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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.26 05:44:00 -
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So after a day a quick look at the map shows that 7407 player ships have been destroyed in the 3 highsec incursions in the first 24 hours.
The highest losses have been in the Algintal constellation, with 4334 losses, 2421 in Colelie alone (highest loss system). (To 9161 NPC wrecks in Algintal.)
Araz has 1695 losses, 815 in Munory.
Obray has 1378 losses, 505 in Eletta.
The lowsec site in Joas has seen far less participation, with only 180 total losses, 71 in Khabi.
The nullsec sites have seen very few losses, with only 153 total ships lost between the three.
1M4-FN has 77 losses, 44 in 0-TRV1.
R-M719 has 52 losses, 16 in Q-GQHN.
8MJ0-4 has 24 losses, 16 in 6T31-L.
Brisk business to be had here, thank God incursions donÆt give penalties to profits.
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2011.01.26 07:06:00 -
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can you find out how many of those kills were from sansha and how many from concord?
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: laksmi2 can you find out how many of those kills were from sansha and how many from concord?
I donÆt know, plus IÆm too lazy to find out. Besides for our purposes it doesnÆt really matter, ships need replacing either way. Obviously losses will decrease as people get a handle on it. I think if rather complete shops can be set up, and of course moved along with the incursions people should be willing to pay a hefty convenience fee for one stop shopping. Many items are still listed at pretty normal prices there. Either holdover stock from before it started or from people who have apparently never gone into a convenience store and noticed everything is priced nearly double from traditional outlets.
Personally my pockets arenÆt all that deep, I donÆt manufacture any applicable T2 products, and I donÆt make and canÆt really transport ships. So I figured the more the merrier, and somebody with pockets deep enough to relist existing stocks can help keep those prices of convenience intact much better than I ever could with my very limited exposure.
They need ships, mods, drones, ammo and rigs. Unless an incursion hits a major trade constellation/region, many probably donÆt want to go too far to get back into the fight just to save a buck or do a price check.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:57:00 -
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Resistance penalties and neuts penalise active tank setup, so we can expect to see fits closer to those for PvP, large passive buffer tanks resulting in demand on large (T2/named) armour plates, shield extenders and cap-less resistance mods. Ships wise the demand is going to be for disposable (cheap) heavy hitting ships that favour passive tanking and damage mods. Sansha damage is a pain to tank because they hit hard with EM against shields and hard with thermal against armour.
Favoured offensive damage is EM/Thermal Ammo and with penalties expect increased demand for T2/Faction to offset the handicap. These have already seen a significant decrease in stock and increase in price in Sinq.
The new NPC AI hates drones and can quickly pop even T2 so expect an initial spike in EM drones but then a sharp drop as Capsuleers change tactics away from drones and start to use cheap disposable T1 drones.
My feeling is Gallente pilots are going to have a very hard time because of their focus on active armour tanks and drones.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:10:00 -
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Suspicious of anyone telling other people where good markets to go are. Suspect you want the market to be supplied so you buy your goods cheaper, rather than you being a marketeer trying to make a profit. Also suspect 99% of people thought of this already.
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 Suspicious of anyone telling other people where good markets to go are. Suspect you want the market to be supplied so you buy your goods cheaper, rather than you being a marketeer trying to make a profit. Also suspect 99% of people thought of this already.
YouÆre awfully suspicious arenÆt you? IÆd suspect 99.99% of people thought of it already, I was just awestruck by the huge number of ship losses, and figured IÆd save others the hassle of looking up the numbers and adding them up, since I already did it for my own curiosity.
The systems with the highest ship losses arenÆt centrally located in the constellations, so maybe not the best spots to stock, maybe they areà
I havenÆt warped into a single incursion battle, nor do I intend to. If I wanted to buy goods cheaper, then why would I be advocating a concerted effort to price gouge in the incursion areas? I put a small number of mods up in one of them, no huge layout on my part, just my play style of dabbling in this and that. One stop shopping is dependant on ships being available; theyÆll buy everything else as close as possible to where they get the ship. Otherwise itÆs just ammo and drones.
With over 7000 ships lost in a single weekday, thereÆs more than enough to go around and no one person or corp can corner that instantly or at all. I was mostly surprised at the lack of price gouging in the area I checked. These are supposed to be war zones, I donÆt know how long they last before de-spawning and moving elsewhere, but hopefully itÆs long enough for the serious traders (i.e. not me) to leave the local markets just as devastated as the capsuleer fleets. Then pack it all up and move to the next one for however long they produce such insane numbers of player wrecks. There hasnÆt even been a weekend with these things yetà
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 26/01/2011 13:12:36
Originally by: Caldariftw123 Suspicious of anyone telling other people where good markets to go are. Suspect you want the market to be supplied so you buy your goods cheaper, rather than you being a marketeer trying to make a profit. Also suspect 99% of people thought of this already.
Sometimes people just like to show off their insight.
Plus the benefit of the network effect of having the market filled with related items out weights the risk from additional competition. I think this is probably a case were that would hold true because even the largest market makers would struggle to meet the total peak demand here.
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Tribal Trader
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:36:00 -
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I just jumped down to look at the local market in Bei - The trading volume in Bei has not changed since the incursion, i'm guessing it'll be different over the weekend. But, i think a lot of people who lose ships go back to grind isk in lvl 4's before buying their next one.
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Party Grinder
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Ships wise the demand is going to be for disposable (cheap) heavy hitting ships that favour passive tanking and damage mods. Sansha damage is a pain to tank because they hit hard with EM against shields and hard with thermal against armour.
Favoured offensive damage is EM/Thermal Ammo and with penalties expect increased demand for T2/Faction to offset the handicap. These have already seen a significant decrease in stock and increase in price in Sinq.
Repeat after me, Incursions Sansha omnitank and deal omnidamage. Omnitank. Omnidamage. Or maybe not, that's probably the reason people are loosing so many ships, since they all fit their ships for EM/therm damage
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.26 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Party Grinder
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Ships wise the demand is going to be for disposable (cheap) heavy hitting ships that favour passive tanking and damage mods. Sansha damage is a pain to tank because they hit hard with EM against shields and hard with thermal against armour.
Favoured offensive damage is EM/Thermal Ammo and with penalties expect increased demand for T2/Faction to offset the handicap. These have already seen a significant decrease in stock and increase in price in Sinq.
Repeat after me, Incursions Sansha omnitank and deal omnidamage. Omnitank. Omnidamage. Or maybe not, that's probably the reason people are loosing so many ships, since they all fit their ships for EM/therm damage
Relevant words emboldened for emphasis.
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lord xavier
K-Tech Research
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Posted - 2011.01.26 18:56:00 -
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Omnitanked and OmniDamage is correct. They used sleeper technology to enhance the ships they have now. They are very well tanked, they are very damage intensified and, they stole everyones cookies D8<
I have dealt the same damage no matter what kind of missiles I used. So, EM/Thermal is not the best to use against them. ---------------------------------- Biomass is free (of) Eve4life! |
Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:59:00 -
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Trouble is a lot of these incursions are kind of close to existing trade hubs. Unless you can fully fit a ship here at not too high a price, it's still better to buy a shuttle fly to a hub and grab stuff there.
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