
What to do when Betelgeuse explodes... ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.01.25 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Borgholio When it does happen though...
What to do when Betelgeuse explodes...
as long as you don't need sunblock factor 9000+, that's good. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:18:00 -
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Betelgeuse super nova is a cover up for Planet X collison with Earth!
I drank the kool-aid...
Originally by: CCP Shadow Cool! Thanks for linking to this re-purposed homage, Nefrin.
-- Shadow
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Aderata Nonkin
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Why are people so desperate for 2012 to actually have some significance?
Because the movie was crap.
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Edge Bricklin
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Posted - 2011.01.26 17:43:00 -
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Interesting story... and anyone who knows who Carl Sagan is knows that this is something that will be considered a fairly common event in the cosmos. The trick is for us to catch it happening.
I shake my head at the stupid media... saying it will be 24 hour daylight for a couple of weeks! If that was the case, say goodbye to the ice caps! For that kind of light intensity to occur on Earth, we would have to have an event more like what happened in the movie "2010" where Jupiter mysteriously becomes a star. So if it isn't housed in our solar system, it cannot produce "daylight".
I hope I live long enough to see the light from that event reach us. (It has probably already happened)
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