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Kahar Dex
Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:55:00 -
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During me daily meditation, a thought came upon me as quite simply: Who are the greatest threat?
Is it the ammoral gallenteans who wish to spear head their democratic and moral anarchy? Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
The question for me begs the question, what shall Amarrian loyalist corps do in this situation? Naturally, we can not just abandon efforts in The Bleak Lands, Providence, etc, but can we afford to ignore the threat of Nation?
God's will be done. I simply wish we had some guidance as to what it is. If the Sansha slaves are truely mindless and cannot be turned to God, then of what import are they? Naturally, if they could be converted into Amarr slaves, and have their souls purged for God's glory, then it would be an assumption that Sansha and nation would be of equal agenda for we the faithful.
These are merely thoughts and ponderances.
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:57:00 -
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Swing by my ship and I'll be your biggest threat
♥ Nikita
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:57:00 -
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I for one, will follow the Empress' leading. She speaks God's will, and will therefore obey. To my knowledge, the Theology Council, nor she has spoken on these matters as of yet. I do however, understand the nature of your question. Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Kahar Dex
Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana Swing by my ship and I'll be your biggest threat
♥ Nikita
If by biggest threat, you mean my eyes becoming sore by the aesthetics of your Matari junk ships, then I can understand your point. Even so... "biggest threat"... that's certainly laughable.
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Stitcher
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:05:00 -
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Ah, good. you didn't mention the Caldari in your list of threats.
looks like The Plan is still working.... -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Mel Lifera
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:22:00 -
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Thank the very stars there are those in the Empire who would prefer not to allow their house to burn down while waiting interminably for their god to tell them whether it's okay to activate the fire suppression system...
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Calathea Sata
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:24:00 -
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Well you see it's rather a question of who you are; if you're Amarr of cause there's your Minmatar people who are angry at you guys and want to kill you all; if you're Caldari you might worry about the Gallente; if you're a normal citizen living in the empire just living your life following your empire's way of life than perhaps Kuvakei is a big threat. Being an Amarr yourself there are several things that can be counted as threats on your hand and at the moment Kuvakei is of no doubt a very big threat to you and to me and to the rest of the empires.
It's almost funny if you step back and take a look at us, humans. We keep fighting eachother over different ideals and ways of life and there's just no end to this, even with something so "inhuman" like Sansha's Nation they also possess the same natural habit to turn it into an "us or them" situation; perhaps we humans is just a kind of animal that simply do not have the capability to cope with differences among ourselves which is in fact one of the beautiful things of lifeforms.
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Lord Maximullis
Amarr Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
crap
What a load of utter ****. Honestly, how credulous morons like yourself ever get a pod license I'll never know. |
Large Collidable Object
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Posted - 2011.01.26 01:20:00 -
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My biggest threat is you, stop colliding into me!
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Ostos Marek
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Posted - 2011.01.26 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
If the Sansha slaves are truely mindless and cannot be turned to God, then of what import are they? Naturally, if they could be converted into Amarr slaves, and have their souls purged for God's glory, then it would be an assumption that Sansha and nation would be of equal agenda for we the faithful.
These are merely thoughts and ponderances.
You are not alone in these ideas. House Marek, and our S.E.P. facilities are diligently at work trying to see if this can be accomplished. It is proving to be a complex task of deconstructing the interfaces of their bio-hardware as much of the known "needed" parts of the brain are missing or mutalated from the intial procedures that rendered them the obedient zombie's they are today. Even with that being said, trials appear that it may be possible to successfully "disconnect" one of them and bring them back into their normal human state.
After testing 100 captured sansha pilots/crew The only drawbacks are that: A.) The person is no longer fully themselves. If able to be "disconnected" then that the person lives at a high functioning mentally challenged individual at best. B.) So far nearly 73 of all tested have died, 20 have survived with a comparible I.Q. of fourty-five, 6 have a comparible I.Q. of seventy, and 1 yet to be determined.
It is the belief of House Marek and the scientists and handlers at the S.E.P. facilities that with more research, we can bring many of these people back from the prison of the soul that is their current state, and help them to become productive members of society once again. I will post most once more test results come back. ~Ostos Marek~
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Beatrix Heyn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.26 02:17:00 -
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Really? We Gallente with our immodest dress and personal freedoms just might be a greater threat than a megalomaniac driven to turn the entire cluster into his mind-slaves?
I cannot say I'm too terribly surprised. After all, Sansha's goal draws some strong parallels to the "Reclaiming" or whatever you call it.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
During me daily meditation, a thought came upon me as quite simply: Who are the greatest threat?
Is it the ammoral gallenteans who wish to spear head their democratic and moral anarchy? Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
The question for me begs the question, what shall Amarrian loyalist corps do in this situation? Naturally, we can not just abandon efforts in The Bleak Lands, Providence, etc, but can we afford to ignore the threat of Nation?
God's will be done. I simply wish we had some guidance as to what it is. If the Sansha slaves are truely mindless and cannot be turned to God, then of what import are they? Naturally, if they could be converted into Amarr slaves, and have their souls purged for God's glory, then it would be an assumption that Sansha and nation would be of equal agenda for we the faithful.
These are merely thoughts and ponderances.
That depends; the Sansha are definately the largest threat to all of New Eden, including the Empire. We dont want to destroy the Empire, we want you to free our brothers and sisters and then leave us alone.
To you personally? It's a toss-up, really; the Matari people, or your own ego.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:04:00 -
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They are all threats to the Empire, but the Sansha also hate the Republic and the Federation.
I say let them fight each like two fedos in a bag.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake They are all threats to the Empire, but the Sansha also hate the Republic and the Federation.
I say let them fight each like two fedos in a bag.
You would not be so quick to scoff if the bastions of the other three nations were overrun by Kuvakei's new plague and you were left to fight all the threats of this world alone. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake They are all threats to the Empire, but the Sansha also hate the Republic and the Federation.
I say let them fight each like two fedos in a bag.
You would not be so quick to scoff if the bastions of the other three nations were overrun by Kuvakei's new plague and you were left to fight all the threats of this world alone.
I'm more than happy to help defend Caldari space when required, and indeed I've done just that in the past.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm more than happy to help defend Caldari space when required, and indeed I've done just that in the past.
Your lack of foresight is endemic to Amarrians. Remember that last time this happened, it required the unified efforts of all four empires to crush Kuvakei and his Nation. He's substantially more experienced now than he was back then, and he has technology far more advanced than the first time - and remember, whatever else he might have become - madman, genocidal maniac, self-proclaimed embodiment of God - he is still a genius with a nearly unrivalled intellect and a will of iron. He fully intends to utterly destroy every human society and rebuild them in his own image, and he possesses the means to do it - and brutally murder the ones who resist.
The Amarr can choose to ignore the plight of other nations if they wish, but it will, in the long run, blow up in their faces. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/01/2011 11:09:30
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm more than happy to help defend Caldari space when required, and indeed I've done just that in the past.
Your lack of foresight is endemic to Amarrians. Remember that last time this happened, it required the unified efforts of all four empires to crush Kuvakei and his Nation. He's substantially more experienced now than he was back then, and he has technology far more advanced than the first time - and remember, whatever else he might have become - madman, genocidal maniac, self-proclaimed embodiment of God - he is still a genius with a nearly unrivalled intellect and a will of iron. He fully intends to utterly destroy every human society and rebuild them in his own image, and he possesses the means to do it - and brutally murder the ones who resist.
The Amarr can choose to ignore the plight of other nations if they wish, but it will, in the long run, blow up in their faces.
It's not a simple case of ignoring the plight of other nations - it's more about not defending nations that are at war with the Empire.
If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance, then perhaps they should ask for a ceasefire, or perhaps they shouldn't have launched an illegal and unprovoked attack on the Empire in the first place.
After all, why should we defend someone who is certain to not only be ungrateful, but would undoubtedly seek to destroy us at the first available opportunity?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Maddox Yung
Trigger works DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex racist propaganda
honestly!
i mean seriously!
Sanshas Nation is at our doorstep trying to tear us apart....
and you decide to chew on US.... who are helping YOUR people to defend against the attacks.... while YOUR navy sits and watches....
am i missing something?
the last time i looked i found more gallente and minmatar on these nation battlefields than i could see amarrians! i mean Come On!!!! ***********************
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a simple case of ignoring the plight of other nations - it's more about not defending nations that are at war with the Empire.
If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance, then perhaps they should ask for a ceasefire, or perhaps they shouldn't have launched an illegal and unprovoked attack on the Empire in the first place.
After all, why should we defend someone who is certain to not only be ungrateful, but would undoubtedly seek to destroy us at the first available opportunity?
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a simple case of ignoring the plight of other nations - it's more about not defending nations that are at war with the Empire.
If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance, then perhaps they should ask for a ceasefire, or perhaps they shouldn't have launched an illegal and unprovoked attack on the Empire in the first place.
After all, why should we defend someone who is certain to not only be ungrateful, but would undoubtedly seek to destroy us at the first available opportunity?
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
Why should we give up our way of life to satisfy a bunch of psychopathic iconoclasts?
The Shakorites started the war, why should we reward them for their aggression by giving in to them?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:34:00 -
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Even if I understand your view, Mr Ixiris, Admiral Blake has a point.
The Republic doomed itself alone with this attack, just when the state of the thing you mentionned for the cease-fire was improving in the hand of progressives. Now, the leaders have changed and hardened, and I wonder if the peace and consensus was really what the Republic wanted.
I think you are more cleaver than that. These radical politics mainly came from social as much as economical factors, not from the ideological reasons used to enforce them. |
Maximum Kiely
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
Who are the greatest threat?
Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
MMMą that's a mighty tasty bit of hypocrisy there.
It is not "who" is the biggest threat, it is what and the answer is forces of oppression, bigotry and tyranny in whatever form they take.
I do not believe the Emperor and the 5 despots in waiting speak for all Amarr just as I know the Caldari corporate tyrants do not speak for me. The forces of liberty and freedom in all factions must rise together and leave all other labels of division behind. If we can do that, no force can oppose us and perhaps history will regard the thwarted invasion by Sansha to be a blessing.
In crisis lies opportunity.
Now based out of Molden Heath! - Contact Maximum Kiely |
Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rytha Main on 27/01/2011 03:26:56 Edited by: Rytha Main on 27/01/2011 03:24:22
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Originally by: Kahar Dex
Who are the greatest threat?
Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
MMMą that's a mighty tasty bit of hypocrisy there.
It is not "who" is the biggest threat, it is what and the answer is forces of oppression, bigotry and tyranny in whatever form they take.
I do not believe the Emperor and the 5 despots in waiting speak for all Amarr just as I know the Caldari corporate tyrants do not speak for me. The forces of liberty and freedom in all factions must rise together and leave all other labels of division behind. If we can do that, no force can oppose us and perhaps history will regard the thwarted invasion by Sansha to be a blessing.
In crisis lies opportunity.
It is only seemingly hypocrisy for the ignorant.
True freedom comes from being in a relationship with the one true God. He sets us on the righteous path and is the sum of all things desired. While some may be quick to say that "slavery is not freedom", I respond by saying "you are right, but only while maintaining a simplistic view of it all".
For those who truly desire to live a life unto God, they will tell you themselves that a purging is necessary, a washing away of old habits, idiosyncrasies, and pet sins. God instituted this slavery as a means to cleanse a man's soul.
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5"
God will often sail us through the roughest seas, if only to make us the finest sailing vessels possible. Therefore I repeat myself: True freedom comes from knowing God. And He has charged Amarr with bringing his word to the nations. If you want true freedom, join us.
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rek Jaiga on 27/01/2011 03:58:41
Originally by: Rytha Main
It is only seemingly hypocrisy for the ignorant.
True freedom comes from being in a relationship with the one true God. He sets us on the righteous path and is the sum of all things desired. While some may be quick to say that "slavery is not freedom", I respond by saying "you are right, but only while maintaining a simplistic view of it all".
For those who truly desire to live a life unto God, they will tell you themselves that a purging is necessary, a washing away of old habits, idiosyncrasies, and pet sins. God instituted this slavery as a means to cleanse a man's soul.
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5"
God will often sail us through the roughest seas, if only to make us the finest sailing vessels possible. Therefore I repeat myself: True freedom comes from knowing God. And He has charged Amarr with bringing his word to the nations. If you want true freedom, join us.
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
So what of some Holders who live lives of luxury and indulgence? Shouldn't the Theology Council punish their hedonism, as it distracts them from the ultimate goal of knowing God and His will??
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Vikarion
Caldari draketrain
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Posted - 2011.01.27 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Ah, good. you didn't mention the Caldari in your list of threats.
looks like The Plan is still working....
Shush! - - -
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Kahar Dex
Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a depraved and scattered primitive tribal civilization. We came to bring God's word and brought them a way of life that leads to knowing God. Not only this, but we have striven towards peace. It was not for nothing that Emperor Heideran won the Aidonis. And after our efforts to bring stability and peace, the Matari terrorists lead an unprovoked attack into the Ammatar mandate devastating the economy. It is no wonder that not all Minmatar wanted to board the "rescue vessels".
We return and repair the economy, build schools, hospitals, etc. And how are we repaid? With terrorism.
Where you insinuate that slavery is wrong, we prove that it is for the good of the unfaithful.
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Rytha Main on 27/01/2011 04:17:11
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
So what of some Holders who live lives of luxury and indulgence? Shouldn't the Theology Council punish their hedonism, as it distracts them from the ultimate goal of knowing God and His will??
Heirs, Holders, and individuals alike are all held accountable to God as well as their fellow man. This has been demonstrated time, and time again. While we do not (and never have) claimed perfection, we do journey on the pilgrim's progress with God's aid.
Additionally, of the many holders I do know. Yes, they hold wealth, but they are Godly men and women who act as wise stewards of the money God has entrusted to them. Those who do not live according to God's will are punished accordingly as already mentioned. Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rytha Main
Heirs, Holders, and individuals alike are all held accountable to God as well as their fellow man. This has been demonstrated time, and time again. While we do not (and never have) claimed perfection, we do journey on the pilgrim's progress with God's aid.
Additionally, of the many holders I do know. Yes, they hold wealth, but they are Godly men and women who act as wise stewards of the money God has entrusted to them. Those who do not live according to God's will are punished accordingly as already mentioned.
It's good to see that there is a sense of justice among Holders and others of the Amarrian gentry.
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Horatio Pegasii
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Posted - 2011.01.27 05:10:00 -
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Which of the three are wanted by CONCORD and seen as a dangerous pirate organization again?
Minmatar might have been slaves in the past, but many of them are working together with Amarrian Capsuleer on combat assignments when needed to. I would say the majority of them are not terrorists anymore, but closer to what used to be called "political activists".
Gallentes are a strange bunch, but "democracy" seems to have worked well-enough for them. Maybe it would be time for the Amarr Empire to take notice of it, as well!
The fact I see Sansha ships raiding mining lanes, civilian convoys and disrupting traffic might be a hint of which one is the greatest threat, after all.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a prospering and peaceful living spacefaring tribal civilization. We came with massive warships to bring destruction and abducted millions into a life of suffering, abuse and humiliation.
Fixed it for you.
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