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Arzal Shayr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.23 11:04:00 -
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I have been looking for a good Amarr roleplay corporation for a while but the ones I found seem to be defunct, the others have latin names which I think is silly. There is nothing latin about EVE or the Amarr, no NPC corporation or NPC has a latin name so why make corporations or characters with latin names? That's just silly.
Anyway, are there any Amarr roleplay corporations out there that follow CCP's background on the Amarr instead of some roman fantasy?
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2011.01.23 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 23/01/2011 13:03:45
More HARDCORE than the HARDCORE? I'm sure someone out there would just love to be around you, and will be along shortly.
(I'd recommend reading some chronicles, btw. Amarr RPers are among the most nitpicky PrimeFiction adherents that exist)
More constructively, you might have some luck discussing it HERE. |
Lucius Vindictus
Amarr East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2011.01.23 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 23/01/2011 17:27:48 People often say that there is no latin in the Amarr Empire, but proof to the opposite is everywhere:
If you read this chronicle you will find a phrase spoken in Amarrian: "a manu dei e tet rimon". If that isn't latin then I'm a Jovian Princess. Not only is it present in the Empire, it seems to be one of their forms of speech.
As for romans... there are plenty of romanesque names and themes given to NPC's. For example I named my character Lucius after I read that name for an Amarrian in a news item and thought it was cool enough to name a character after. So you can say I'm your living proof in a way...
But if you don't like roman or latin names you can of course start your own corporation. Persian names seem far more common in the Amarrian lore, so you might want to go for that. Other than that most of the NPC names seem like indiscernible and awkward sounding gibberish to me. "Hi, my name is Ixxuqarrla Peroxuratsa"...
I think that is why you won't find any corps named: "Peroxuratsa Inc."... But if you are comfortable doing that, go ahead. There is a niche for everyone if you look hard enough.
Also, a friendly piece of advice: ridiculing your peers, especially when you are wrong, isn't the way to get people to line up to invite you into their corps... just saying |
Shazal Khevar
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:08:00 -
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There may be the odd exception such as "Pax Amarria" but the modern language spoken by the Amarrians has nothing to do with latin. Is Jamyl Sarum known as Octavia Questus? Is Viziam known as Titanicus Inc.? Are holders known as Patricians? Can you name an NPC or NPC Corporation with a latin name? Can you really? I was Roleplaying with a guy the other day and my jaw dropped when he mentioned the "Imperial Curia" and how he was a "Centurion" in the imperial navy...
Something's wrong! |
Lucius Vindictus
Amarr East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 23/01/2011 18:13:15
Originally by: Shazal Khevar There may be the odd exception such as "Pax Amarria" but the modern language spoken by the Amarrians has nothing to do with latin. Is Jamyl Sarum known as Octavia Questus? Is Viziam known as Titanicus Inc.? Are holders known as Patricians? Can you name an NPC or NPC Corporation with a latin name? Can you really? I was Roleplaying with a guy the other day and my jaw dropped when he mentioned the "Imperial Curia" and how he was a "Centurion" in the imperial navy...
Something's wrong!
You know, the other day I was online, and my NPC mission giver spoke to me in ENGLISH!!! *gasps!* Universal translators be damned! I insist that CCP invents a whole Amarrian language, and forces us to learn it.
Totally broke my immersion... I'm thinking of cancelling my account now. |
Arzal Shayr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:11:00 -
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I don't mean to offend you or anyone but I feel there is no place for latin in Amarr roleplay (Other than if you are a scholar or priest of sorts). Every single Amarr RP corporation I have heard of has a latin name. This is insane! Plus I don't see anything wrong with using proper persian-ish sounding names. These don't need to be ugly or hard to pronounce. Take my own first name for example, I don't think Arzal is hard to say or write? |
Shazal Khevar
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Vindictus Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 23/01/2011 18:10:46
Originally by: Shazal Khevar There may be the odd exception such as "Pax Amarria" but the modern language spoken by the Amarrians has nothing to do with latin. Is Jamyl Sarum known as Octavia Questus? Is Viziam known as Titanicus Inc.? Are holders known as Patricians? Can you name an NPC or NPC Corporation with a latin name? Can you really? I was Roleplaying with a guy the other day and my jaw dropped when he mentioned the "Imperial Curia" and how he was a "Centurion" in the imperial navy...
Something's wrong!
You know, the other day I was online, and my NPC mission giver spoke to me in ENGLISH!!! *gasps!*
Totally broke my immersion... I'm thinking of cancelling my account now.
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=apr02
And nobody would play the game if it wasn't in english. But I mean names are a different thing or would you want people called Bob Handerson around? I already discussed this in a thread of mine, latin in EVE is weird. |
Lucius Vindictus
Amarr East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arzal Shayr I don't mean to offend you or anyone but I feel there is no place for latin in Amarr roleplay (Other than if you are a scholar or priest of sorts). Every single Amarr RP corporation I have heard of has a latin name. This is insane! Plus I don't see anything wrong with using proper persian-ish sounding names. These don't need to be ugly or hard to pronounce. Take my own first name for example, I don't think Arzal is hard to say or write?
I'd agree with that if Persian-ish (don't even know what to call it) was the only language in the Empire. But it really isn't. There are too many sources and references disprove that that would be the case. There are trillions of people in the Empire who each have their own language and local customs. Pax Amarria, as you mentioned yourself, has nothing Persian about it. It seems entirely reasonable the assume that Latin, in some shape or form, has made it into the Amarrian culture. So there is nothing insane there that I can see until they use earth-references. |
Arzal Shayr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:21:00 -
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Agreed. However my feeling is that the Roleplay community is overwhelmed with latin named corporations which well, creates a lack in diversity and originality. |
Lucius Vindictus
Amarr East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 23/01/2011 18:23:25
Originally by: Shazal Khevar And nobody would play the game if it wasn't in english. But I mean names are a different thing or would you want people called Bob Handerson around? I already discussed this in a thread of mine, latin in EVE is weird.
Well, as I already said before, you DO find people named Bob Handerson flying around. And you will interact with them whether you want to or not. In my opinion it would only be weird if it didn't fit the background, which doesn't apply here. But if it's weird to you, that's fine by me. I just don't see why you should get away with calling others "silly" for doing something that is fully supported by the game's background. |
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 23/01/2011 18:35:58
Originally by: Arzal Shayr Agreed. However my feeling is that the Roleplay community is overwhelmed with latin named corporations which well, creates a lack in diversity and originality.
I find Persian names to sound awkward and weird while I like Latin names better. It would seem that the majority of Amarr loyalists agree with me. Probably most of us are from western countries and feel more comfortable with Latin over Persian as it is more recognisable?
I don't see anything wrong with picking one over the other, as both are equal and valid options. And to comment on a player referring to himself as a "centurion" to you, why isn't that OK, as this is an actual title in the Amarrian military hierarchy? Just look at the Amarrian NPC ships in faction warfare or in missions. They are called all kinds of "preatorian this' or "centurion that". There are military units organised in "legions" and "cohorts". These aren't things that you should have to drop your jaw at. |
Esna Pitoojee
Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:53:00 -
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Well, there is the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown. |
Speaker of Truths
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Posted - 2011.01.23 21:10:00 -
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I shall have the last word in this matter. Can we agree on that?
Now behave gentlemen or you will end up like a certain heir...
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Lucius Vindictus
Amarr East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2011.01.23 23:57:00 -
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Uh oh... *coughs* We'll play nice, sir. We promise!
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Speaker of Truths
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Posted - 2011.01.24 00:32:00 -
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Arzal, I want you to go forth and create your own corporation. Lucius, you shall roleplay with Arzal and kick his two asteroids if he decides to continue this thread. May God watch over you.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr Muhafezen Hubrau
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Posted - 2011.01.26 21:08:00 -
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Well, I just realized that it was quite hypocritical to be running a corp called Cataphractia Imperiates while at the same time leading a project to produce an Amarrian language that's as far from Latin as possible (see signature) - so I trashed the Cataphractia and just today formed Muhafezen Hubrau (Guardians of Heaven).
Latin-allergics are free to join if they so wish, but I can't promise any sort of dependable in-game presence on my part. ----- Amarrad - A Language Project |
Sibylla Aldanar
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.01.27 05:44:00 -
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"Imud Hubrau," beast of Heaven..."Imlau Eman," mouth of God..."A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God ("tet rimon" literally means divine devotion), Ardishapur, Kador, Kor-Azor, Sarum, Tash-Murkon,etc.
The Amarrian language, to describe it simply, is a conglomeration of various languages specifically selected in order to create an atmosphere of religious centrality and antiquity.
So, it has a bit of Latin, bit of Arabic, and quite a lot of Old Persian for names... --------------------------------------------------
"Umintd cenir mana caita ento, frd Anar isintid ar Isil nß firnd." |
Horatius Caul
Amarr Muhafezen Hubrau
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Posted - 2011.01.27 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Horatius Caul on 27/01/2011 07:25:28
Originally by: Sibylla Aldanar "Imlau Eman," mouth of God
Ooh, I'd missed that one! Cheers! It's been added to the glossary ----- Amarrad - A Language Project |
Evet Morrel
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.28 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Evet Morrel on 28/01/2011 11:41:39
There are bond to be dozens of different dialects spoken through out the empire considering it's size. I guess that the RP lore is broad enough to incorporate such "inconstancies" without too much tension. Anyway I would think that there are languages of state craft, of the aristocracy and of religious orthodoxy, at the very least. perhaps even the military have their own dialects. We have some lore to support the influence of latin, Greek and Farsi - however Rome is such a good analogy for Amarr and much better know that the Achaemenid empire for example, so little wonder why it's become a popular influence on the RP setting.
Or perhaps, I'll put this out there, these names only appear to be latin etc. due to CCP's software attempting to give us some insight into the Amarr who speak a language so different that it would defy analysis.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.29 00:31:00 -
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Language: Fantastic work has been done on some Persian influences
Here
Amarr RP corps, there are quite a few good ones for you to seek out. I'd consider where your character stands on some of the more basic Imperial issues, such as slavery, the reclaiming, liberal or conservative, and perhaps seek these groups out and see who you feel more comfortable working with. Each have their various reputations on a variety of subjects and you should definitely be able to find a group that you would like to join!
Off the top of my head, Pie Inc (Imperial) Knights of the Merciful Crown (Imperial) Deus Imperiosus Acies (Imperial) [Alliance] Khanid Trade Syndicate (Khanid) and small plug for my own group [Alliance] Black Inquisition (Khanid)
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2011.01.29 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sibylla Aldanar The Amarrian language, to describe it simply, is a conglomeration of various languages specifically selected in order to create an atmosphere of religious centrality and antiquity.
Nicely put.
To add some more examples, there are legions (heh) of Amarr NPCs that have names directly taken from Roman military ranks.
Is it concrete evidence of Roman origin or something of that sort? Personally I never saw it that way. I much prefer Sibylla's analysis of the rationale behind it.
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Laerise
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.30 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Arzal Shayr OOC
I have been looking for a good Amarr roleplay corporation for a while but the ones I found seem to be defunct, the others have latin names which I think is silly. There is nothing latin about EVE or the Amarr, no NPC corporation or NPC has a latin name so why make corporations or characters with latin names? That's just silly.
Anyway, are there any Amarr roleplay corporations out there that follow CCP's background on the Amarr instead of some roman fantasy?
Please let me know!
Throwing stones is my job.
If you really want to invest into amarr RP do as Silas told you to, read up on the subject and talk to people.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.31 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Laerise
Originally by: Arzal Shayr OOC
I have been looking for a good Amarr roleplay corporation for a while but the ones I found seem to be defunct, the others have latin names which I think is silly. There is nothing latin about EVE or the Amarr, no NPC corporation or NPC has a latin name so why make corporations or characters with latin names? That's just silly.
Anyway, are there any Amarr roleplay corporations out there that follow CCP's background on the Amarr instead of some roman fantasy?
Please let me know!
Throwing stones is my job.
If you really want to invest into amarr RP do as Silas told you to, read up on the subject and talk to people.
^This.
When you put the effort in on your end to investigate these groups, you not only possibly partake in some good RP interactions, but you show those you might be interested in joining that you are involved, and not just looking to be handed all of your information. It takes a while to get the lay of the land and learn the personalities involved.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.02.01 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Sibylla Aldanar The Amarrian language, to describe it simply, is a conglomeration of various languages specifically selected in order to create an atmosphere of religious centrality and antiquity.
Nicely put.
To add some more examples, there are legions (heh) of Amarr NPCs that have names directly taken from Roman military ranks.
Is it concrete evidence of Roman origin or something of that sort? Personally I never saw it that way. I much prefer Sibylla's analysis of the rationale behind it.
Similarly, all Federation faction NPCs have their names from Roman/Greek. Praktor Legionarius, Praktor Centurion, Praetoria, Libertus etc.
Looking at Amarrian naming styles (particularly systems), Persian/Arabic is a safer bet than Roman. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |
Nascha Stardancer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:53:00 -
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Im curious what the OP thinks CCP's Amarr background is, since he doesnt seem to think its Latin-esque.
I was reading the Eve timeline earlier and the one thing that stood out to me was that their ancient ancestors were Catholics. And what did the Catholics speak mass in for centuries? Latin. Its also called the Roman Catholic Church.
Amarr facial features are Romanesque as well.
While I doubt that Amarr speak in uncorrupted Latin, I bet their language has something of a similar syntax (get it? sin tax? lol).
Complaining that Latin has no belonging in a racial culture that is steeped in the roots of Catholicism is like complaining because the sky is blue... or multicoloured as is the case with space.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.02.03 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 03/02/2011 15:42:20 Mulling it over, I have to agree with the original poster's sentiment about "Roman fantasy".
CCP have developed Amarr PF quite a lot, and have elaborated them to be Amarr. Amarr are Amarr, not Roman.
The Amarrians have a feudal, theocratic system heavily based around religious texts and racial slavery. The Romans, on the other hand, were not theocratic, and did not base their constitution on scripture, nor was their slavery racial. The Romans were very decadent too, with over-sexed males and whatnot, while this sort of flamboyant behaviour is discouraged in the Amarr Empire. This carried on to Renaissance Italy as well, where France and Britain would associate Italy with immorality.
The presence of a "Unified Catholic Church" and the word "Empire" does not correlate it with Greco-Roman. If anything, the pre-Federation Gallente society of the Garoun Empire would be based off the Romans (eg. eventually collapsing and leaving behind a strong technological and ideological legacy), and not to mention Greco-Roman names to Gallente ships and NPCs. In addition, the Gallente are pretty decadent, which is lifted from this sort of historical inspiration. They're also into visual spectacles and pleasure-seeking, as were the Romans with their gladiator tournaments, chariot races and plays.
Again, though, I would stress that there is enough PF to say that the Amarr are Amarr, and the Gallente are Gallente. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |
Lucius Vindictus
Amarr East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2011.02.03 18:59:00 -
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I don't think that anyone is trying to say that the Amarr are Roman. Romans are Romans, and Amarrians are Amarrians. There are similarities between the two, but they aren't the same.
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Amarrkash Kador
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Posted - 2011.03.04 21:25:00 -
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To be honest the Amarr are a mixture of Byzantium, Roman and Persian. However this is a very tenoues link. Yes they have simularities and some words are included in the game but ultimatly we are dealing with a 20000 year old civilization which is derived from a people who have traveled from a difrent social group. Even if the Amarr had kept the social and language heritage of there past completly intact there roots have no specifc culture. Unified Catholic Church does in no way have a singular root culture. Catholasism is spread out across the globe. It is the largest group of the largest religion on Earth. By logic a Unified Catholic Church would have pieces of every culture in them but prodomilantly a Latin and Middle Eastern (western) influence which ultimatly gives you a cultur of similare to the Eastern Roman Empier (Byzantium) but this will be a tenious link. ultimatly the RP is left very open to interpritation. CCP have been clver with the Amarr by hinting at the cultural ideas of the Amarr to allow players to come up with there own ideas on there Amarrian RP.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.03.05 23:49:00 -
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I am unsure of what Catholic Church everyone sees when they read Unified Catholic Church? Catholicism, and Christianity in general, are messianic religions. Christians believe that Christ, the annointed one, the embodiment of God, has already arrived once, with a promise to return. Nowhere did Christ say that any man was above any man in station, quite the contrary.
This Unified Catholic Church might be some bastardized religion concieved decades or centuries from the present. But is in NO WAY related to Christianity as I understand it.
More akin to the Catholic Church during the Inquisition. The story of the Unified Catholic Church would definately be an interesting read.
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Max Singularity
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Posted - 2011.03.07 16:46:00 -
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IC Arzal you are bigot among us. Go sulk in the Caldari Empire and tho shalt rid us of your separatist ways.
OOC Really? Making a point on the forums about a nitpick, which is a nitpick?
I would predict, that an Empire as grand as the Amarr, would have regions and various sub cultures especially since it invaded most of known space to acquire more world. As a comparisson, just check out the United States as a single nation. In the US there is differences between East coast and West coast cultures, Midwest vs California or Maine, and the North vs South thing.
Thus, a grand empire would have many different sub cultures and forms of speech.
My character is from a Grand House, much like that of the Dune Landsrads, or the House of the Emperor.
Most vetren RP'rs know how to "work it in" to the story. That is the skill of a good RP player. I don't see the OP doing that here.
IC We as Amarr are a Just and Inclusive people. We reach out with our culture's Love to aid those in need, or less evolvement. There is little room for separatists among us.
Max Singularity Acting House Chair House Singularity
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