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Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:11:00 -
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I'm a level 3 mission runner, and I can only go for 50.000 ISK sites or nowhere. Or I have to wait 1-2-3 months to train for Vanguards... Why CCP forget players around 3-10 million SP? There should be a new incursion stage below Vanguard and above the first. Maybe restricted to battlecruisers or something.
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Asurymen
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:11:00 -
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No
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Mister Cletus
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:13:00 -
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Yes. Incursion is badly broken as it is, so why not?
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Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Asurymen No
Why not?
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Asurymen
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:15:00 -
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High risk = high reward. To get there, you have to work for it. Universal rule of Eve. Don't nerf Incursions, the tears are delicious
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Archbeholder
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:15:00 -
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There should be incursion for players who have 2,1-2,2 mil sp as well
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:17:00 -
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there should be incursions for noob ships and shuttles and pods _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Asurymen High risk = high reward. To get there, you have to work for it. Universal rule of Eve. Don't nerf Incursions, the tears are delicious
Lol. I haven't said any nerf. I said there should be a stage for the players who have less skillpoints and not ready for T2 reppers and BS flying. It can be about 1-3 million ISK reward. Read carefully next time.
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Asurymen
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lyndsey Love
Originally by: Asurymen High risk = high reward. To get there, you have to work for it. Universal rule of Eve. Don't nerf Incursions, the tears are delicious
Lol. I haven't said any nerf. I said there should be a stage for the players who have less skillpoints and not ready for T2 reppers and BS flying. It can be about 1-3 million ISK reward. Read carefully next time.
Why should CCP make an easier section because you can't be bothered working towards a T2 tank? Like I said, you want to run Incursions, work towards it, like you do with everything else.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:20:00 -
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I agree its stupid..but wasn't this going to bring a bunch of new players to eve?Don't see what it offers them.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 26/01/2011 15:24:42 We have level 4 missions for beginners to try out their ships with.
After that they should do Red vs Blue or Faction Warfare for a month, and then only then they should be ready to be an integrated part in a lean mean incursion smashing machine.
Originally by: HeIIfire11 I agree its stupid..but wasn't this going to bring a bunch of new players to eve?Don't see what it offers them.
A looting / salvaging opportunity?
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Galdoson
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Asurymen To get there, you have to work for it.
Err wrong! What work? what you talking about?
You mean wait for the skill tree to grow?
And yes incursion as totaly left out anyone with less then a few million skill points, and what with the resist/fire-power nerfs these sites give you, its like taking away a few months of training, ya good idea CCP, a game thats all about skills you remove them! what the hell are you on?
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Asurymen
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 26/01/2011 15:24:42 We have level 4 missions for beginners to try out their ships with.
After that they should do Red vs Blue or Faction Warfare for a month, and then only then they should be ready to be an integrated part in a lean mean incursion smashing machine.
Originally by: HeIIfire11 I agree its stupid..but wasn't this going to bring a bunch of new players to eve?Don't see what it offers them.
A looting / salvaging opportunity?
What he said
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Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Asurymen
Originally by: Lyndsey Love
Originally by: Asurymen High risk = high reward. To get there, you have to work for it. Universal rule of Eve. Don't nerf Incursions, the tears are delicious
Lol. I haven't said any nerf. I said there should be a stage for the players who have less skillpoints and not ready for T2 reppers and BS flying. It can be about 1-3 million ISK reward. Read carefully next time.
Why should CCP make an easier section because you can't be bothered working towards a T2 tank? Like I said, you want to run Incursions, work towards it, like you do with everything else.
I try to explain:
Imagine a player who is 2-5 month old, runs level 3 missions with battlecruiser. (For example me). Maybe he has T2 guns or tank, maybe he is just at the start of doing level 3's. The first stage incursion site is too easy for that player, but for the 2nd (Vanguard), he needs to train months. Imagine that player has not so much friends, he can't be useful in lots of corps (where ratting BS and things like that needed). So if there would be an incursion stage for that kind of players, they can train feet-fights, make friends, and learn group play, and they will be more trained when they reach the requirements to join a 0.0 corp or something. Sory for my english, I hope u got what I'd like to say.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:27:00 -
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Just group up with some other newish players and you should be fine with Vanguards I believe. --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:28:00 -
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To new players, there is plenty of PVE content for you, that is, all pve content until now.
To those who think skill points = success at incursions, please fleet me, I want to loot your ships. Best regards, Apollo Gabriel
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Meg Deminer
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:31:00 -
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I agree with the OP. At the very least I would expect CCP to be able to give a valid reason why this has been done - not the irreverant ramblings of forum trolls. I have to admit I wasnt even aware that there was a skill requirement to be able to enjoy of the content.
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Salliene
Gallente Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Asurymen
Why should CCP make an easier section because you can't be bothered working towards a T2 tank? Like I said, you want to run Incursions, work towards it, like you do with everything else.
Yes, you need to go through the brutal training process of clicking on "Train Skill Now" for a few months before you will be personally experienced and good enough to do an Incursion site.
The OP has a point, there is no reason (other than content designer time priorities) that there could not be CHALLENGING and DIFFICULT incursion sites for newer players. It's all just a matter of scaling down the damage output and entry requirements for the sites.
You all sound like WoW players. "Stop making Deadmines more fun and focus on the level 85+ stuff!!"
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Asurymen
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lyndsey Love
I try to explain:
Imagine a player who is 2-5 month old, runs level 3 missions with battlecruiser. (For example me). Maybe he has T2 guns or tank, maybe he is just at the start of doing level 3's. The first stage incursion site is too easy for that player, but for the 2nd (Vanguard), he needs to train months. Imagine that player has not so much friends, he can't be useful in lots of corps (where ratting BS and things like that needed). So if there would be an incursion stage for that kind of players, they can train feet-fights, make friends, and learn group play, and they will be more trained when they reach the requirements to join a 0.0 corp or something. Sory for my english, I hope u got what I'd like to say.
Incursions arent meant to be a land of skipping bunny rabbits where you go to make friends, learn how a fleet works, and make yourself feel that little bit more important because you ran an Incursion site. There are plenty of PvE elements in Eve where you can do that, heck, go find a WH corp that's recruiting, that actually ticks all the boxes!
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lyndsey Love
Originally by: Asurymen High risk = high reward. To get there, you have to work for it. Universal rule of Eve. Don't nerf Incursions, the tears are delicious
Lol. I haven't said any nerf. I said there should be a stage for the players who have less skillpoints and not ready for T2 reppers and BS flying. It can be about 1-3 million ISK reward. Read carefully next time.
You can manage vanguards in BCs with modest t1 named/t2/faction fits, assuming you have with competent players with you
i don't think it's needed _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
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Matalino
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lyndsey Love Imagine that player has not so much friends.
For incursions, you don't need to be a vetern player, but you do need friends. Incursions are group content. If you are not in a group you will fail. Group + Trust = Friends.
If you want solo PvE content stick to missions. Solo incursions = kill sansha's missions.
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Uozi
Gallente SUBX Missions Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Asurymen
Originally by: Lyndsey Love
I try to explain:
Imagine a player who is 2-5 month old, runs level 3 missions with battlecruiser. (For example me). Maybe he has T2 guns or tank, maybe he is just at the start of doing level 3's. The first stage incursion site is too easy for that player, but for the 2nd (Vanguard), he needs to train months. Imagine that player has not so much friends, he can't be useful in lots of corps (where ratting BS and things like that needed). So if there would be an incursion stage for that kind of players, they can train feet-fights, make friends, and learn group play, and they will be more trained when they reach the requirements to join a 0.0 corp or something. Sory for my english, I hope u got what I'd like to say.
Incursions arent meant to be a land of skipping bunny rabbits where you go to make friends, learn how a fleet works, and make yourself feel that little bit more important because you ran an Incursion site. There are plenty of PvE elements in Eve where you can do that, heck, go find a WH corp that's recruiting, that actually ticks all the boxes!
Well, the thing is, the expansion comes to draw in new players.. We recently parted ways with the month or so of practicing how to practice efficiently (learning skills). Now a new roadblock has been setup. What would take the enjoyment out of your game, if they were to include an extra set of sites that suite those needs in between? No one was talking about making the other sites easier. I think it is a great idea! (though I will probably not be using it)
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D'Leh Mannuck
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:51:00 -
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Thing is that when incursions for newer players get's introduced what would keep high skilled people from running them?
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:55:00 -
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There wouldnt be any fear factor if the incursions were meant to be fought off by anyone.
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Luminos
Durid is 4 Fite
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene You all sound like WoW players. "Stop making Deadmines more fun and focus on the level 85+ stuff!!"
Sshhhhh.... If WoW players think we have low end content they might all come over here. Just imagine EvE with 7 million people logged on at the same time. The fire in CCP's server room might burn down all of Iceland. ______
I feel as though I could do anything. For example, stab this cheese knife into the Self-Taught Man's eye. |
Archbeholder
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: D'Leh Mannuck Thing is that when incursions for newer players get's introduced what would keep high skilled people from running them?
The same thing that keeps high skilled people from running level 1 missions.
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Ieva Ibori
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:09:00 -
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Please make incursion sites for Hulks.... We mine them to death!
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Tsetra
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:13:00 -
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Why should you be able to run lots of Incursion sites while you are still young?
Being able to do everything within the first few months in EVE will make for a very boring and probally short lived stay in EVE since there is nothing for you to do when you are skilled up...
NO you should not be handed everything on a plate. YES you should have to WORK towards some things.
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Salliene
Gallente Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tsetra
NO you should not be handed everything on a plate. YES you should have to WORK towards some things.
But there's really not much work involved, is there?
Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete!
Yay! I'm good enough now!
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Glyken Touchon
Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ieva Ibori Please make incursion sites for Hulks.... We mine them to death!
I refer you to the Nation Mining Colony Originally by: journal Forces Required: 5 - 10 pilots
Military Intelligence: Your primary objective is to destroy the SanshaÆs Nation battle station. Clearing the area of hostile forces should decloak the NationÆs ore refinery. Mine the local Lyavite asteroids and transport the ore to the refinery. The chain reaction caused by refining the explosive ore will tear the battle station apart.
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