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Jane Starscream
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Posted - 2011.02.06 09:12:00 -
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I've been running a Machariel for missions for a few weeks now, using an active shield tank with great results. Was just playing around with my loadout in EFT and thought I'd see if a passive shield tank was in any way possible.
The passive shield version I came up with sacrifices some speed and has a significantly larger signature radius. However, it does have some strengths. First, the DPS is identical. Second, it's stable since it's a passive tank. And finally, the tank is far stronger (not taking into account the increased signature radius and decreased speed).
As I'm away from my EVE computer for a while, and unable to put this to the test, I'm curious to know if anybody uses a passive setup for the Mach and how well it works. Is the decrease in speed and increase in signature radius going to negate the increase in the tank?
Thanks in advance for your inputs. Loadouts are as follows:
[Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Overdrive Injector System II
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Valkyrie II x5
[Machariel, New Setup 1 copy 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Valkyrie II x5
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.02.06 09:17:00 -
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No, stick to an active tank, and you need to have 4x Gyro and 3x Tracking enhancers in your lows. The more you gank, the more ISK you make and it actually helps your tank as you reduce the amount of damage incoming to you.
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Cygnus Zhada
Custodians of Athra
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Posted - 2011.02.06 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 06/02/2011 09:30:30 Don't waste slots on trying to be cap stable because it's not needed and lowers the ship's potential. Just gank your way out of trouble. You will have to learn how cap/shield recharge actually works though.
[Machariel, LVL 4] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
100MN Afterburner II Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L Small Tractor Beam I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I [empty rig slot]
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Gzilinanrt
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Posted - 2011.02.06 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Starscream not taking into account the increased signature radius and decreased speed
Yes, lets ignore the reasons why it doesnt work so we can pretend it does. Thats how great ideas are formed! |
NoNah
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Posted - 2011.02.06 12:03:00 -
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Cap booster. Parrots, commence!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.02.06 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
I'd just swap that for something else, I'm leaning to a low friction nozzle joint rig.
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Salvia Olima
The All-Seeing Eye Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.02.06 18:33:00 -
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Passive for PvP with logi support, active for PVE IMHO.
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Jane Starscream
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gzilinanrt
Originally by: Jane Starscream not taking into account the increased signature radius and decreased speed
Yes, lets ignore the reasons why it doesnt work so we can pretend it does. Thats how great ideas are formed!
When you can learn to read and pay attention is when you can get sarcastic, Okay? I in fact was not ignoring as you say. To make it clear to you, here again is my final question and the point of my entire post as I wrote in the original:
Is the decrease in speed and increase in signature radius going to negate the increase in the tank?
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Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Starscream Is the decrease in speed and increase in signature radius going to negate the increase in the tank?
probably yes. I haven't run both so I can only give you a probably .. also: some damage rigs instead of 3 cap rigs try to go with the 4 Gyros 3 TE config
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Mister Normal
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Posted - 2011.02.06 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Normal on 06/02/2011 22:00:10 [Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Damage Control II
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Large Projectile Ambit Extension I Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Ogre II x4 Warrior II x5
The point of the mach is to keep out of range of the rats guns while you kill them
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.02.07 00:49:00 -
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Boohoo! A friend of mine actually uses a passive mach but fitted with extenders to run plexes in null space. He also claims to have solod a 10/10 in one.
My mach fit has 3 semiconductor rigs. A damage or ROF rig doesn't do much after you've inserted 4 gyros. What you want is an X-large shield booster, boost amp to free up cap, 2 invuls or one invul one specific and a sexy afterburner like a core x or a-type. Fit your lows with 4 gyros and 3 tracking enhancers. VOLLA! You have a mach that can run all active mods for 2mins to 6mins depending on the kind of X-large shield booster and AB you use.
FINAL NOTE: AB IS A MUST!
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Mister Normal
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Posted - 2011.02.07 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: freshspree Boohoo! A friend of mine actually uses a passive mach but fitted with extenders to run plexes in null space. He also claims to have solod a 10/10 in one.
My mach fit has 3 semiconductor rigs. A damage or ROF rig doesn't do much after you've inserted 4 gyros. What you want is an X-large shield booster, boost amp to free up cap, 2 invuls or one invul one specific and a sexy afterburner like a core x or a-type. Fit your lows with 4 gyros and 3 tracking enhancers. VOLLA! You have a mach that can run all active mods for 2mins to 6mins depending on the kind of X-large shield booster and AB you use.
FINAL NOTE: AB IS A MUST!
Indeed. And i think a Mach could certainly do a plex fairly well, as it's huge fall off and good speed allow it to 'tank by keeping out of range' of the rats easily.
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