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Arbitos
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Posted - 2005.01.26 13:00:00 -
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I've been doing LvL 4 missions for ages in a Raven and found them fun at first and a massive difference to anything i'd ever had in the old lvl 3(apart from the lack of loot cans from good ships!). However being the type that likes a challenge rather than counting out a set amount of torps for each NPC and moving to the next one, I wanted a change.
So I moved onto an APOC, what a great ship to fly!! Apart from the fact the tanking is great you actually have to think about ranage and tracking and I love the odd massive Wreckings you get etc. I fly at the moment a Tanking setup with a Range of crytals and 2 x sieges for intys and tend to put an X5 web in mids when I have the Angel BS that I know will go close or a TRacking 2 if I think most ships that need to take a battering will stay at Pulse range. I have no problems with the non-deadspace and some of the dead space and find the Apoc can knock down the tanked BS's better than my Raven.
The harder DeadSpace, you know 2 - 3 I mean have got me a few times, I'm not one to give up and don't want to go back to Boring Boring Boring Raven. I tend to find that I'm very quickly engulfed in a mess 2 x named armour reps can't hold at all. I know about agroing one group at a time etc.
I'm thinking about losing some of the Tanking and going for named 100AB and Overdrives and trying to keep the distance so not engulfed so fast and getting better shots due to tracking etc.
Is this feasable? Or will it mean I get owned even faster :-) I'd be interested in tactics and setups for these missions in an Apoc. Before you say it, no I'm not training 800K worth of skills selling my POC and buying a Raven, I have good missile skills.... I'm Bored of it!!
Thanks for your Help
Arbi
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capt
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Posted - 2005.01.26 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: capt on 26/01/2005 15:50:58 Could this post be moved to the ships/mods forum?
That forum is all about ships and their different setups and has extensive stickies to all sorts of ships and all sorts of setups for different situations (including missions) etc......
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Janos Audron
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Posted - 2005.01.26 16:23:00 -
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i never did too much of the sniping thing :/ but personally i would stay with the tanking...
as no matter how fast u go, some of the npc's will always go faster :/ including in deadspace, and keep in mind on some deadspace missions u can warp into the middle of lots of npc's, which u will need the tanking to take b4 u have started to get rid of the frigs atleast.
but that said :/ i used apoc, mainly for ammo concerns mostly, but now i use raven.... granted it takes more concentration generally in the apoc, fact is mission running is more about speed/profit for me, which the raven wins :/
kills faster than my apoc, flies faster than my apoc, earns faster than my apoc :/ cs:source sos-s33k3r diaspora: s33k3r, hexxeh always do right. this will gratify some people, and astonish the rest.
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Melon Smuggler
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Posted - 2005.01.26 19:54:00 -
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I use an Apoc for lvl4 missions. You should try using medium size (cruiser) guns. I used a tank with 6x Anode pulse lasers and 2x Siege launchers. I know cruiser guns on an Apoc sound stupid but just give it a try. It chews up cruisers and some frigs (the frigs with transverse velocity less than about 250m/s). The only problem is the BSs which fly out to 40-50km range. Mordous Mammouth and Pith Conquistadors are tough, you have to get close enough to use UV freq crystals to take them down. So you sometimes have to warp out and back in. Just finished training Medium pulse laser specialisation skill today so hopefully the extra damage from tech2&skill will make the difference.
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morli vanqos
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Posted - 2005.01.26 20:47:00 -
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I use an ultra long range setup for level 4 missions. I never get hit unless I want to by a few missiles so I can use ultraviolet crystals for a faster kill. I dont even carry a armor rep. All damage and recharge.
mid: 100mn ab II 2 Tracking cpu's 1 Sensor booster
Low: 3 Heatsink II 4 Cap power relays
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Taize
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Posted - 2005.01.27 00:56:00 -
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Raven doesnt have an optimal range...Apoc does so wouldnt it make it just not fun if all the cruisers are just orbitting you...they eat drones too...
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Synthemesc
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Posted - 2005.01.27 04:56:00 -
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They won't attack your drones if they're already shooting at you. You're right though, dealing with 6 blaster using moas with 2 siege and 6 drones is tiresome. Raven ftw.
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NEvara
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Posted - 2005.01.27 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: NEvara on 27/01/2005 08:36:09 Well my answer 2 some posts in this topic is learn 1rst how many meds does the Apoc has,2nd learn how many meds has the Apoc & 3rd the same.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.01.27 09:10:00 -
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Wrong forum but I can add my setup. Apoc is great for lvl 4 missions. The raven only kills the frigs faster and thats pretty much the only thing is does bether. With decent gunnery skills and a tracking comp the pulses pops the cruisers in notime.
High: 6x megapulses + 2x siege launchers (for frigs) Med: 1x AB, 1x tracking comp, 2x best cap rechargers you can get Low: 1x accom rep, 3x hardners, 3x cap relays
Warp in and take what you can from 60 km and start torping the frigs. Then start aproaching the cruisers and switch to multi crystals and kick their ass. I can make the 45 min bonus on the 4 spawns in "intercept the saboutures" _____________________________________________
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Arbitos
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Posted - 2005.01.27 12:02:00 -
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To all those that think this should be in the Ships forum fare enough, but I don't need help on how to acheive different setups, I was asking for ways to go about doing deadspace missions in an Apoc and tactics involved. Agreed this will involve setups but its a very specific part of a mission I'm looking at.
Also lots have people have said about sniping etc. Can I do this in dead space missions? Also will a 100AB be enough to keep the distance in deadspace missions.
Please don't post with tactics for non deadspace as all of these are pretty easy in both sniping and tanking in an APOC. Also about cruisers orbitting you at close range an X5 web soon helps put them out of there missery.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.01.27 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: MrRookie on 27/01/2005 12:38:03 Ok I missunderstud then. I would still go with my setup as sniping is out of the question. AB dont help much cuz you cant move to far without getting close to any spawns, in pirat extravaganza atleast, and the rats will catch up to you very fast. I havent tried this myself but I think with a coupple of siege launchers and a heavy tank you can deal with it. Not much tips to give, you just have to try it _____________________________________________
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2005.01.27 12:52:00 -
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This is not pointed at the thread creator but i got to say this so im sorry in advance.
What is it with people inabilty to find your own setups why do i always see people asking for setups to do a level 4 why cant theaser people find there own or god forbid improve on a setup to make it suit the job.
Copying some one setup because theres works just makes the game boring and the same.
Right said my pieace and now im done sorry about that all
You cant beat Death But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Arbitos
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Posted - 2005.01.27 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Anubis This is not pointed at the thread creator but i got to say this so im sorry in advance.
What is it with people inabilty to find your own setups why do i always see people asking for setups to do a level 4 why cant theaser people find there own or god forbid improve on a setup to make it suit the job.
Copying some one setup because theres works just makes the game boring and the same.
Right said my pieace and now im done sorry about that all
Erm yep... I have and lost an Apoc, can't afford to lose another by fitting for speed and jumping into Pirate Extravagansa to find out it gets own in seconds...
If you read me post I didn't ask for a setup I asked if it was possible to use speed successfully in deadspace (I know I could try, but thought that was what the foprums are for?). Maybe I should just get a Raven and and be boring or turn down the 3 hardest missions like most turret based pilots.
Oh, Glad it wasn't aimed at the poster tho
Any helpful posts are much appreciated.
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MadHawk
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Posted - 2005.01.27 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Arbitos
Erm yep... I have and lost an Apoc, can't afford to lose another by fitting for speed and jumping into Pirate Extravagansa to find out it gets own in seconds...
If you read me post I didn't ask for a setup I asked if it was possible to use speed successfully in deadspace (I know I could try, but thought that was what the foprums are for?). Maybe I should just get a Raven and and be boring or turn down the 3 hardest missions like most turret based pilots.
Oh, Glad it wasn't aimed at the poster tho
Any helpful posts are much appreciated.
You can always test setups on the TEST server Singularity. I tested the pirate extravaganca mission there before exodus was released, got owned tho.. :P Anyway, there should be a mirror from tq soon(tm).
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