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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2011.01.28 22:45:00 -
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While your character certainly doesn't look like a troll, you certainly sound like one.
Why is CCP supposedly harder on RMT then Botters? Simple, the first hurt CCPs wallet directly, the second possibly indirectly. CCP wants you to buy PLEX for your isk needs. CCP has often come down hard on Botters, and while there certainly are bots in game, they aren't as common as people might think. Some of us sometimes babysit orders with seemingly insane dedication. Sometimes I have two windowed clients open in the background and regularly update the price on all my orders (multiple times per hour), I've even at times split my orders in two (or three+) to circumvent the 5min modification rule. I certainly don't do that 23.5/7, but there are many of us, so there's a big chance that you'll get someone who's updating their orders often.
And to be honest, by stamping on the RMT, they stamp on the botters, because not many folks require the income of a dozen+ characters 23.5/7/52, RMT do. So less RMT, less botters. And let's not forget that a character doing something 23.5/7/52 is going to get noticed, especially if a dozen come from the same IP address, so when CCP notices something like that, they kill those accounts (all the isk, characters, time gone).
Honestly I want all RMT and Botters gone right now, but it's about as easy as stamping out SPAM or Viruses. Large companies like Google do a decent job, but once in a while something still slips through. Now take companies of CCPs format, do you really expect that they are able to banish botters, there's pretty much no sure way to do that. Install software on the computer of the client and they'll run the client in a virtual machine and let the bot run on the host, etc. Check behavior? Dure, someone who runs 23.5/7/52 will be banned, but what if someone runs 12/7/52, could be a rich dedicated EVE player, etc.
Hearing these kind of judgments from a 14 day old toon is either insulting or hilarious, I'm still deciding ;-)
Go back to your frig and go shoot some more pirate ships, go be busy, go have fun. And stop being so GD paranoid!
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Princess Saerah
Amarr Phoenix Acquisitions
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Posted - 2011.01.29 00:34:00 -
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My favorite part is where you say CCP only cares about the money...
I thought this was being done out of the kindness of their hearts and for fun. They don't collect pay checks. Of course they are gonna have a monopoly on the PLEX market. They have to eat.
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Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.29 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth Real life players can not compete with bots
If you are referring to market bots, then you are wrong. Twice.
First because most of them are not bots but people with too much time.
Second because those that are in fact bots are pretty easy competitors (some people, in fact, do not call them competitors, they call them opportunities).
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Skylitsa
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Posted - 2011.01.29 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Skylitsa on 29/01/2011 12:45:52 What we've learnt so far...
1. There are no bots in eve. 2. There are no bots in eve, just bot-like hardcore players. 3. The few bots that exist in eve, are in fact opportunities for human players to exploit.
4. I'm beautiful.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2011.01.29 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Skylitsa
4. I'm beautiful.
How much?
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2011.01.29 15:00:00 -
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There are many bots in eve.
1) With 305 orders per bot (152 items to trade) it only takes a handful of bots to camp out every meaningful item in Jita.
2) Bots remove the .01 aspect from players.
3) The majority of players will combat bots by destroying margins, ruining markets even if you manage to get sales that go past the bot.
4) Sunglasses look good.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.01.29 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Slavemaster on 29/01/2011 15:29:53 Edit----
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.29 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: PinkFish There are many bots in eve.
1) With 305 orders per bot (152 items to trade) it only takes a handful of bots to camp out every meaningful item in Jita.
2) Bots remove the .01 aspect from players.
3) The majority of players will combat bots by destroying margins, ruining markets even if you manage to get sales that go past the bot.
4) Sunglasses look good.
You'd be surprised how few actual bots there are on the market and just how much more difficult it is to program a successful market bot than you'd think. Most people also overestimate just how much faster they would be with orders than a human. :D
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Lethal Entrepreneur
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Posted - 2011.01.30 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: PinkFish There are many bots in eve.
1) With 305 orders per bot (152 items to trade) it only takes a handful of bots to camp out every meaningful item in Jita.
2) Bots remove the .01 aspect from players.
3) The majority of players will combat bots by destroying margins, ruining markets even if you manage to get sales that go past the bot.
4) Sunglasses look good.
You'd be surprised how few actual bots there are on the market and just how much more difficult it is to program a successful market bot than you'd think. Most people also overestimate just how much faster they would be with orders than a human. :D
You try updating 302 orders in 5 minutes.
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Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2011.01.30 08:31:00 -
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i hope you all realise that he is brilliantly trolling you
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.30 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lethal Entrepreneur
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: PinkFish There are many bots in eve.
1) With 305 orders per bot (152 items to trade) it only takes a handful of bots to camp out every meaningful item in Jita.
2) Bots remove the .01 aspect from players.
3) The majority of players will combat bots by destroying margins, ruining markets even if you manage to get sales that go past the bot.
4) Sunglasses look good.
You'd be surprised how few actual bots there are on the market and just how much more difficult it is to program a successful market bot than you'd think. Most people also overestimate just how much faster they would be with orders than a human. :D
You try updating 302 orders in 5 minutes.
Where is your proof that someone updates 302 orders in 5 minutes? Did you track down 302 items that 1 actual person trades in? Then my next area of contest would be "How do you know they updated them in 5 minutes, unless you too were able to do so" .. I'll find a link that I found interesting about market bots, hold on a second ... holddddddd ... here That is one of many links I've found about market bots.
My own research leads me to believe that there are far far less than people think, and no I am not trolling. 90% of the threads and pages about bots are someone going "I SAW BOT HERPDERP" very few are talking about having an actual successful bot. Maybe I'm **** at searching, I'm not usually, but if you have actual evidence or logical arguments against my theory then I'd like to hear it (no really, I researched this because I genuinely want to know, and came to my conclusion, but I'm still up for learning more) Find me an actual market bot that you can use, that's a real challenge.
All those statements people make about how easy it is to just make a bot that updates orders 5minutes at a time, well let them write a bot and see how much isk they lose on it ;)
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Beren Farlander
Far Lands Advanced Reactions
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Posted - 2011.01.31 01:34:00 -
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I'm going to have to give MD a fail on this one.
It took 30 posts before someone accurately identified the troll?
The new 3d picture was an excellent disguise, but once again, Obvious troll is obvious.
And don't get me wrong... Bots are Bad, m'kay? Ad Astra Per Aspera |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.31 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Beren Farlander I'm going to have to give MD a fail on this one.
It took 30 posts before someone accurately identified the troll?
The new 3d picture was an excellent disguise, but once again, Obvious troll is obvious.
And don't get me wrong... Bots are Bad, m'kay?
So what's the prize for Cergorach? A single post (well, I guess two now) of recognition? Nobody really cares unless the troll is so amateur that it's boring.
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Beren Farlander
Far Lands Advanced Reactions
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Posted - 2011.01.31 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal So what's the prize for Cergorach? A single post (well, I guess two now) of recognition? Nobody really cares unless the troll is so amateur that it's boring.
fair point. it was an engaging read. Ad Astra Per Aspera |
Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2011.02.01 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Beren Farlander I'm going to have to give MD a fail on this one.
It took 30 posts before someone accurately identified the troll?
I still blame CCP for moving MD to pretty much the top of the page, when we were down there in the gutter of the forum we had more observant people, it seems that a lot of the posters that now post here did have trouble scrolling down the forum page and actually find MD... ;-)
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Doddy
Burning Vendetta
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Posted - 2011.02.02 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
Real life players can not compete with bots and I will also remind you that botters are not paying customers of EVE but pay using illegally gotten ISK.
You don't really have a clue do you? Bots don't bring you moon minerals, they don't bring you deadspace gear, they don't bring you explo goods, they don't brig you t3s, they don't bring you the majority of officer/faction goods (many bots levae the loot behind). They are inefficient at everything compared to a player on an isk per hour basis, and or often running sub-optiaml fits on sub-optimal chars. They do artificially deflate mineral prices and inject excess isk into the game, which is a problem. Market bots (and scam bots) are pretty irrelevant outside of Jita. They can also be exploited pretty well if you have the isk and the know-how.
Also if a botter is not a paying customer as they pay through isk neither is a player. . . .
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Eden Love
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Posted - 2011.02.02 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Eden Love on 02/02/2011 00:42:59
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: Daxine Myth
Real life players can not compete with bots and I will also remind you that botters are not paying customers of EVE but pay using illegally gotten ISK.
You don't really have a clue do you? Bots don't bring you moon minerals, they don't bring you deadspace gear, they don't bring you explo goods, they don't brig you t3s, they don't bring you the majority of officer/faction goods (many bots levae the loot behind). They are inefficient at everything compared to a player on an isk per hour basis, and or often running sub-optiaml fits on sub-optimal chars. They do artificially deflate mineral prices and inject excess isk into the game, which is a problem. Market bots (and scam bots) are pretty irrelevant outside of Jita. They can also be exploited pretty well if you have the isk and the know-how.
Also if a botter is not a paying customer as they pay through isk neither is a player. . . .
I think YOU have no clue Difference is: The bot is running 23/7! So if I Make 20 million a hour and the bot makes 15 a hour He has a big advantage over me as I have to go to work earning money to pay eve! -> me makin 60 million a day < Bot makes 300 million a day while my effort is 1000 times bigger then his.. At war with corp who owns bots -> no chance at all.
lol Sir either you are just a troll or a bot
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Mister Agreeable
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Posted - 2011.02.02 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Agreeable on 02/02/2011 14:55:08
Originally by: Eden Love
At war with corp who owns bots -> no chance at all.
Oh yes this *is* true. PVP bots are the best bots, no human PVP fleet could ever possibly win a fight vs bots.
A few macro Hulks would WTFBBQPWN a 500 strong supercap fleet in a few seconds.
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Eden Love
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Posted - 2011.02.02 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Agreeable Edited by: Mister Agreeable on 02/02/2011 14:55:08
Originally by: Eden Love
At war with corp who owns bots -> no chance at all.
Oh yes this *is* true. PVP bots are the best bots, no human PVP fleet could ever possibly win a fight vs bots.
A few macro Hulks would WTFBBQPWN a 500 strong supercap fleet in a few seconds.
I just cant realize how stupid people can be "lol"
You trolling right?
If not: *example* My corp: earning 50 million a day through honest playing. Corp who owns Bots: earning 500 million a day through cheating using a bot
Means:
My corp: need to work again to get the isk to replace any ship lost. Corp who owns Bots: instantly replaces any loss without a blink of the eye with their bot earned money
-> Skill doesnt matter anymore. I can shoot as many ships as I want. I wont have enough isk and materials to win against them cause they have nearly unlimited ressources for which they dont need to work.
my ship popped -> need to mine , rat, do missions, trade to earn the isk to buy one again. cheaters ship popped -> go to market buy another ship with isk earned by bot.
DO YOU AGREE?
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2011.02.02 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Except that almost everything you see for sale is obtained by player characters, be it by ratting, mining, harvesting, reacting, manufacturing, inventing, reverse-engineering, special rewards or purchases from LP shops. Very few item classes are sold by NPCs (blueprints, skillbooks and not sure if they sell anything else anymore nowadays). How much MORE player-driven do you expect it to be ?
There are still some NPC goods that did not make it into PI - check out prototype cloaks. Also did they ever make blueprints for moon scanning probes? That used to be an NPC only sourced item as well.
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Kazrael Starseeker
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.02.03 08:52:00 -
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You've been playing for 14 days, you say your new to mmo's and you have noticed the economy is run by bots.
I am not new to mmo's, and only been playing eve for 7 months and have not yet recognized another player for being a bot. I know they are there, but even as a station trader I haven't come across one I absolutely knew was a bot.
You sure your not trolling?
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Seven Sins
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:18:00 -
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The bots directly linked to RMT are the ones that are causing the biggest issue. Mine isk, sell isk. If there was a ban on trail accounts it would go someway to curbing this. CCP are actively blocking accounts that are caught selling isk
There was an interview conducted with a 'botter. He outlines why he does it, how easy it is to circumvent eve game mechanics and how much it can make him running 1-15 accounts.
I will not link the interview as it contains items that can be classed as bannable offences and I dont want to be banned :) But if you look hard enough, you will find it.
There are market bots out there, but these tend to be people wanting a quick top up of isk rather than the hardcore farmers that are actually ruining the market indirectly by flooding the game with cheap isk.
So rather than jump on Daxine and call her a troll because she is new... give her some information :)
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