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Audrey Carrington
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Posted - 2011.01.25 17:10:00 -
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Hi there, I just started playing a few days ago and I am doing the missions for the event agents in Couster. One of them told me that using drones is good as Gallente, and gave me 2 drones Civilian Hobgoblin to use in a mission. They fit in my velator after I trained up the skill to use them. That took about half an hour or so, which I thought was kinda lame considering the mission was ready to go RIGHT NOW, but I got through it. Anyway the skill Drones says that it lets me use one more drone per level, and I trained it to level 3 but the Velator still lets me use only 2 drones. I want to use more because it's pretty cool to just release the hounds, so to speak, and watch them munch on stuff!
So yeah sorry if all of that was confusing, I just want to know how to get my ship to let me use more drones.
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Chal82
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Posted - 2011.01.25 17:26:00 -
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Hi and welcome to Eve, Each level you train allows you to control 1 extra drone in space (upto a max of 5 at Drones V) however your ship requires enough space to store them.
In the details of the show info for your ship it will say drone capacity, I believe the velator is 10m3 which means it can only hold 2 drones.
When you buy a ship with a bigger drone bay you will be able to load up more drones, although to make good use of them it is worth training unto level 5 and then training drone interfacing to increase damage output.
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Lindelwin
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Posted - 2011.01.25 17:29:00 -
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You could buy an Imicus. It's the only T1 frig that can use 3 light drones for Gallente.
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Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.25 17:32:00 -
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There are a few things you need to be able to fly drones.
-) the skill. This is your own ability to control drones. Each point in it enable one more drone (therefore up to 5 drones in space at the same time).
-) the drone bay space of your ship. You can put drones in the normal cargo bay or in the drone bay. But you can only activate the drones that are in the drone bay: those in cargo are just that, cargo. The size of the drone bay can limit the number of activable drones you can fit. Small (light) drones are 5m3, medium drones are 10m3 and large (heavy) drones are 25m3. If you have, say, a 50m3 drone bay you can fit up to 2 large or up to 5 medium or up to 10 light drones. Or a combination of those (like 1 large and 5 light). Of course no matter how many you fit, you can only activate (launch) as many as other factors (like skill or bandwidth).
-) the drone bandwidth of your ship. This is separate from the size of the drone bay. Think of it as the number of radio channels for drone control that your ship has. A light drone requires 5 radio channels to be controlled when in flight. A medium 10 and a heavy 25. Again: the numbers for the drones are the same, but this is not volume, it's bandwidth. The numbers for the ship may not be the same. A ship may have a large drone bay, but not a large bandwidth to control the drones (this means you can have fewer of them in space at the same time).
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.01.25 17:36:00 -
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Also note that every ship has a certain amount of drone bandwith and every drone you launch uses some of that bandwith (e.g. medium drone 10 mbit/sec, heavy attack drone 25 mbit/sec). Not enough bandwith - drone will stay put.
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Audrey Carrington
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Posted - 2011.01.25 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lindelwin You could buy an Imicus. It's the only T1 frig that can use 3 light drones for Gallente.
Really? I had no idea! I bought an Imicus yesterday because someone in Corp chat said that they were good for the probing missions, but I had no idea it was also good for drones. That's a quick fix that I can do right now. Thank you so much!
Originally by: Jacqueline Coeur There are a few things you need to be able to fly drones.
-) the skill. This is your own ability to control drones. Each point in it enable one more drone (therefore up to 5 drones in space at the same time).
-) the drone bay space of your ship. You can put drones in the normal cargo bay or in the drone bay. But you can only activate the drones that are in the drone bay: those in cargo are just that, cargo. The size of the drone bay can limit the number of activable drones you can fit. Small (light) drones are 5m3, medium drones are 10m3 and large (heavy) drones are 25m3. If you have, say, a 50m3 drone bay you can fit up to 2 large or up to 5 medium or up to 10 light drones. Or a combination of those (like 1 large and 5 light). Of course no matter how many you fit, you can only activate (launch) as many as other factors (like skill or bandwidth).
-) the drone bandwidth of your ship. This is separate from the size of the drone bay. Think of it as the number of radio channels for drone control that your ship has. A light drone requires 5 radio channels to be controlled when in flight. A medium 10 and a heavy 25. Again: the numbers for the drones are the same, but this is not volume, it's bandwidth. The numbers for the ship may not be the same. A ship may have a large drone bay, but not a large bandwidth to control the drones (this means you can have fewer of them in space at the same time).
And thank YOU so very much for this explanation. From my understanding, then, my velator could use 1 medium drone or 2 light drones, and an Imicus could use either 3 light drones or 1 medium drone and 1 light drone. Is that right? Also, I noticed that there are different kinds of light drones. One of the enemies in a mission dropped an Acolyte I light drone. How is it different from the light drone Civilian Hobgoblin? It looks pretty cool. Is one better? How do you know?
Thanks again for all these responses, I figured everyone would just laugh at me and call me dumb. :)
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.01.25 19:41:00 -
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In addition to the Drones skill, Drone Interfacing adds damage and HP to your drones to the equivalent of 1 drone per level. A Dominix battleship with good skills will deal the same damage as 15 drones of someone with just Drones V in an unbonused ships.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.01.25 19:53:00 -
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You may want to read the Evelopedia article on drones. Should clear up many basic questions.
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Audrey Carrington
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:02:00 -
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I bought three Hobgoblin I and put them in my Imicus and they really kill things fast. Thanks for the link to that article, I will be reading it while I do missions. Why is the drone Hobgoblin I and Thermic damage type preferred so much? I don't understand why it is better against more targets. Is there information that I can see to show me this? I'm not complaining, I mean my drones Hobgoblin I are kicking ass right now and I am pretty happy with it. I also just put skill Drones to training more so that I can get to skill Drone Interfacing. Thank you again for all this help!
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:12:00 -
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Half an hour of training? How the hell did you manage to sit through that???
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: mkmin on 25/01/2011 20:20:14
Originally by: Audrey Carrington I bought three Hobgoblin I and put them in my Imicus and they really kill things fast. Thanks for the link to that article, I will be reading it while I do missions. Why is the drone Hobgoblin I and Thermic damage type preferred so much? I don't understand why it is better against more targets. Is there information that I can see to show me this? I'm not complaining, I mean my drones Hobgoblin I are kicking ass right now and I am pretty happy with it. I also just put skill Drones to training more so that I can get to skill Drone Interfacing. Thank you again for all this help!
Gallente's weapon focus besides drones is blasters, so CCP put gallente drones as the hard-hitting, slow drones. They do most DPS, and no NPCs are particularly strong against thermic damage. Be aware though, they are slowest and have the hardest time hitting their targets compared to other drones. Even with the drawbacks they still tend to kill their targets faster. You can see the drone information by show-info on them, or use evemon's item browser.
Also, consider training for cruisers before pushing too hard on drone interfacing. Frigs can't make use of the additional drones you'll unlock but a vexor can. (i.e. 20% per level of drone interfacing with 3 drones isn't near as much as 20% of 5 drones a vexor can use)
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:25:00 -
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Here's a recent thread about drones. May shed some light on the differences of racial drones. Linkage
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Audrey Carrington
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage Half an hour of training? How the hell did you manage to sit through that???
I made some soup and was on the phone for most of it.
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Audrey Carrington
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin Edited by: mkmin on 25/01/2011 20:20:14
Originally by: Audrey Carrington I bought three Hobgoblin I and put them in my Imicus and they really kill things fast. Thanks for the link to that article, I will be reading it while I do missions. Why is the drone Hobgoblin I and Thermic damage type preferred so much? I don't understand why it is better against more targets. Is there information that I can see to show me this? I'm not complaining, I mean my drones Hobgoblin I are kicking ass right now and I am pretty happy with it. I also just put skill Drones to training more so that I can get to skill Drone Interfacing. Thank you again for all this help!
Gallente's weapon focus besides drones is blasters, so CCP put gallente drones as the hard-hitting, slow drones. They do most DPS, and no NPCs are particularly strong against thermic damage. Be aware though, they are slowest and have the hardest time hitting their targets compared to other drones. Even with the drawbacks they still tend to kill their targets faster. You can see the drone information by show-info on them, or use evemon's item browser.
Also, consider training for cruisers before pushing too hard on drone interfacing. Frigs can't make use of the additional drones you'll unlock but a vexor can. (i.e. 20% per level of drone interfacing with 3 drones isn't near as much as 20% of 5 drones a vexor can use)
Should I train straight for a Vexor then, or is there something else I should pickup before I start training Gallente Frigate to Level 4?
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Carvix
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:07:00 -
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:40:00 -
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Most ships can only field a few drones at a time.
Frigates can usually field only a few light drones, aside from Ishkur which can field all 5 light drones and has a room for spares (max. 10 light drones). Most cruisers can field at least 1 light drone and often all 5 and some may have 5 mediums or even a full flight of heavy drones (Ishtar). All BS can field at least 3 medium drones and often a full flight of heavy drones.
Ships that have gargantuan drone space and hefty drone bonuses are often referred as "drone ships" (dominix, gila, ishtar, rattle snake and some others) said ships in general suck as gun/missile boats so flying those without good drone skills is often considered pointless if not outright stupid.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Audrey Carrington
Originally by: mkmin Edited by: mkmin on 25/01/2011 20:20:14
Originally by: Audrey Carrington I bought three Hobgoblin I and put them in my Imicus and they really kill things fast. Thanks for the link to that article, I will be reading it while I do missions. Why is the drone Hobgoblin I and Thermic damage type preferred so much? I don't understand why it is better against more targets. Is there information that I can see to show me this? I'm not complaining, I mean my drones Hobgoblin I are kicking ass right now and I am pretty happy with it. I also just put skill Drones to training more so that I can get to skill Drone Interfacing. Thank you again for all this help!
Gallente's weapon focus besides drones is blasters, so CCP put gallente drones as the hard-hitting, slow drones. They do most DPS, and no NPCs are particularly strong against thermic damage. Be aware though, they are slowest and have the hardest time hitting their targets compared to other drones. Even with the drawbacks they still tend to kill their targets faster. You can see the drone information by show-info on them, or use evemon's item browser.
Also, consider training for cruisers before pushing too hard on drone interfacing. Frigs can't make use of the additional drones you'll unlock but a vexor can. (i.e. 20% per level of drone interfacing with 3 drones isn't near as much as 20% of 5 drones a vexor can use)
Should I train straight for a Vexor then, or is there something else I should pickup before I start training Gallente Frigate to Level 4?
Well, I'm a fan of Core Competency certificates. But most importantly, train what you find fun. If you go for a cruiser quickly, make sure you can fit cruiser sized modules before you bother flying it. Also imicus has bonuses per level to drones (just range but still a good one) so training it another level won't be a bad thing even if you don't jump into a cruiser right away. Also consider time costs... a cruiser will take you a day to train frig 4, and maybe another day for all the modules. Drones 5 would take 4-5 days I think (been a while since I've had to train it) and you wouldn't get any direct benefit to your imicus by doing it since it can only use 3 drones anyway.
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Audrey Carrington
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Posted - 2011.01.25 22:42:00 -
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That makes sense to me. I get Gallente Cruiser up so I can actually fly a Vexor and then I will focus on making my Drones skills better. Until then, I'll just stick to my Imicus.
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Easy Target
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.01.25 22:57:00 -
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For drone safety it is recommended to wait for the enemy NPC to lock you (flashy yellow on the overview) before you release the drones. If you do this you never need to lose a drone again. Normal NPC wont retarget your drones.
To do this shoot them first so they agress you. You dont need to hit them, just shoot at them. A gun off your starter ship will do
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Audrey Carrington
Originally by: mkmin
Should I train straight for a Vexor then, or is there something else I should pickup before I start training Gallente Frigate to Level 4?
Yes. Training for Vexor means:
(a) You've unlocked every tech 1 frigate for gallente
(b) You've unlocked every tech 1 cruiser for gallente
(c) You'll be working on armor skills, capacitor skills, and drone skills, which will benefit almost every other ship you'll ever fly in the game.
The only disadvantage I can think of is that you'll probably end up adopting an attitude of "pft, _guns_. we don't need no steenking guns", which will be great if you stick with the drone line (vexor to Myrmidon to Dominix, in order of ascending bee-swarm firepower and size) but will leave you with a big hole in your training if you ever get bored and decide to make a gun-boat (it takes _how_ long to unlock t2 large railguns from no gunnery skills?)
And the guy who told you to follow the certificates has bad ideas, is bad, and should feel bad. Look up things you want in the future, check the prerequisites, and do those, then add SP to things you're having trouble with (running out of cap? cap skills. Can't fit all your modules? fitting skills or skills for those modules) and you'll be fine, and significantly less annoyed by unnecessarily long training queues. ---
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:13:00 -
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Every Gallente mission boats main weapon is drones. Skill up for armor tanking and drones. MOST important drone skill is "drone interfacing" which gives 20% more damage/lvl
Beeing Gallente your path of Ships (for missioning) will be:
Imicus - Vexor - Myrmidon - Dominix
Alternatley you can go:
Imicus - Ishkur - Vexor - Ishtar - Dominix
Let me elaborate on the second one a little bit. The Ishkur is one of Gallentes Assault Frigate (requires Gallene Frigate 5, not a big deal) which can carry 5 light drones, and will bring you through every L1 and L2 with EASE.
The Ishtar is a Gallente Heavy Assault Ship (Cruiser size) and you can do every L3 and most L4 with.
All those boats are armor tankers (usually).
Welcome to eve.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Audrey Carrington Why is the drone Hobgoblin I and Thermic damage type preferred so much? I don't understand why it is better against more targets. Is there information that I can see to show me this?
Hobgoblins are popular because they have a higher Damage Modifier than any of the other drones. Warriors are a popular alternative because they are the fastest type of drone; thus Warriors spend more time shooting and less time travelling. You can view the detailed attributes of the different types of drones by choosing Show Info on the drones.
As for damage types, those depend on the type of rat that you are dealing with. You can read more information in this article.
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Audrey Carrington
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Posted - 2011.01.26 20:04:00 -
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With the different damage types and drones, is there any skill I need to train to make them be better or are they automatically the best against a given pirate NPC? Also how important is it to balance against the damage type preferred by pirate NPCs, versus other players? So far none of my missions have asked me to do anything against other players, but I was under the impression that PVP was a really big part of this game. I think I might be missing something?
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.01.26 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Audrey Carrington Also how important is it to balance against the damage type preferred by pirate NPCs, versus other players?
It is much less important to balance the type of damage that you deal than it is to balance the type of damage that you can tank, especially in PvE.
Using a less than ideal damage type will not hinder you very much. Generally you are able to overwelm NPC's regardless of what type of damage you deal. Picking the best damage type is just a matter of maximizing performance. Often your choice in damage type is influence by your choice in weapons as much as it is by the rats you fight. Besides, rats are optimized so that they are weakest against the weapons that the faction of their home regions use: the rats in Gallente space are weakest against thermal damage anyways.
When tanking against NPC's it is helpful select hardeners that selectively block the damage delt by those rats because you know what types of damage they will be using. When fighting players, it is not as practical to predict the type of damage you will face, so it is more common to select hardeners to get a more even set of resistances. Originally by: Audrey Carrington So far none of my missions have asked me to do anything against other players, but I was under the impression that PVP was a really big part of this game. I think I might be missing something?
Missions will never send you to do anything against other players. PvP is a big part of this game, but what that PvP will involve is mostly left for you to decide. For the most part, missions are a means to earn money so that you can afford to replace ships lost in PvP.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Audrey Carrington With the different damage types and drones, is there any skill I need to train to make them be better or are they automatically the best against a given pirate NPC? Also how important is it to balance against the damage type preferred by pirate NPCs, versus other players? So far none of my missions have asked me to do anything against other players, but I was under the impression that PVP was a really big part of this game. I think I might be missing something?
As a general rule for L1 - L3 missions, you are fine using Gallente drones (Hobgoblin, Hammerheads) against every faction beside Angels (Angel Cartel). Take Warriors for Angel missions.
No agent will give you a mission to shoot another PLAYER. If you talk PvP (Player versus Player) you need different fittings, and maybe even different ships.
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Kacer Xenro
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman As a general rule for L1 - L3 missions, you are fine using Gallente drones (Hobgoblin, Hammerheads) against every faction beside Angels (Angel Cartel). Take Warriors for Angel missions.
No agent will give you a mission to shoot another PLAYER. If you talk PvP (Player versus Player) you need different fittings, and maybe even different ships.
unless you want to do PvP, always, always have a flight of warrior drones, just in case you need to kill that pesky tackling frigate fast, before his friends warps in
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Drahreg
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
The gallente drones seem to be the most popular, as it deals good damage to all targets...
Yes because they deal thermal damage. Thermal damage is the second weakness for most of the NPCs.
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Audrey Carrington
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.27 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kacer Xenro
Originally by: My Postman As a general rule for L1 - L3 missions, you are fine using Gallente drones (Hobgoblin, Hammerheads) against every faction beside Angels (Angel Cartel). Take Warriors for Angel missions.
No agent will give you a mission to shoot another PLAYER. If you talk PvP (Player versus Player) you need different fittings, and maybe even different ships.
unless you want to do PvP, always, always have a flight of warrior drones, just in case you need to kill that pesky tackling frigate fast, before his friends warps in
I am confused as to what you mean. Is there a way that I can carry more drones than I can use? Right now it seems like I can only use the three drones right now. Are you saying I should just use 1 warrior drone?
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Lindelwin
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Posted - 2011.01.27 18:06:00 -
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Ships that are considered "drone boats" can carry more than 1 set of drones. You can only control 5 drones at a time with Drones V but a Myrmidon for instance can store 150m3 worth of drones. Enough for 2 full sets of light and medium drones in the bay.
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Funesta
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Posted - 2011.01.27 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Audrey Carrington
I am confused as to what you mean. Is there a way that I can carry more drones than I can use? Right now it seems like I can only use the three drones right now. Are you saying I should just use 1 warrior drone?
Lots of ships can carry more than 5 drones at a time. You'll run into these ships at the cruiser or battleship level. Any ship designed to hold one full flight of the "medium" sized drones can instead be used to hold two flights of light drones. Most of the drone-oriented combat ships can hold extra drones beyond what you're expected to fly. This is because drones get killed easily, or get left behind in combat when you need to make a fast escape, or get plain old forgotten.
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