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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.04 15:45:00 -
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Kitsune. Its "arm" reminds me of the "the library" episode of Dr Who and creeps me out.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.02.04 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: ChromeStriker on 04/02/2011 16:02:07 worst ship? hmm.... if were going by looks- thrasher generally - freki ... cos i cant have one
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Bluejacket CT
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.02.04 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 04/02/2011 06:51:39
Originally by: The Djego
Would like to also include the ENI, never really useful, still some kind of fun back in the days as over sized 7km/s ranis with 600 DPS.
Its actually a great ship when fitted properly.
Seriously, with a 1600 plate and trimarks it is faster than a shield kite rupture while it sports more dps, better tank and full tackle.
Shield fit is increadibly fast with great tracking and damage too, nice fast gankboat.
Whats not to like? (Well, apart from the fact that its ugly. Really ugly.)
There is no properly fitting it, you're only encouraging CCP to make more 80 million isk ships that aren't half as good as their T1 counterpart.
Seriously, post your fit for an ENI with stats included and watch every PvPer in EVE pick it apart.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bluejacket CT
There is no properly fitting it, you're only encouraging CCP to make more 80 million isk ships that aren't half as good as their T1 counterpart.
Seriously, post your fit for an ENI with stats included and watch every PvPer in EVE pick it apart.
I fit mine like the Thorax, shield buffer + scram + ions, dual MFS+TE in lows. Outperforms its counterpart in every possible way (minus the ecm drones which is admittedly a big thing).
You can also go armor, again fit exactly like the Thorax, and still pull 2.4kms with decent agility (which is huge, given you get a lot more real applied damage and you dont get kited). Again outperformed in every possible way minus ecm drones.
Not sure if its really worth 80mill or if thats just market, I got mine gifted a while ago, still have large rigs on it.
Anyways, imo its the most useful of all the tier1 faction cruisers, Auguror Navy can be bait (and advertise it to everyone), Scythe and Osprey Navy are just plain thrash.
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Aznwithbeard
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:46:00 -
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breacher, burst, slasher, scythe, bellicose. Id also like to point out that only minmatar have TWO useless cruisers you cant use for pvp. (exequoror and osprey can at least be used as t1 variants for logi) and caldari have 4 cruisers that have some sort of usage. Guns don't kill people. onowait. |
Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:00:00 -
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Drake.
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Millie Clode
Amarr Insert Cool Name Here
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:25:00 -
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Frigs: Anything minmatar that isn't a rifter. Tristan. Just because. Merlin. Split weapon racks are incredibly annoying. EAFs other than the Sentinel. Especially the Hyena. Retribution. <3 not having the ability to chase down a target AND point it lol.
Also, Cormorant. Ugh.
Cruisers: All the t1 variants. There's just no excuse for it. Anything caldari except *maybe* the Cerberus. Legion. Aside from the LOL HAM versions, it's a bit crap. Vagabond. Outclassed by both the Fleet Stabber AND the Cynabal.It may as well not exist. Huginn. Same reason as the merlin.
BCs: Ferox. No, just no. Prophecy. See above. Both the Gallente ones. Cute numbers in EFT but thats about it.
Battleships: Hyperion. On the surface it seems like an amazing ship, but it's just meh once you fly it. Typhoon. More ******ed split weapon systems and split bonuses. Pick one or the other FFS. Apoc. OK I actually kinda like it, except it should be remodelled and have the underside put back in :P ---------- Who, me? |
tagen young
Caldari The Night Witch
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Posted - 2011.02.05 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: tagen young on 05/02/2011 19:04:09 As a Minmatar pilot
Worst - Hyena. Just cant make that baby work at all. Too big, Too slow, Too fragile. Horrible ship.
Slightly surprised by some of the nominations. Whatever people say the Bellicose is far from a bad ship and can be made to work well in both pvp and pve.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.06 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Target Painter on 06/02/2011 05:26:23
Originally by: Millie Clode
Legion. Aside from the LOL HAM versions, it's a bit crap. Vagabond. Outclassed by both the Fleet Stabber AND the Cynabal.It may as well not exist. Huginn. Same reason as the merlin.
Lolwut?
The Legion isn't nearly the upgrade other T3s are, but that doesn't make it bad, just a questionable investment.
The Vagabond is outclassed by the Cynabal for sure, but that's to make mission-running in Curse sufficiently lucrative. But the Stabber Fleet? The Vaga is faster and can put out more DPS from beyond web/scram range.
And the Huginn is awesome and it would still be awesome even if it didn't have turrets or launchers at all.
Agree with most of the rest.
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Meridith Akesia
Tempest Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.06 05:35:00 -
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****ing. Falcons.
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Radcjk
Failed Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.02.06 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Radcjk on 06/02/2011 05:41:26
Originally by: tagen young Edited by: tagen young on 05/02/2011 19:04:09 As a Minmatar pilot
Worst - Hyena. Just cant make that baby work at all. Too big, Too slow, Too fragile. Horrible ship.
Slightly surprised by some of the nominations. Whatever people say the Bellicose is far from a bad ship and can be made to work well in both pvp and pve.
Yeah, ya'll did get screwed with the Bellicose. Even the Celestis looks good compared to it.
For all the Moa love I'm too lazy to quote, I only have this: The day a Moa manages to solo me I may very well have to uninstall and repackage Eve, and return the box set to the retailer of purchase. The boat has almost no redeeming features as a Caldari ship, save for the fact that after years the finally gave it a fifth turret.
Uses hybrid weapons = Check. Shield boat with 4 Mid slots = Check Minimal drone bay = Check
The abundance of low slots (for a Caldari Cruiser) is nice, but it would only take one thing to make the boat marginally worth while. +1 Mid. (Oh, and fix hybrids)
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Bluejacket CT
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.02.06 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
I fit mine like the Thorax, shield buffer + scram + ions, dual MFS+TE in lows. Outperforms its counterpart in every possible way (minus the ecm drones which is admittedly a big thing).
You can also go armor, again fit exactly like the Thorax, and still pull 2.4kms with decent agility (which is huge, given you get a lot more real applied damage and you dont get kited). Again outperformed in every possible way minus ecm drones.
Not sure if its really worth 80mill or if thats just market, I got mine gifted a while ago, still have large rigs on it.
Anyways, imo its the most useful of all the tier1 faction cruisers, Auguror Navy can be bait (and advertise it to everyone), Scythe and Osprey Navy are just plain thrash.
Shield buffer ENIs fitted in the way you described have less dps and less tank than a Thorax fit in the exact same way. It doesn't have the nice MWD bonus that the thorax gets, and it is much more inflexible when it comes to drones (which is a big deal!) Is the marginal speed increase really work 80 million isk? Even if you think it is, you go that fast for absolutely no reason, you'll still DIAF when you actually get in range if you're solo, and if you're not solo you are dead from the get-go, because ENIs are a lol-primary. Even if the admittedly speedy ENI gets in range of almost anything, it will die 1v1 99% of the time. A competent frig pilot would be able to kill every drone it has (4 lights, lol) and wreck it, and nearly any other combat cruiser can break the 20k ehp tank. It can't kite, and it can't survive if it actually gets in range.
Bottomline: USELESS
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Tanaka Reina
Caldari Happy Penquins
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Posted - 2011.02.06 09:17:00 -
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Drake, how slow can a ship be? really?
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Basia Gornek
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Posted - 2011.02.06 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tanaka Reina Drake, how slow can a ship be? really?
I was jetcan mining in a cruiser this one time. Had a tractor fitted.
Some guy in a drake warped into the system, started to approach my jetcan... Can flipping in a drake eh?
So I set the tractor on the can and started to pull it away from him a little. Kept letting him get almost close enough, then yank it away from him a little further. Managed to keep this up for over 10 mins before he warped off. Was hilarious.
Yes drakes are slow, some pilots are also slow.
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ScooterPuff Sr
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Posted - 2011.02.22 17:09:00 -
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****ing falcons!
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bluejacket CT Bottomline: USELESS
Only because they gimped the drone bay. Can the guy who re-worked the Comet look into the ENI?
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.02.22 21:50:00 -
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Iteron I. In the time it takes to fly to Dodixie and fit one, you have finished training Gallente Industrial II and have outgrown it.
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Not a Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.23 00:23:00 -
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Drake
end of topic
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.02.23 15:48:00 -
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Osprey Navy Issue makes me cry. I cannot do anything useful with it. Just give me a Caracal or a Moa and I'd be just as happy.
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.02.23 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aznwithbeard breacher, burst, slasher, scythe, bellicose. Id also like to point out that only minmatar have TWO useless cruisers you cant use for pvp. (exequoror and osprey can at least be used as t1 variants for logi) and caldari have 4 cruisers that have some sort of usage.
i've known a guy who baits can flippers in a bellicose. he runs a mining laser and a mining drone while filling all other slots up with pure murder. he said that on average he gets 1.5 kills an hour, solo. i asked him what size kills he got and he started linking some of his kills on faction cruisers, battlecruisers, even an armageddon. only a few of these had his buddy's myrm on them, most of them were solo.
bellicose is the closest that any non pirate race gets to a shield tanked drone boat, making it a godsend for hulk specialists. myself included. it is my damage dealing ship of choice because i can fit my best shields on it and i can use 4 med drones. still a sad overall ship, but it does have a niche: bait.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.02.23 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Millie Clode Anything minmatar that isn't a rifter.
for combat, yes
for other stuff, check the probe's cargo bay and scanning bonsuses.
also, you forget the whole t2 set, which is overall awesome with the possible exception of the hyena.
my least favorite ship as far as appearances: close tie between typhoon and pheonix. the typhoon looks like a tipped trashcan and the pheonix is a box.
most useless ship: procurer. the only reason that they are even traded is for skiff bases. the mining frigates of each faction can mine as much, for less, with a better tank.
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Starlight Twilight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.23 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Starlight Twilight on 23/02/2011 20:52:32 omen (not enough powergrid to do ANYTHING with it) augoror (worthless) navy augoror (doesnt get same benefits as t1, therefore useless)
omen, I started PVE using the omen, there is no possible way to properly fit it and its usefulness is limited to something to self destruct even with perfect skills and a billion isk of implants and t2 rigs avalable
Star Light Star bright, The first star I see tonight, I wish I may, I wish I might, Have the wish I wish tonight. I wish for chocolate! |
GavinGoodrich
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.02.23 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel Iteron I. In the time it takes to fly to Dodixie and fit one, you have finished training Gallente Industrial II and have outgrown it.
Ooh good one.
I'll throw in with the Wreathe, Sigil, and Badger while we're at it. Skilling for the next one takes like an hour, and that's without having to do learning skills anymore \o |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.24 17:00:00 -
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Stabber.
I wasn't around for the "nano-age", came back to game just as it ended.
However the Stabber is without a shadow of a doubt the worst T1 cruiser in the game. The 5m3 drone bay is adding insult to injury
There is no good reason to fly it. None. Not for PvE or PvP. Its no use for heavy tackle (AFs do it better), it has no DPS worth speaking of, no real possibility of a tank - even if you pimp it. Its just utterly worthless - for any purpose at all*
May as well delete the Stabber. Its that bad.
*there is something that does it faster, cheaper and doesn't leave you feeling "oh crap I'm dead". Its called a Rupture and its better in every way.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.24 17:36:00 -
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eagle, sure you can snipe but unless your target is a shuttle or a pod it doesnt really care
How I'd Fix Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:19:00 -
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the Burst is a bust.
that ship sucks...need more cargo and an extra low. plus a 5m3 drone bay.
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Princess Pious
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Posted - 2011.02.25 02:32:00 -
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Most of the Gallente fleet are us ugly as sin, but whenever I see an Imicus I throw up a little bit in my mouth.
wtf is with the kick stand?
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.02.25 07:25:00 -
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Most galle ships. An improvement in rail performance will see me heading to jita to pick up a kronos. Oh wait! it's better to pick it up now while it's cheap.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.02.25 10:05:00 -
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Pilgrim -- only force recon that isn't better than its combat recon, and LOL painfully slim target selection of things it can kill.
I always secretly hope that a Pilgrim will uncloak next to me ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
tankarmor
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Radcjk Most of the t1 Caldari gunboats. Moa, Specifically.
Moa, +1
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