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Raven Tempestas
Gallente Church of Necessary Evil
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Posted - 2011.02.04 14:07:00 -
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The last time I heard of this debate was around summertime, and I am wondering if any information gurus have got any insight about whether this feature shall be coming around the corner? I.e will the pilots who invest money into the game or have accumulated a small capital be given the opportunity to have a Remap more then once a year any time soon?
Sincerely yours,
Raven
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.02.04 14:13:00 -
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There was a huge uproar so CCP postponed it (perhaps indefinitely, perhaps to sneak it in later).
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.02.04 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 04/02/2011 14:18:45
"huge uproar" well most of the CSM was against it, not sure if everyone was actually so strongly opposed.
That's what you get with a forum without polls: those who scream loudest seem to be the majority. You saw that with the removal of learning skills; where the forums seem to indicate that the opposers and pro-removal people were pretty close, it appeared that 85% was actually pro removal! ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread - |
LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.02.04 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Cameron "huge uproar" well most of the CSM was against it, not sure if everyone was actually so strongly opposed.
CSM are elected, so should represent player opinion fairly well.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.04 17:42:00 -
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It made one of the oldest, most devoted members of the game and CSM quit. It would make whoever has the most $ win EVE. The original dev quote was that it was an idea. CSM rebelled, the players rebelled, the idea died stillborn, and deservedly so. CCP has stated "vanity items only" though don't be surprised if they go back on their word eventually (as they have in the past) but if they do so any time soon, the players will not tolerate it.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin It would make whoever has the most $ win EVE.
that is such an overstatement... if anything converting $ -> isk via gtc/plex trade is worse than remapping for plex.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: mkmin It would make whoever has the most $ win EVE.
that is such an overstatement... if anything converting $ -> isk via gtc/plex trade is worse than remapping for plex.
Except plex -> isk conversion rates are decided by players. Plex -> remap gives an entirely firm $ value to a remap. But in any case, not my decision, but I support it. Plex for remap is a bad idea, and is begging for more bad ideas to follow it. It's just 1 philosophical step for doing plex for SP reimbursements.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.04 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cathy Drall on 04/02/2011 23:11:27
Originally by: mkmin Except plex -> isk conversion rates are decided by players. Plex -> remap gives an entirely firm $ value to a remap. But in any case, not my decision, but I support it. Plex for remap is a bad idea, and is begging for more bad ideas to follow it. It's just 1 philosophical step for doing plex for SP reimbursements.
Wel what "It would make whoever has the most $ win EVE" is concerned: perhaps it's just me but I always thought that buying a 80 million SP character for ISK for PLEX for IRL money within a few hours was far more severe than training 10% a year faster with an extra remap.
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Flair Tachyon
Amarr Hollywood Minerals Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.05 20:21:00 -
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That may well be.
However both the plex -> ISK and the ISK -> Caracter are valued/limited by the playerbase. At any one time there is a limit on how many plex you can sell at what price and how many/what characters you can purchase.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.06 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cathy Drall on 06/02/2011 11:03:52
Originally by: Flair Tachyon That may well be.
However both the plex -> ISK and the ISK -> Caracter are valued/limited by the playerbase. At any one time there is a limit on how many plex you can sell at what price and how many/what characters you can purchase.
Limited or not, it is possible to instantly get 80 million SP for RL money. I still think that's far more severe than 10% extra SP, which is perhaps 0.2 million SP a month.
If there's one thing that proves that "whoever has the most $ win EVE" it's that, not remapping for plex. The fact that it's a supply/demand things doesn't change that, it's not an excuse that makes everything acceptable.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.06 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cathy Drall Edited by: Cathy Drall on 06/02/2011 11:03:52
Originally by: Flair Tachyon That may well be.
However both the plex -> ISK and the ISK -> Caracter are valued/limited by the playerbase. At any one time there is a limit on how many plex you can sell at what price and how many/what characters you can purchase.
Limited or not, it is possible to instantly get 80 million SP for RL money. I still think that's far more severe than 10% extra SP, which is perhaps 0.2 million SP a month.
If there's one thing that proves that "whoever has the most $ win EVE" it's that, not remapping for plex. The fact that it's a supply/demand things doesn't change that, it's not an excuse that makes everything acceptable.
You missed the part where CCP said "we are only doing microtransactions for vanity items only" after massive threadnaugts and forum raging and CSM ragequitting over PLEX for remap. CSM pointed out the flaws with it, and CCP agreed. Get over it.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.06 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Tempestas The last time I heard of this debate was around summertime, and I am wondering if any information gurus have got any insight about whether this feature shall be coming around the corner? I.e will the pilots who invest money into the game or have accumulated a small capital be given the opportunity to have a Remap more then once a year any time soon?
Sincerely yours,
Raven
CCP decided against implementing that idea.
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Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
You missed the part where CCP said "we are only doing microtransactions for vanity items only" after massive threadnaugts and forum raging and CSM ragequitting over PLEX for remap. CSM pointed out the flaws with it, and CCP agreed. Get over it.
I think you need to read their posts again. They were never under it. __________________________________________________ Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Cathy Drall on 06/02/2011 20:42:56
Originally by: mkmin You missed the part where CCP said "we are only doing microtransactions for vanity items only" after massive threadnaugts and forum raging and CSM ragequitting over PLEX for remap. CSM pointed out the flaws with it, and CCP agreed. Get over it.
I don't disagree with it. I just don't like flawed arguments.
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