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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:58:00 -
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Has anyone gained any insight into just how much each level of the planetology skills affect the new PI system? Accuracy, yields, etc?
Asking since I am now seriously considering going 5/5 (5/4 finishing in about 4 days), which of course is a reasonable time investvment. Is it a good one though you think?
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Argonaught
Minmatar Cabbage Tea
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:07:00 -
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I have 5/5 and before the change in PI they were kinda useful. Since the update in PI 5/5 means nothing as all the numbers in PI are off and you still get massive inconsistencies during extractor placement/installing program/submitting changes and routing.
All you can be really sure of is what ends up in your storage/Launchpad, but you can't trust what the ECU tells you.
All numbers are off but if CCP listen to the PI makers they might fix it...but don't hold breath.
Argo.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Argonaught I have 5/5 and before the change in PI they were kinda useful. Since the update in PI 5/5 means nothing as all the numbers in PI are off and you still get massive inconsistencies during extractor placement/installing program/submitting changes and routing.
All you can be really sure of is what ends up in your storage/Launchpad, but you can't trust what the ECU tells you.
All numbers are off but if CCP listen to the PI makers they might fix it...but don't hold breath.
Argo.
This was listed under the "known issues" section for the patch though, it will most likely be corrected. My question was how much the skills actually are supposed to impact extraction.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:20:00 -
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I don't believe the skills are suppose to have a direct affect on the extraction amounts. They are suppose to affect the "estimate" readings. My character that has 5/5 has gotten the same numbers before and after installing a program.
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Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:31:00 -
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i had 4/4 when the new pi comes live.
the accuracy of the yield while dragging the extractors was pretty awful. had to install, end, readjust, install, etc all the time.
so i used my free sp and maxed both to L5.
changes: more white one the map and many highyield spots, but they depleat fast. and i'm still searching "the nugget". accuracy of the before/after installprogram @100% Linkage
what still bugs me are the wrong extraxtion numbers, which are somtimes on very low spots higher than on the red ones.
in fact, i think the points are good invested, if you really want to do PI efficient. also, i hope they fix the wrong numbers soon, so i can see the real impact of 5/5 _________________ Lost in a realm of eternal ice on the threshold of eternity. |
Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:42:00 -
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Thanks for the replies guys, I will absolutely hit 5/5 after reading this. And yea, lets hope CCP fixes the bad numbers with the next update.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:56:00 -
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From reading the results from responses of people with the skills trained and with my own experience of having NEITHER of those skills trained at all (or maybe I have Planetology I if it was required for something?) I can only conclude they are completely worthless skills to have.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aureus From reading the results from responses of people with the skills trained and with my own experience of having NEITHER of those skills trained at all (or maybe I have Planetology I if it was required for something?) I can only conclude they are completely worthless skills to have.
Sorry to hear you don't read so good.... 2 of the 3 responders responded favorably.
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Invictra Atreides
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aureus From reading the results from responses of people with the skills trained and with my own experience of having NEITHER of those skills trained at all (or maybe I have Planetology I if it was required for something?) I can only conclude they are completely worthless skills to have.
I also have 0 in those skills and after I click the install button the extraction changes from 60.455/h to 20.112/h. Are they rly worthless ? I can only tell that it's imposible for my low skills to tell what spot I hhave already drained and to where I should move the extractors the next day.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff
Originally by: Aureus From reading the results from responses of people with the skills trained and with my own experience of having NEITHER of those skills trained at all (or maybe I have Planetology I if it was required for something?) I can only conclude they are completely worthless skills to have.
Sorry to hear you don't read so good.... 2 of the 3 responders responded favorably.
So you did not read this quote: "Since the update in PI 5/5 means nothing as all the numbers in PI are off and you still get massive inconsistencies during extractor placement/installing program/submitting changes and routing"
In my experience, without the skills trained at all, I have learned to ignore the estimates. I just place my heads as close to the most central part of the hotspots as possible and then after I install the program I usually see numbers higher than the estimate. So why would I need to waste my time with those skills even if they did provve accurate for such a minor convenience of having the estimates match the actually numbers? When you learn to play with the sliders you can easily see visually where the richest parts of the deposits are.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aureus
Originally by: Greg Huff
Originally by: Aureus From reading the results from responses of people with the skills trained and with my own experience of having NEITHER of those skills trained at all (or maybe I have Planetology I if it was required for something?) I can only conclude they are completely worthless skills to have.
Sorry to hear you don't read so good.... 2 of the 3 responders responded favorably.
So you did not read this quote: "Since the update in PI 5/5 means nothing as all the numbers in PI are off and you still get massive inconsistencies during extractor placement/installing program/submitting changes and routing" .
You misunderstood the context - the numbers being off is a bug, not a part of the game. CCP themselves have acknowledged this under the "known issues" thread for Incursion. Hopefully, this will be fixed soonish.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Horizonist
Originally by: Aureus
Originally by: Greg Huff
Originally by: Aureus From reading the results from responses of people with the skills trained and with my own experience of having NEITHER of those skills trained at all (or maybe I have Planetology I if it was required for something?) I can only conclude they are completely worthless skills to have.
Sorry to hear you don't read so good.... 2 of the 3 responders responded favorably.
So you did not read this quote: "Since the update in PI 5/5 means nothing as all the numbers in PI are off and you still get massive inconsistencies during extractor placement/installing program/submitting changes and routing" .
You misunderstood the context - the numbers being off is a bug, not a part of the game. CCP themselves have acknowledged this under the "known issues" thread for Incursion. Hopefully, this will be fixed soonish.
Perhaps I have misunderstood. But from the referenced dev quote they are much too vague on what exactly is not working properly with it.
The way I understand it is - you drag your ECU head around the map and you watch the estimate numbers in the corner to see where is the most productive spot. Then you install the program and find that the numbers are significantly different now that it is in operation than the estimated numbers. That is the bug - no?
What I am saying is that why even bother with those estimated numbers. I believe I have figured out a reliable way to place my ecu heads without using the estimates. And those Planetology skills only make those estimates more accurate, right? So if I am not relying on them in the first place then they are useless.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Horizonist on 24/01/2011 17:06:22
Originally by: Aureus
Perhaps I have misunderstood. But from the referenced dev quote they are much too vague on what exactly is not working properly with it.
The way I understand it is - you drag your ECU head around the map and you watch the estimate numbers in the corner to see where is the most productive spot. Then you install the program and find that the numbers are significantly different now that it is in operation than the estimated numbers. That is the bug - no?
What I am saying is that why even bother with those estimated numbers. I believe I have figured out a reliable way to place my ecu heads without using the estimates. And those Planetology skills only make those estimates more accurate, right? So if I am not relying on them in the first place then they are useless.
The planeteology skills, as I understand it, increase the before/after accuracy of the scan - with 5/5 skills, you should be having a near what-you-see-is-what-you accuracy when surveying with the ECU.
With poorer skills, you will both get a more inaccurate scan picture of the planets surface (hotspots not appearing, or appearing where there actually are no hotspots etc), and also a bigger discrepancy between what the survey tells you you will get each hour on average, and what you actually get after installing the program.
So yes, assuming the above holds, and I find it reasonable to believe so, the planetology skills are now more or less crucial. The only thing that really needs fixing is to get the bug out of the system.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:55:00 -
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If you ignore the estimate numbers, or have low P/AP, you resort to either accepting what you get or playing "Extractor Crawl 2.0" - The new and improved version of Extractor Crawl where you would drop multiple extractors, destroy them, then build new ones as you narrowed in on the hot spots. Training your skills to 5/5 allows you to move the extractor heads to find the best resource pools without starting the extraction program, stopping it, moving extractor heads, restarting program, rinse, repeat. With the current volatility of the extraction rates (moving 2 pixels gives 1/2 the rate) it truly is a guessing game without having your skills at 4/4 to 5/5.
IMO ... skills at 4/4 is a minimum, but 5/5 preferred as it truly is a benefit now. Although since that (5/5) is 36 days or so of training I can easily understand why someone wouldn't want to invest the time.
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tpwh21
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:05:00 -
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there seems to be a big difference in the variability of the numbers the better your planetology skills get - but they still vary. I assume at 5/5 they are meant not to vary at all. at 4/4 by a small percentage etc. I will not be training to 5/5 - but i think 4/4 is very worthwhile.
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Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:28:00 -
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if you have still free SP from learnings, try it on sisi, you'll see the difference, from heatmap, from extracting and from the accuracy. _________________ Lost in a realm of eternal ice on the threshold of eternity. |
Aureus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gorongo Frostfyr if you have still free SP from learnings, try it on sisi, you'll see the difference, from heatmap, from extracting and from the accuracy.
Can you get screenshot of this? I'd love to see a side by side comparison of the same planet being scanned by a guy with no planetology compared to someone with 4/4 and then 5/5.
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Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:08:00 -
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have only the heatmap to spare.
4/4 scan1 5/5 scan1
and, the white spots are deeper with 5/5.
4/4 scan2 5/5 scan2 _________________ Lost in a realm of eternal ice on the threshold of eternity. |
Aureus
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Posted - 2011.01.25 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gorongo Frostfyr have only the heatmap to spare.
4/4 scan1 5/5 scan1
and, the white spots are deeper with 5/5.
4/4 scan2 5/5 scan2
Thank you for posting this!
It is quite a significant difference there from 4/4 to 5/5, I am really surprised
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