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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 16:43:00 -
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Most of Eve's game play is well balanced. A player gets as much of a challenge that their game play style invokes.
Game play is far out of balance when a large corp is permitted to war dec a very small corp in hi-sec.
There are solo players, that do not care to play PvP and instead treat Eve as a very complicated model train set. No Eve player can be trusted due to game design, witness the recent Sommer lottery betrayal. This is fine for those who wish to invoke this aspect of game play, they have a choice to associate. The war dec aspect of the game should be re-balance to accommodate the solo player where there is no choice.
Ok now all the you taunters can dog pile on. I know how much you all love to gank far inferior "opponents" and you will howl at the slightest suggestion that a very small category of your prey is removed from your exploitation. I just hope there is at least one poster that has a viable suggestion.
I don't expect the sadistic game designers to make any changes.
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Guy Verhofstadt
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Posted - 2011.02.02 16:55:00 -
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You're very much correct in your final assumption, mainly because this is a multiplayer game!
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.02 16:56:00 -
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And what was your suggested idea? ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody Game play is far out of balance when a large corp is permitted to war dec a very small corp in hi-sec.
Why is that a balance issue?
Quote: There are solo players, that do not care to play PvP and instead treat Eve as a very complicated model train set.
This is going to sound more harsh than it really is butà
àmaybe they're just playing the wrong game. This isn't a model train set, and even if it were, it wouldn't be their model train set ù it's a sandbox, where the other kids can and will use your sand castle as a source of (or dumping spot for) their own sandy needs. The best you can do is whack them over the head with your spade and pee in their bucket until they go bother someone else. Or build your little castle in some other corner of the sandbox. Or just go home and come back some other day in hopes that they've moved on. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Linna Excel
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:13:00 -
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One ship is never going to be more powerful than a group of them (unless it's a Dominix vs a few frigates or something like that).
Now if you changed it so that concord doesn't respond to solo pirates, but would respond to a group of them in low sec... that might be another matter.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana And what was your suggested idea?
Any of these: 1. Allow very small corps (less than 5) to opt out of war decs 2. In Hi-Sec only allow war decs and continuing war on corps that have at least 50% the number of players as the declaring corp 3. Allow a hi sec corp to decline a war dec
I know they are all pretty lame.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Guy Verhofstadt You're very much correct in your final assumption, mainly because this is a multiplayer game!
Yes, and some solo players wish only to interact with the other players through the market and contracts.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Guy Verhofstadt You're very much correct in your final assumption, mainly because this is a multiplayer game!
Yes, and some solo players wish only to interact with the other players through the market and contracts.
They're entirely free to do exactly that. All they have to do is not undock. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
àmaybe they're just playing the wrong game. This isn't a model train set, and even if it were, it wouldn't be their model train set ù it's a sandbox, where the other kids can and will use your sand castle as a source of (or dumping spot for) their own sandy needs. The best you can do is whack them over the head with your spade and pee in their bucket until they go bother someone else. Or build your little castle in some other corner of the sandbox. Or just go home and come back some other day in hopes that they've moved on.
Let's see, hmmm, I think I did log into my account on Eve, so I do think I am playing the right game.
0.0 and W space is where all the kicking, whacking off and peeing happen. It's all quite hilarious from my vantage point, a economy based game with a lawless no-ones land. The fact of the manner is that there is Empire space and Concord and the war dec is out of balance in the Hi-sec context. I pay taxes to Concord on every transaction, I should get protection from roving gangs.
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Jokerface666
Amarr The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Tippia
àmaybe they're just playing the wrong game. This isn't a model train set, and even if it were, it wouldn't be their model train set ù it's a sandbox, where the other kids can and will use your sand castle as a source of (or dumping spot for) their own sandy needs. The best you can do is whack them over the head with your spade and pee in their bucket until they go bother someone else. Or build your little castle in some other corner of the sandbox. Or just go home and come back some other day in hopes that they've moved on.
Let's see, hmmm, I think I did log into my account on Eve, so I do think I am playing the right game.
0.0 and W space is where all the kicking, whacking off and peeing happen. It's all quite hilarious from my vantage point, a economy based game with a lawless no-ones land. The fact of the manner is that there is Empire space and Concord and the war dec is out of balance in the Hi-sec context. I pay taxes to Concord on every transaction, I should get protection from roving gangs.
Get yourself a mercanary corp under contract to show the bully the exit... problem solved.
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Dasubervixen
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody I pay taxes to Concord on every transaction, I should get protection from roving gangs.
Concord does not protect. They only punish.
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Wurzel Gummidge
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Tippia
àmaybe they're just playing the wrong game. This isn't a model train set, and even if it were, it wouldn't be their model train set ù it's a sandbox, where the other kids can and will use your sand castle as a source of (or dumping spot for) their own sandy needs. The best you can do is whack them over the head with your spade and pee in their bucket until they go bother someone else. Or build your little castle in some other corner of the sandbox. Or just go home and come back some other day in hopes that they've moved on.
Let's see, hmmm, I think I did log into my account on Eve, so I do think I am playing the right game.
0.0 and W space is where all the kicking, whacking off and peeing happen. It's all quite hilarious from my vantage point, a economy based game with a lawless no-ones land. The fact of the manner is that there is Empire space and Concord and the war dec is out of balance in the Hi-sec context. I pay taxes to Concord on every transaction, I should get protection from roving gangs.
Your overblown sense of entitlement shows you obviously are in the wrong game. This is a sandbox MMO where everybody has to deal with everybody else. You don't pay CONCORD to protect you, that is an utter fallacy and if it wasn't for the hilarious part of the game, as you see it, your beloved economy wouldn't exist. It's not your train set it's everybody's. If you want to be left alone I suggest a single player game.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dasubervixen Concord does not protect. They only punish.
Bullying should be punished, both in RL and Hi-Sec
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody The fact of the manner is that there is Empire space and Concord and the war dec is out of balance in the Hi-sec context.
Why? Out of balance in what way? High-sec space is not safe ù it's just a place where aggression comes at a cost.
Quote: I pay taxes to Concord on every transaction, I should get protection from roving gangs.
No. You pay taxes to CONCORD so they punish people who shoot at you, so that attacking you comes at a price. The attacker can also choose to pay this price by giving money directly to CONCORD, through a wardec.
What you someone incorrectly identify as "protection" is simply a result of that price of admission: most people don't want to pay for no particular reason, so they won't shoot at you for no particular reason. It's not protection, just miserliness. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Guy Verhofstadt You're very much correct in your final assumption, mainly because this is a multiplayer game!
Yes, and some solo players wish only to interact with the other players through the market and contracts.
They're entirely free to do exactly that. All they have to do is not undock.
Your option allows game play only as a commodities trader. Eve is much richer game with PI, Mining, Invention and exploration. All these aspects are well balanced risk to reward. Suicide ganking of mining barges is a very cool aspect of the game, I just wish some of the gankers flew GreenSpace banners claiming to "Save our Roids"
However when a 100 person corp can war dec a non-allied solo corp in Hisec all balance goes out the window.
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Jokerface666
Amarr The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Guy Verhofstadt You're very much correct in your final assumption, mainly because this is a multiplayer game!
Yes, and some solo players wish only to interact with the other players through the market and contracts.
They're entirely free to do exactly that. All they have to do is not undock.
Your option allows game play only as a commodities trader. Eve is much richer game with PI, Mining, Invention and exploration. All these aspects are well balanced risk to reward. Suicide ganking of mining barges is a very cool aspect of the game, I just wish some of the gankers flew GreenSpace banners claiming to "Save our Roids"
However when a 100 person corp can war dec a non-allied solo corp in Hisec all balance goes out the window.
No, you're free to pay a mercenary corp to slap them around.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Linna Excel One ship is never going to be more powerful than a group of them (unless it's a Dominix vs a few frigates or something like that).
Now if you changed it so that concord doesn't respond to solo pirates, but would respond to a group of them in low sec... that might be another matter.
Ms. Excel this is an interesting suggestion but solo play is impracticable in lo-sec. Not ever explored lo-sec myself except on SiSi, I have no idea if this is a good idea.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jokerface666 No, you're free to pay a mercenary corp to slap them around.
No, there is no game mechanism to ensure that the mercenary's are not in league with the Waring corp. Furthermore, it would be stupid for a mercenary corp to risk assets for a Solo non PVP corp, they are toothless. They should rightfully just take the deposit and block the hiring CEO. There is nothing the solo corp can do in game play to ensure execution of the job for hire.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Dasubervixen Concord does not protect. They only punish.
Bullying should be punished, both in RL and Hi-Sec
I remember when I was in third grade, there was a bully that keep harrasing me. I got him in trouble with the teacher...he got punished, next day was no different. There he was, greifing me at every turn.
About a month later, I got fed up with it. He smarted off to me in the play ground, my fists clenched, tears filled my eyes, and I charged full bore at him. It ended up with me tackeling him into an ice patch and riding on his head as we slid about 3 feet on the ground. Having a good 40 lbs on me (and once we came to a stop) he quickly had me on the ground...and just as he was about to pound me into a little puddle, my older brother (who was bigger then the both of us) stepped in and knocked the hell out of him.
Get the point? Good, apply to EVE.
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Christopher AET
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:33:00 -
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Or either wait out the wardec or go to a npc corp or grab a pvp ship and have a go. What's the worst that can happen?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody However when a 100 person corp can war dec a non-allied solo corp in Hisec all balance goes out the window.
Again: why? In what way? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Bullying should be punished, both in RL and Hi-Sec
I remember when I was in third grade, there was a bully that keep harrasing me. I got him in trouble with the teacher...he got punished, next day was no different. There he was, greifing me at every turn.
About a month later, I got fed up with it. He smarted off to me in the play ground, my fists clenched, tears filled my eyes, and I charged full bore at him. It ended up with me tackeling him into an ice patch and riding on his head as we slid about 3 feet on the ground. Having a good 40 lbs on me (and once we came to a stop) he quickly had me on the ground...and just as he was about to pound me into a little puddle, my older brother (who was bigger then the both of us) stepped in and knocked the hell out of him.
Get the point? Good, apply to EVE.
Heh, you must be as old as me! The world has evolved quite alot since the 1950's witness the on campus arrest of the Darby school bullies: http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2011/02/02/news/doc4d48de1c655ac719914872.txt?viewmode=fullstory
Do you get the point?
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody However when a 100 person corp can war dec a non-allied solo corp in Hisec all balance goes out the window.
Again: why? In what way?
Defense is literally impossible by the solo corp. The only choice is to hole up and wait for the aggressor to sicken of paying the war fee. There is also no sense to expend PLEX or pay the account during this period. Maybe the eve accountants should ponder this.
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Jokerface666
Amarr The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody However when a 100 person corp can war dec a non-allied solo corp in Hisec all balance goes out the window.
Again: why? In what way?
Defense is literally impossible by the solo corp. The only choice is to hole up and wait for the aggressor to sicken of paying the war fee. There is also no sense to expend PLEX or pay the account during this period. Maybe the eve accountants should ponder this.
Are you ignoring me!? PAY A MERCANARY CORP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jokerface666
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody However when a 100 person corp can war dec a non-allied solo corp in Hisec all balance goes out the window.
Again: why? In what way?
Defense is literally impossible by the solo corp. The only choice is to hole up and wait for the aggressor to sicken of paying the war fee. There is also no sense to expend PLEX or pay the account during this period. Maybe the eve accountants should ponder this.
Are you ignoring me!? PAY A MERCANARY CORP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Mr. 666, I am not ignoring you!(x15) Due to the distrust basis built into the game, which I would not change, both Mercenary and MERCANARY corps cannot be trusted. If they were properly run they would just walk away with a solo corp's ISK.
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Jokerface666
Amarr The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:01:00 -
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another fluffy fluffy fluff land thread... go play wow then
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 02/02/2011 19:06:27
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody Defense is literally impossible by the solo corp. The only choice is to hole up and wait for the aggressor to sicken of paying the war fee.
No, that's not the only choice.
A solo corp can rebase in a single trip, once per login ù 100-man corp cannot. A solo corp can mothball and redeploy ù a 100-man corp cannot. A solo corp can (as others have mentioned) suddenly become much larger, in more ways than oneà
You might also want to consider why you're being targeted to begin with, and why you need that solo corp at all.
Moreover, you can turn the problem on its head: why shouldn't a corp be able to nuke some annoying little git who's been messing with its member, just because said git has a solo corp? Why should diminutiveness be a means of immunity?
Quote: Due to the distrust basis built into the game, which I would not change, both Mercenary and MERCANARY corps cannot be trusted. If they were properly run they would just walk away with a solo corp's ISK.
àand never be trusted with any clients ever again. So no, if they're run properly, that's pretty much exactly what they won't do. They might turn you down for being such a small customer, though, but that's a different problem.
What you consider a problem of trust is more a problem of research. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia No, that's not the only choice.
In line:
A solo corp can rebase in a single trip, once per login ù 100-man corp cannot. <- holing up A solo corp can mothball and redeploy ù a 100-man corp cannot. <- holing up A solo corp can (as others have mentioned) suddenly become much larger, in more ways than oneà <-defeats being a solo corp
You might also want to consider why you're being targeted to begin with, and why you need that solo corp at all.
Simple you are in a hi-sec system that a large corp wants all the assets within
Moreover, you can turn the problem on its head: why shouldn't a corp be able to nuke some annoying little git who's been messing with its member, just because said git has a solo corp? Why should diminutiveness be a means of immunity?
Solo's are for mere survival non-PvP; if they mess with another corp's members they are marked for aggression and get just desserts
Quote: Due to the distrust basis built into the game, which I would not change, both Mercenary and MERCANARY corps cannot be trusted. If they were properly run they would just walk away with a solo corp's ISK.
àand never be trusted with any clients ever again. So no, if they're run properly, that's pretty much exactly what they won't do. They might turn you down for being such a small customer, though, but that's a different problem.
What you consider a problem of trust is more a problem of research.
Research only yields theories, no proofs. It is hard to believe that a merc corp crossing a solo corp that no one has ever joined nor ever heard of would get the sterling reputation all that tarnished. There is no game mechanism to enforce a player to behave in a proscribed way, nor should there be one. Eve is ruthless and should stay so. Ruthlessness is balanced in Hi-Sec, hence the term Concorded. I am not suggesting Concord come to the rescue, I suggest war dec's be balanced.
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Jokerface666
Amarr The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Tippia No, that's not the only choice.
In line:
A solo corp can rebase in a single trip, once per login ù 100-man corp cannot. <- holing up A solo corp can mothball and redeploy ù a 100-man corp cannot. <- holing up A solo corp can (as others have mentioned) suddenly become much larger, in more ways than oneà <-defeats being a solo corp
You might also want to consider why you're being targeted to begin with, and why you need that solo corp at all.
Simple you are in a hi-sec system that a large corp wants all the assets within
Moreover, you can turn the problem on its head: why shouldn't a corp be able to nuke some annoying little git who's been messing with its member, just because said git has a solo corp? Why should diminutiveness be a means of immunity?
Solo's are for mere survival non-PvP; if they mess with another corp's members they are marked for aggression and get just desserts
Quote: Due to the distrust basis built into the game, which I would not change, both Mercenary and MERCANARY corps cannot be trusted. If they were properly run they would just walk away with a solo corp's ISK.
àand never be trusted with any clients ever again. So no, if they're run properly, that's pretty much exactly what they won't do. They might turn you down for being such a small customer, though, but that's a different problem.
What you consider a problem of trust is more a problem of research.
Research only yields theories, no proofs. It is hard to believe that a merc corp crossing a solo corp that no one has ever joined nor ever heard of would get the sterling reputation all that tarnished. There is no game mechanism to enforce a player to behave in a proscribed way, nor should there be one. Eve is ruthless and should stay so. Ruthlessness is balanced in Hi-Sec, hence the term Concorded. I am not suggesting Concord come to the rescue, I suggest war dec's be balanced.
Why, the USA can wardec a small country like Serbia... why shouldit be diferent here? Get used to it, adapt, rage, do something and stop flaming around "this is not fair, i'm solo and so vulnerable...."
Why you do not join a 100 man corp? That would be the easiest solution...
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jokerface666
Why, the USA can wardec a small country like Serbia... why shouldit be diferent here? Get used to it, adapt, rage, do something and stop flaming around "this is not fair, i'm solo and so vulnerable...."
Why you do not join a 100 man corp? That would be the easiest solution...
The USA plays in 0.0 space.
Please do not put the word "fair" in my mouth, never used it and it is inappropriate in this context.
As I previously said, joining a 100 person corp defeats my play style of solo corp.
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