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Suitonia
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.25 02:09:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Suitonia wrote:XxRTEKxX wrote:FOF Missiles work if you have them skilled and get close enough to the ecm ship so that those missiles engage that ship. Works in Serpentis missions when damped to hell and Guristas missions when perma-jammed.
"empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. Be water my friend" -Bruce Lee Well here's the thing. They may well work in missions. This is not a discussion about PVE. There are not many PVP ships which can even use F.O.F missiles and be effective at driving off a Falcon/Rook. You need enough damage to get it off the field in about 30 seconds or less, which is still a massive waste of your DPS. What PvP ships ingame are viable to do this. Sorry, but you're wrong. As soon as you go flashy red to a Falcon, they will warp off, because they can't risk taking much damage. The purpose of a Falcon's tank is to give them time to leave the fight when they get targetted, not to allow them to stay around during the fight. As I said earlier, drones and FOF counter ECM by making them warp off, which then makes the Falcon as effective as the mothership in your POS 24 jumps away. i.e. If it's not there, it isn't any use.
Well, Drones and FOF determine how long it takes for the Falcon to warp off. the standard run of the mill 1600 plate Falcon can take about 20-30 seconds of sustained F.O.Fing from a Drake/Tengu before being at a dangerous point where they have to leave the field. Bearing in mind thats if the F.O.Fs are hitting the Falcon, or if Drones are on the Falcon and the Falcon is in drone control range; 57,000m for most pilots. A 1600m Falcon can have a set of medium drones (Valkries, the worst kind for falcon resists) on it for more than a minute before it has to leave.
I am not saying it doesn't have the potential to make a Falcon warp off.
I am saying that FOFs and Drones are not very effective counters because there are too many variables in real world fights that makes them a reliable counter, unbonused drones don't do enough DPS, on their own to force it off in a reasonable timeframe. FOFs are more or less only going to be worthwhile from Drake/Tengu/Nighthawk in terms of DPS output enough to get a Falcon off the field in a decent timeframe.
I'd also like to point out that FOFs are broken as hell and will shoot drones 0m from you, fleet members and a variety of other things. It's really fun getting Falcon'd on a gate and your FOF missiles shoot the rats instead...
ECCM and ECM are the much more reliable and affordable alternatives. Don't buy into EFT armchair generals and Falcon Apologists who say otherwise. Given the choice between having F.O.Fs and an ECCM module I'll take the ECCM module.
I really don't know why I am arguing with a collection of alts with 0 kills and 0 losses. |
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
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Posted - 2012.08.25 02:57:00 -
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That's why I suspended my second account. ECM is too sucky in small solo pew pew. But Iwill wait few years |
Jaison Savrin
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
32
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Posted - 2012.08.25 03:49:00 -
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ECM is an annoying mechanic. Like being stun locked in any game ever with a rogue class.
Is it game breaking? No, not for me.
Would I care if it were removed? Not particularly.
Do I care if other people care if it is removed? Not at all.
I think mechanics that take control away from a player are just frustrating. I.E. Stun-Locks or Perma-Jams. However I understand its purpose and have been known to fly a Scorpion on rare occasions. Still, I think if the mechanic were removed entirely the level of frustration some people experience in some situations would dissipate. My idea of PvP, on rare occasions when I give it a try, is basically just brawling and seeing who hits harder or (more my preference) supplying my allies with remote reps from my Guardian. |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
532
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Posted - 2012.08.25 06:12:00 -
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*Throws a bunch of smartbombs on the floor* *Points at the Falcon* "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
770
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Posted - 2012.08.25 06:45:00 -
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Suitonia wrote:
I really don't know why I am arguing with a collection of alts with 0 kills and 0 losses.
Since when does CVA have anything of relevance to add to the game or discussions about the game? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Katalci
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.08.25 10:31:00 -
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ECM is fine; it's just that damps are bad and you're dumb as a brick for thinking ECM should be that bad. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.25 10:35:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Suitonia wrote:
I really don't know why I am arguing with a collection of alts with 0 kills and 0 losses.
Since when does CVA have anything of relevance to add to the game or discussions about the game?
(he's actually in hydra) "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Diesel47
Painkiller.
181
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Posted - 2012.08.25 12:16:00 -
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This is like the "I'm too lazy to probe so I want OGBs gone." Thread.
Never changes. |
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