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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:17:00 -
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Guys, I'm a huge Amarr fan. I mainly fly Amarr ships, and I love em.
My question is simple...is the absolution worth its weight when compared to the other command ships? I'm 1 week from flying it...battelcruisers 5 was a pain the the @$$ to be paitent on...but i'ts almost there.
I know the slipnir is a bad ass command ship...can the absolution (assuming the poilet has good skills w/ amar technology....eg ME) beet the slipnir?
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:25:00 -
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I've seen a lot more of these lately. Yes they are awesome and you will love it.
Don't underestimate the Damnation either - that thing has probably the most beastly armour tank in game - add some Slaves and you could probably tank that planet killing Deathstar.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:29:00 -
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Asking can X ship beat Y is usually based on too many factors to make the question easy to answer.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: NinjaSpud on 27/01/2011 23:40:25
Originally by: Sader Rykane Asking can X ship beat Y is usually based on too many factors to make the question easy to answer.
you make a solid point.. I suppose I just want to hear what is more popular these days...
Originally by: Aquana Abyss I've seen a lot more of these lately. Yes they are awesome and you will love it.
Don't underestimate the Damnation either - that thing has probably the most beastly armour tank in game - add some Slaves and you could probably tank that planet killing Deathstar.
hahaha I love it...damnation is second on the list...as an amarr pilot, i dont have alot of missile skils yet..just laser
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:42:00 -
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Don't fly a Damnation with the intentions of using it to kill people, a damnation and a absolution are not the same, not even close.
I'm fully trained in pretty much every Amarrian Ship, capital and subcap, but I have still yet to fly a Damnation because I do not have leadership skills to support it.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:43:00 -
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Absolution is bad ass at Command Ships V.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ |
NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore
Absolution is bad ass at Command Ships V.
i'm afraid to think of how long that will take
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Tekitha
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.28 00:19:00 -
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in an armor tanked gang where BS's are just too cumbersome the absolution is surpassed only by the proteus and legion (certainly in terms of tank, maybe just the proteus for DPS) they are great ships.
the Sleipnir is completely different, for a start its shield tanked (often actively) and is more of a skirmishy hit and run type ship. Don't believe the hype! |
Jim Tudeski
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Posted - 2011.01.28 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aquana Abyss I've seen a lot more of these lately. Yes they are awesome and you will love it.
Don't underestimate the Damnation either - that thing has probably the most beastly armour tank in game - add some Slaves and you could probably tank that planet killing Deathstar.
Both the Proteus and Legion can have more armor/EHP than the Damnation. Js.
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Ultim8Evil
Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:00:00 -
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[Absolution, PvP Freak] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Scrambler II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5
787 DPS (891 heated) @ 7.5 + 4.8km with Imp Multis 647 DPS (730 heated) @ 23 + 4.8km with Scorch 980m/s (1386 heated) 71k EHP with LG Slaves
Swap out the faction for T2 if you're a penny-pinching bastard.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Val'Dore
Absolution is bad ass at Command Ships V.
i'm afraid to think of how long that will take
Length tends to be a relative thing after you spend a while in Eve....
*Glances at my own skill plan: Amarr Carrier V 4 days 3 hours 55 minutes and 30 seconds.
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Ultim8Evil
Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Val'Dore
Absolution is bad ass at Command Ships V.
i'm afraid to think of how long that will take
It is well worth it. The bonus on the Abso is a double turret one; +5% damage and -5% ROF. Skilling from 4->5 added 70 dps to my current fit, which is pretty decent.
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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:19:00 -
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I can fly both Minmatar and both Amarr command ships. Not exactly sure what you are training these for? You ask if an Absolution can "beet a Slipnir"(sic). Assuming you are not asking about vegetables, and might be asking about a one on one dual between the two ships, I will answer that your question is pretty much academic and you will not encounter such an event on tranqulity. If somehow amazingly you did find one, you would probably find that the Sleipnir has the upper hand because it can vary damage type to take advantage of the Absolution's resists hole(s), while the Absolution is stuck whipping the Sleipnir with em/therm to which the Sleip has rather high resists.
However, that is not to say that the Absolution is a bad ship. In PVE it is probably the best ship for npc-ing rogue drones imo. It can put out a lot of em damage and has high resist to explo, which is the rogue drones highest damage type. While it's resist are good against angels it's damage infliction is not. Against blood raiders and Sansha it's tech II kinetic and explo reisists are largely wasted even though the em damage it shoots is nice. So, if you live a renter corp in the drone slums you will have probably the best ship for npc-ing there on par with or better than a shield tanking missile boat.
In PVP it makes a great damage dealer, just a rather expensive one to lose.
The Damnation and Claymore are ships you fly in pvp fleets to provide warfare link bonuses to the fleet. The Claymore has some ability to do small gang stuff as well but it will have to be nano'd some and will have less tank and will be a potentially expensive loss as well. It's really not worth flying these ships unless you are going to commit to training Wing Command 5 at least imo. I trained fleet command 5, want to talk about a ***** of a skill train.
That being said you can press these two ships into service as level 4 boats if say you have a damnation but your only other option is Amarr BS and you just got an angel or gurista mission you won't/can't decline. Imo it's better to have a second race of BS trained to do those missions anyway. Same goes for the Claymore if say your main mission BS is a Mael and you get a blood raider or sansha mission you want to run. Both will be slow but safe going in the command ship, but you would be better served with an appropriate second racial BS trained as your fallback instead of the command ship.
So basically, if you have the ability to lose some money and really like the possibility of outdamaging the zealots on a roam the absolution is a potentially fun ship for pvp. If you are looking at pve it's best use is against rogue drones and at that is it very good. Leave the damnation for if you want to and are willing to train to provide warfare link bonuses to a full wing or a full fleet. |
adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:53:00 -
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Command ships are highly overrated and very outdated.
I got CS 5, (and fly all 4 races), which I really wish i placed into another BS 5.
BC/BS/T3 does what you want better. Which one depends what you want to use them for.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.01.28 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud can the absolution (assuming the poilet has good skills w/ amar technology....eg ME) beet the slipnir?
If you manage to find a sleip that has run out of ammo/cap boosters, it's entirely possible.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Val'Dore
Absolution is bad ass at Command Ships V.
i'm afraid to think of how long that will take
long enough that when you realize it is ass bad instead of bad ass you cry a bit, but only on the inside
to the op, bc 5 is worth it for the sake of bc 5 alone, cs are kinda useless at the moment.
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Tudeski
Originally by: Aquana Abyss I've seen a lot more of these lately. Yes they are awesome and you will love it.
Don't underestimate the Damnation either - that thing has probably the most beastly armour tank in game - add some Slaves and you could probably tank that planet killing Deathstar.
Both the Proteus and Legion can have more armor/EHP than the Damnation. Js.
At like 3 times the price and risk losing skillpoints when it goes bang.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrasith on 28/01/2011 16:26:01 Short answer:
Absolution sucks. Dont waste your time.
Sleipnir is still worth it, to a certain degree. I fly both, and havent touched the Absolution in over a year and a half, it's just that bad.
Why is it so bad? Compared with Tier 2 BC's, in some cases it barely out performs them, and in other cases doesnt perform nearly as well. Its very slow, its signature radius is huge, its damage types stink...its like a big fat chicken clucking around in the field! And you get that all for a very expensive price. Lucky Abso pilots. (and dont do an Abso vs Drake, very likely chance you will lose)
Factor in T3's and their ability to also use warfare links, and purpose of CS's is less than redundant, its pointless, outside the Sleip.
Do yourself a favor and dont waste the ISK. CCP seriously needs to revamp the entire CS class, as its a waste of isk and training time atm. And yes I have CS V, and the ability to use 3 of the 4 mindlinks. Its still not worth it.
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Niclas Solo
Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:43:00 -
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Abso is really nice, in smaller fleets with a couple of guardians not much can beat them, very high resist and more ehp then most BS + much smaller sig. But they are bad as solo ships, low scan res and only 3 mid slots so you can't fit a sebo and also it's a very slow ship but with a couple of friends to help you it's a very nice addition to a smaller fleet.
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
I build my own rigs so they are free.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.01.28 18:56:00 -
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No.
Go get a Sleip (or even a NH) if you so please.
Being an Abso pilot since mid 2006 I can't find any reason to fly it nowadays when there are so many superior ships.
Anyone saying Abso is a damage dealer need to seriously update his databases sleip vs 1-rep abso vs 2-rep abso ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
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Arushia
Nova Labs New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:04:00 -
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Reviving this topis to inquire whether to fit pulses or beams on an Abso? This will mostly be for PVE work (exploration, some lvl 4s).
New Eden Research, where your research gets done! |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:15:00 -
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I used hpl abso to farm some vanguard level incursions with gang and it worked very well /800dps at 12k/. For l4s id say its worse than t1 bs and for exploration t3 would be better.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith Edited by: Mithrasith on 28/01/2011 16:26:01 Short answer:
Absolution sucks. Dont waste your time.
Sleipnir is still worth it, to a certain degree. I fly both, and havent touched the Absolution in over a year and a half, it's just that bad.
Why is it so bad? Compared with Tier 2 BC's, in some cases it barely out performs them, and in other cases doesnt perform nearly as well. Its very slow, its signature radius is huge, its damage types stink...its like a big fat chicken clucking around in the field! And you get that all for a very expensive price. Lucky Abso pilots. (and dont do an Abso vs Drake, very likely chance you will lose)
Factor in T3's and their ability to also use warfare links, and purpose of CS's is less than redundant, its pointless, outside the Sleip.
Do yourself a favor and dont waste the ISK. CCP seriously needs to revamp the entire CS class, as its a waste of isk and training time atm. And yes I have CS V, and the ability to use 3 of the 4 mindlinks. Its still not worth it.
How does a good drake pilot in a drake beat an absolution piloted by an good absolution pilot? Sleip is better yes, but I very much like the abso. With some leadershipskills its a good commandship for roaming gangs, It stays alive and deals damage.
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Arushia
Nova Labs New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 I used hpl abso to farm some vanguard level incursions with gang and it worked very well /800dps at 12k/. For l4s id say its worse than t1 bs and for exploration t3 would be better.
I know a T3 would probably be better, but a Absolution has the advantage of not costing 600m. Also I'm only skilled for Proteus and Legion, which are not the best T3s.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.02.03 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia I know a T3 would probably be better, but a Absolution has the advantage of not costing 600m. Also I'm only skilled for Proteus and Legion, which are not the best T3s.
well proteus and legion not being the best T3 is kinda relative.
at least until you factor the tengu anyways. ---
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.02.03 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia ...
There is not "best" t3. Legion is considered "worst" because it has absolutely loltastic covert sub /seriously, no damage bonus? gtfo/ and its pretty bad when fitted with laser sub = bad for amarr ship. Proteus is great, easily the best with covert sub.
And for exploration legion /proteus too, but depends on rats ofc/ would be better than abso - at the cost of another 400m. Your choice.
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equincu ocha
Sinners.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Niclas Solo Abso is really nice, in smaller fleets with a couple of guardians not much can beat them, very high resist and more ehp then most BS + much smaller sig. But they are bad as solo ships, low scan res and only 3 mid slots so you can't fit a sebo and also it's a very slow ship but with a couple of friends to help you it's a very nice addition to a smaller fleet.
Not a good solo ship because you can't fit a sebo ? I must be PVPing wrong.
That said fly a binger, I loved my Abso (and still do) but with bc 5 the binger is possibly the best bc around (yes I think it's better than the Cane) and you have more fitting options than with the Abso with a price tag that easily affordable and it doesn't have a huge target painted on its back SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.02.03 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Fon Revedhort Anyone saying Abso is a damage dealer need to seriously update his databases
It does more damage than a Harbinger.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ |
Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.03 20:12:00 -
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This is what I use, does 800+DPS before overloading with the really cheap 5% to medium laser damage implant. It works really well when supported by Logistics or RR Battleships because of it's fantastic resists. Really good at close range anti-support with cruiser tracking and still outputs respectable damage against Battleship targets. I'd say Commandships 5 is probably mandatory for flying this beast (an extra 5% damage and ROF at CS5 is too good to pass up.
[Absolution, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Warrior II x5
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Fon Revedhort Anyone saying Abso is a damage dealer need to seriously update his databases
It does more damage than a Harbinger.
It's hardly a reason to consider her as a really potent damage dealer. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
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