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Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.29 23:36:00 -
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Looking through the Jita buy orders yesterday on a whim, I noticed that tech was selling at ~75,000 isk/unit. I ran some numbers, and given a POS can crank out 2400 units a day, that came to 180,000,000/day. Is my math correct? Are those things really generating 5.4 bil a month (not counting POS fuel)?
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Lorkin Desal
Caldari Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.01.29 23:44:00 -
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Yes they are. Also, they all belong to the North, so they can set pretty much any price they want.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.30 00:02:00 -
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Lol, tech prices.
But yes, tech moons do make billions a month. From what I've heard, there is a lot of speculation and market manipulation driving the price even higher. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.30 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Lol, tech prices.
But yes, tech moons do make billions a month. From what I've heard, there is a lot of speculation and market manipulation driving the price even higher.
Are you accusing your leadership of something?
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True Sight
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.30 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kroll Looking through the Jita buy orders yesterday on a whim, I noticed that tech was selling at ~75,000 isk/unit. I ran some numbers, and given a POS can crank out 2400 units a day, that came to 180,000,000/day. Is my math correct? Are those things really generating 5.4 bil a month (not counting POS fuel)?
Yes roughly, apparently there's a larger concentration of Tech around the North-Western and North Eastern parts of the overall evemap (unfortunately, being a member of the NC doesn't automatically give me a direct knowledge of every tech moon in-game).
A lot of groups take their tech and react it up several levels themselves to optimize the profit you generate from that, which of course limits the overall stock ending up on the markets.
Additionally, with a lot of fighting going on over many moons currently, it likely adds delays to things reaching markets (imagine every time a tower is reinforced, thats 1-2 days of nothing being collected, as well as the days inside it being destroyed when the tower is taken out), then it takes time before that moon begins feeding the market again.
Overall I believe the current price is heavily driven by supply/demand, that is, there's an awful lot of ongoing demand for tech, so people charge what they like. --------------------------------------
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Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.30 16:54:00 -
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I guess my question was more one of incredulity than mere investigation. Are the alliances/corps that control these moons making that kind of isk from moon mining operations there? I may, from ignorance of the overall tech market, be misinterpreting the ability of these organizations to actually realize that amount of revenue from those moons. Because just one of those moons would, if my interpretation of their value are correct, be enough isk to generate almost 65 billion isk/year in revenue.
Now, according to some estimates I've seen from Akita's thread in MD, there are around 380 tech moons in the game, meaning that the overall tech market is worth 24.6 trillion isk annually.
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.30 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kroll I guess my question was more one of incredulity than mere investigation. Are the alliances/corps that control these moons making that kind of isk from moon mining operations there? I may, from ignorance of the overall tech market, be misinterpreting the ability of these organizations to actually realize that amount of revenue from those moons. Because just one of those moons would, if my interpretation of their value are correct, be enough isk to generate almost 65 billion isk/year in revenue.
Now, according to some estimates I've seen from Akita's thread in MD, there are around 380 tech moons in the game, meaning that the overall tech market is worth 24.6 trillion isk annually.
Tech moons to produce a lot of isk, but I am not completely sure about the total of having 380 tech moons. I mean, when PL took over tons of tech moons in and around Venal they only took something like 50 moon goo moons. Which I don't think all of them were tech although a decent amount probably were.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.31 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kroll I guess my question was more one of incredulity than mere investigation. Are the alliances/corps that control these moons making that kind of isk from moon mining operations there? I may, from ignorance of the overall tech market, be misinterpreting the ability of these organizations to actually realize that amount of revenue from those moons. Because just one of those moons would, if my interpretation of their value are correct, be enough isk to generate almost 65 billion isk/year in revenue.
Now, according to some estimates I've seen from Akita's thread in MD, there are around 380 tech moons in the game, meaning that the overall tech market is worth 24.6 trillion isk annually.
Not too sure there are that many, but it would be pretty easy to check with dotlan.
And yes, they are that valuable, because even though they are a R32 item, they are not that many of them at all. So they are extremley valuable. If you have your own POS on one, then you have won eve.
PL lost 8 titans recently fighting for tech moons.
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Zkeletonwitch
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Posted - 2011.01.31 04:11:00 -
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Tech has basically broken nullsec (all conveniently in the north too, no wonder people complain about jump bridges).
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TraderAlt117
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Posted - 2011.01.31 11:34:00 -
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While we are on the subject, before the change last year to the material requirements for components, I believe it was dysprosium and prometium (not sure though) that were 8 times the current cost of technetium. CCP tried to fix it, and they messed up with technetium becoming the new bottleneck, but just remember it's way better than it used to be ;).
Also remember that 90% of T2 items you buy and use/lose daily have high end materials in that go back and give isk to the big 0.0 alliances. Everybody in 0.0, however, can (or should) see the massive nerf bat that is going to swing down on moon mining in the next year, due to this massive monopoly of isk staying in alliances passively rather than characters actively. My personal opinion is that something along the lines of PI depletion is going to be implemented, as soon as the kinks are worked out. Better to test it on something relatively benign like poses+pos fuels first than to test it on the source of all modules that every single char in the game can feel the effect of.
TL;DR Tech is cheap, look out for another change to moon mining/goo in the not so distant future.
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Dr Nefarius
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Posted - 2011.01.31 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: TraderAlt117 While we are on the subject, before the change last year to the material requirements for components, I believe it was dysprosium and prometium (not sure though) that were 8 times the current cost of technetium. CCP tried to fix it, and they messed up with technetium becoming the new bottleneck, but just remember it's way better than it used to be ;).
My mind might be playing tricks on me, but wasn't it just the double of current tech price (about 150k/unit)?
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Dregek
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.31 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: TraderAlt117 While we are on the subject, before the change last year to the material requirements for components, I believe it was dysprosium and prometium (not sure though) that were 8 times the current cost of technetium. CCP tried to fix it, and they messed up with technetium becoming the new bottleneck, but just remember it's way better than it used to be ;).
Also remember that 90% of T2 items you buy and use/lose daily have high end materials in that go back and give isk to the big 0.0 alliances. Everybody in 0.0, however, can (or should) see the massive nerf bat that is going to swing down on moon mining in the next year, due to this massive monopoly of isk staying in alliances passively rather than characters actively. My personal opinion is that something along the lines of PI depletion is going to be implemented, as soon as the kinks are worked out. Better to test it on something relatively benign like poses+pos fuels first than to test it on the source of all modules that every single char in the game can feel the effect of.
TL;DR Tech is cheap, look out for another change to moon mining/goo in the not so distant future.
except that dypro/prom should be more expensive than tech by a factor of 2
the problem with the moon mining economy is supply is finite in its total output but demand & supply is not.
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Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.31 16:30:00 -
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It appears I misstated the number of tech moons. 230 is the Dotlan total, taken from Akita's threadnaught.
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Babette McHauler
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dregek except that dypro/prom should be more expensive than tech by a factor of 2
It used to be this way until all the blueprint modifications during the dominion patch. We used to constantly fight over Dyspro moons.
given the moon concentrations in the north, it's no secret where the money is.. And yes, the northern alliances realize this level of income but also spend incredible amounts on JB, gen, and jammer upgrades in their sov bills.
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Von Hesse
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Babette McHauler
Originally by: Dregek except that dypro/prom should be more expensive than tech by a factor of 2
It used to be this way until all the blueprint modifications during the dominion patch. We used to constantly fight over Dyspro moons.
given the moon concentrations in the north, it's no secret where the money is.. And yes, the northern alliances realize this level of income but also spend incredible amounts on JB, gen, and jammer upgrades in their sov bills.
Except in low-sec, where they own all the moons, but only have to pay for fuel... Out of those 230, probably 25% of them aren't in null-sec.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.02.01 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Von Kroll Now, according to some estimates I've seen from Akita's thread in MD, there are around 380 tech moons in the game, meaning that the overall tech market is worth 24.6 trillion isk annually.
It is more like 300 tech moons which means something close to 19 trillion isk/year.
Assume you could buy GTC with that isk and sell those GTC for $10, then you have $500.000/year income just from the tech moons. Quite some temptation to RMT, isn't...
(And CCP wouldn't/couldn't really complain because they earn money from this also because of the GTCs.)
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.01 14:29:00 -
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Its pretty common knowledge that Tech moons are concentrated in the north as an agreement between CCP and the NC. The background is that ever since the introduction of invention, CCP has been intent on removing T2 BPOs from the game which they understandly knew would keep the T2 playing-field unlevel.
Despite their intentions, there was massive uproar from the NC community when CCP began talking about T2 BPO removal. Over 70% of T2 BPOs were held by the NC and they saw this as unfair prosecution on their behalf. At the fanfest prior to the moon goo changes, initial plans were hashed out between devs and top NC brass that technetium would become the new bottleneck moon goo. This would generate trillions of ISK for NC players and coffers and allow them time to sell their T2 BPOs at great margins before their removal from game.
As I recall, the Devs and NC brass decided upon an 18month transition window. With the arrival on Incarna this summer where all the buzz and excitement will be about walking in stations, there will also be another moon goo shake up (read: depleting resources) as well as the nerfing of T2 BPOs.
As of the start of 2011, only around a quarter of T2 bpos remain in NC hands, though Im not sure how many bittervets etc went inactive with BPOs unsold.
In before ccp dev deletion etc etc. ---------
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Karl Reese
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.01 15:07:00 -
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Let me see if I understand this correctly...
Large alliances expect players to join corps and burn through their own ISK defending tech moons which make BILLIONS of ISK a month for a privileged few?
So the future is run by scientologists?
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.02.01 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Reese Let me see if I understand this correctly...
Large alliances expect players to join corps and burn through their own ISK defending tech moons which make BILLIONS of ISK a month for a privileged few?
The needs of the many are OUTWEIGHED by the needs of the few or the one.
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Welps ArUs
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Posted - 2011.02.01 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Reese Let me see if I understand this correctly...
Large alliances expect players to join corps and burn through their own ISK defending tech moons which make BILLIONS of ISK a month for a privileged few?
So the future is run by scientologists?
You sound enturbulated. Please report to the nearest 0.0 alliance to be cleared.
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